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Thu Jun 30, 2016, 06:40 PM

Paul Ryan Shows That He Is Completely Terrified Of House Democratic Gun Protests

PoliticusUSA, Jason Easley

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Republicans need to stop playing games because the American people arenít stupid. Democrats arenít going to stop their protests because he allowed a vote on a bill that was written by the gun lobby.

Speaker Ryan saw how effective the Democratic sit-in was, and he is absolutely terrified that Democrats are going to come back next week and shut down the House with another protest. Republicans know that they are defying the majority of public opinion on guns, so Ryan is setting up a show vote in an attempt to win the PR war.

The bad news for Ryan is that Democrats have already won, and they are not going to be satisfied with a vote on a bill that addresses none of the concerns of the American people.

It looks Speaker Ryan is shaking in shoes because Democrats are set to rock the House with more civil disobedience.

Read it all at: http://www.politicususa.com/2016/06/30/paul-ryan-shows-completely-terrified-house-democratic-gun-protests.html

Let your Reps and Senators know we stand with the Democrats in the House and the Senate!

Let Speaker Ryan know!

We got to make them fix this! "No fly, no buy"!

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Reply Paul Ryan Shows That He Is Completely Terrified Of House Democratic Gun Protests (Original post)
yallerdawg Jun 2016 OP
ZombieHorde Jun 2016 #1
yallerdawg Jun 2016 #2
hack89 Jun 2016 #3
yallerdawg Jun 2016 #5
hack89 Jun 2016 #9
yallerdawg Jun 2016 #10
hack89 Jun 2016 #12
yallerdawg Jun 2016 #13
TeddyR Jun 2016 #14
yallerdawg Jun 2016 #15
hack89 Jun 2016 #16
yallerdawg Jun 2016 #18
hack89 Jun 2016 #20
yallerdawg Jun 2016 #22
hack89 Jun 2016 #23
yallerdawg Jun 2016 #24
hack89 Jun 2016 #25
yallerdawg Jun 2016 #26
hack89 Jun 2016 #27
ZombieHorde Jun 2016 #6
drray23 Jun 2016 #4
yallerdawg Jun 2016 #7
drray23 Jun 2016 #8
yallerdawg Jun 2016 #11
Cha Jun 2016 #17
yallerdawg Jun 2016 #19
Cha Jun 2016 #21

Response to yallerdawg (Original post)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 06:50 PM

1. Am I the only one here that isn't comfortable with

denying rights to people because they're on a secret list? How is this not guilty until proven innocent?

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Response to ZombieHorde (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 06:57 PM

2. Gee - that's exactly what Paul Ryan says.

We can fix 'no fly' lists and 'probable cause' and 'due process.'

We can't fix dead.

Known and suspected terrorists on these lists can go into a gun shop and legally deprive us of our right to live - this is the right they cannot be denied?

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 07:09 PM

3. So we can trust the FBI, CIA and NSA to respect our rights now?

Ok. In that case let's suspend the rest of the Constitution so they can make us really safe.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #3)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 07:14 PM

5. You don't trust the government...

to get anything right.

Interesting political philosophy - not shared by the Democratic party, though.

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #5)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 07:35 PM

9. Ask Snowden, Assange and Manning

How much blind trust we should give America's military and intelligence agencies .

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Response to hack89 (Reply #9)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 07:41 PM

10. I'd rather ask the victims at the World Trade Center...

the Pentagon, the Pulse, and so many others.

We can fix "the right to fly," we can fix the "right to buy a gun/guns" - we can't fix the innocent dead.

The agencies and the lists have oversight - they can have more oversight.

But if your standard is the crime comes first - well, isn't that called anarchy?

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #10)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 07:58 PM

12. My standard is due process

My standard is that it should be really hard to lose civil rights. Does that offend you?

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Response to hack89 (Reply #12)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 08:37 PM

13. Paul Ryan, the Republicans, and the NRA...

all understand a 'due process' standard to mean a criminal prosecution standard.

Our terrorist lists include names from all over the world, non-citizens of US. Are they entitled to 'due process' or is 'suspected' a high enough standard?

If a US citizen shares that same name - we are talking hundreds of thousands around the world - does that require removal of the name, or just a way for the US citizen to clear his or her name?

