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busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 09:08 PM Jul 2016

Help me guys..

Someone please explain the benefits of the TPP.. Especially since we have such low export numbers...I don’t see in the immediate future any hope for improving on this situation..

IMO... Hillary needs to dump this idea very quickly and emphatically.. Unions and labor are attracted to Trumps anti-TPP Stance..... Fucking very dangerous..

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Help me guys.. (Original Post) busterbrown Jul 2016 OP
it cuts the taxes on things we export RazBerryBeret Jul 2016 #1
Thanks..but busterbrown Jul 2016 #2
agreed... RazBerryBeret Jul 2016 #3
That is bad policy, unsustainable. Alex4Martinez Jul 2016 #6
yes... I believe the history RazBerryBeret Jul 2016 #7
Isolationism is worse. And wrong. And shortsighted. And will solve nothing. BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #10
Prove that treestar Jul 2016 #9
opens markets they say BlueStateLib Jul 2016 #4
The Democrats are in a really tricky spot with TPP lapucelle Jul 2016 #5
Hmm, who to believe here? The highly-educated and respected President, or some internet randos? BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #11
that would take a lot of reading treestar Jul 2016 #8
Re: Especially since we have such low export numbers SFnomad Jul 2016 #12
We export trillions in goods every year... JaneyVee Jul 2016 #13

busterbrown

(8,515 posts)
2. Thanks..but
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 09:19 PM
Jul 2016

We don’t export much anymore..and I’d rather make sure Trump has no ammunition against Hillary..

RazBerryBeret

(3,075 posts)
3. agreed...
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 09:25 PM
Jul 2016

But i believe the strategy is that we don't export very much because our exports are taxed so much... i think the article said the wine we export to Japan is taxed over 80%, which makes it incredibly expensive, so it doesn't sell well. (can you imagine and 80% tax on California wine?)....
so by cutting the taxes, more people would buy the cheaper goods and we would then increase our exports, selling more and creating more jobs.

Alex4Martinez

(2,193 posts)
6. That is bad policy, unsustainable.
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 10:10 AM
Jul 2016

Global trade is by and large a loser. The fossil fuels required to ship crap all over this planet is just not the right thing to do.

Those imaginary jobs aren't worth it. The idea that cheaper goods means more sales so lets do it is Walmart shit that kills the planet.

RazBerryBeret

(3,075 posts)
7. yes... I believe the history
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 10:16 AM
Jul 2016

of these trade policies completely proves it is not a good move.
and I think most people (especially the workers) realize this, feel like they've heard it before and know that it won't work. that's why most of us are against it.

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
10. Isolationism is worse. And wrong. And shortsighted. And will solve nothing.
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 10:25 AM
Jul 2016

Like it or not, the world is more connected now than ever. And if that's not your thing, fine, but stop expecting the world to stick its head in the sand along with you.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
9. Prove that
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 10:22 AM
Jul 2016

We don't export much?

That may or may not be true, but why should that statement stand as true without support?

lapucelle

(18,190 posts)
5. The Democrats are in a really tricky spot with TPP
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 09:29 PM
Jul 2016

because the Democratic president (who is still in office the and the de facto head of the party) is lobbying hard for it.

Obama should do the right thing and withdraw his support.

http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/why-does-obama-want-the-trans-pacific-partnership-so-badly

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
11. Hmm, who to believe here? The highly-educated and respected President, or some internet randos?
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 10:28 AM
Jul 2016

Decisions, decisions............

treestar

(82,383 posts)
8. that would take a lot of reading
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 10:21 AM
Jul 2016

and it seems no one on DU is willing to do it. Using it to undermine the Democrats is all the play it gets here. Those using it do not really understand it but repeat their slogans about it without bothering to prove their assertions.

In global trade, it is going to be a good thing to negotiate rules with the other countries. Contrary to popular belief in the US, we do not have jurisdiction over the entire world.

 

SFnomad

(3,473 posts)
12. Re: Especially since we have such low export numbers
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 10:51 AM
Jul 2016

What do you mean? The United States is the world's 2nd largest exporter with about $1.6T in exports annually. Only China exports more goods. There is nothing "low" about our numbers.

Now, we import far more than we export and are the world's largest importer ... giving us the largest trade imbalance of any country.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
13. We export trillions in goods every year...
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 11:20 AM
Jul 2016

Lowering the taxes on exported goods would increase sales, leading to more manufacturing jobs here in America.

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