The 'no fly list' is often identified as including US citizens at around 500. Should no citizens be 'inconvenienced' in the most difficult possibility of saving US lives from potential terrorists - who are demonstrably here?



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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #13)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 08:38 PM

14. Japanese internment camps

 

Same concept as no fly lists. You ok with the internment camps?

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Response to TeddyR (Reply #14)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 08:41 PM

15. FDR was.

We paid restitution.

We fixed it.

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #13)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 08:45 PM

16. US citizens must have due process

They need to know why they are on the list, have access to the evidence against them and they must have the ability to go before a judge to challenge being put on the list.

That is how it is suppose to work in America . We don't let the government take away civil rights without due pproces .

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Response to hack89 (Reply #16)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 08:55 PM

18. You argue this to sell guns!

Astounding!

We have prisons and jails full of US citizens from one end of the country to the other who never had due process!

But suspected terrorists? Here's where we draw the line?

Come on - common sense. If you are on the No Fly list, you can't board a commercial plane, you can't leave the airport and head to the gun shop to legally buy a gun. Freakin' common sense.

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #18)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 09:04 PM

20. So you can be put in prison without going into a court of law?

Really?

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Response to hack89 (Reply #20)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 09:22 PM

22. Oh, yeah!

Called 'plea bargain.' Where is that in the constitution?

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #22)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 09:29 PM

23. Plea bargain are voluntary and must be approved by a judge

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That is due process.

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Response to hack89 (Reply #23)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 09:55 PM

24. Alright!

Getting on a "No fly list" or "terrorist watch list" is due process - since you're advocating skirting around Constitutional due process wih 'plea bargain' (it's voluntary? ) - and if you've lost your Constitutional right to 'fly' no real stretch to lose right to 'buy gun.'

Now - you do understand that the proposed legislation in the Senate and what could end up in the House does propose timely due process appeals for the individual, 14 days in Senate compromise amendment.

We can fix this.

Don't you want to fix this?


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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #24)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 10:03 PM

25. "Approved by a judge"

Why do you keep ignoring that?

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Response to hack89 (Reply #25)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 10:14 PM

26. The Senate proposal specifies judicial review.

Due process principles require that Americans denied their right to purchase a firearm under this provision have the opportunity to appeal this denial to a federal court.

https://www.collins.senate.gov/sites/default/files/Terrorist%20Firearms%20Prevention%20Act%20of%202016.pdf

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #26)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 10:22 PM

27. That's fine

Due process is good.

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 07:22 PM

6. I'm glad at least one other person likes

innocent until proven guilty.

People can't legally deprive you of your right to live, unless, of course, they have a magic badge. Murder is still illegal.

In my opinion, no one should be deprived of any legal activity, including flying and buying firearms, without some public oversight.

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Response to yallerdawg (Original post)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 07:12 PM

4. i suspect the bill he is going to put on the floor

will be loaded with a bunch of bullshit that democrats wont be able to vote for.

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Response to drray23 (Reply #4)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 07:30 PM

7. It has been pointed out...

Ryan could put the most liberal Democratic proposals up for vote and the House Republicans will simply vote it down with the majority vote.

There is compromise - and common sense.

Background checks for all gun transactions - shops, shows, internet.

For 'no fly' lists and expanded terrorist lists, have 'probable cause/due process' standard for legal residents of US who are afforded Constitutional rights by law. And budget for it!

They could do all this now - in both the House and the Senate.

There is no question the vast majority of Americans support these minimal gun safety proposals!

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #7)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 07:33 PM

8. I wish congress would act like adults and do that.

However I fear its more likely they will add things completely unrelated to gun control like defunding planed parenthood or the like..

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Response to drray23 (Reply #8)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 07:52 PM

11. I'm emailing Speaker Ryan.

His office actually emails back! It's generic response, but my emails are getting there!

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Response to yallerdawg (Original post)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 08:51 PM

17. Thanks yallerdawg!

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Response to Cha (Reply #17)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 08:58 PM

19. After the Fourth of July break...

that's when the fire works start!

"Enough!"

Thank you, Cha!

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #19)

Thu Jun 30, 2016, 09:18 PM

21. Won't be long now!

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