2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumTo those unsatisfied with the Draft Platform, what do you imagine will happen now?
Hillary Clinton will cave to the pressure of protestors outside the area?
Hillary Clinton will agree to more concessions in exchange for a Sanders endorsement?
Bernie Sanders' delegates will convince Clinton delegates to amend the platform?
Or, Hillary Clinton has a majority on the Platform Committee and a majority in the arena and will pass the Platform as written?
TheFarseer
(9,322 posts)What protesters or sanders thinks.
pkdu
(3,977 posts)neither should she.
Losers got their pound of flesh
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)...
SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)If we're getting tired of his antics on DU, the people voting in Philly are not going to be receptive to a Sander's floor fight at. all.
It should be an interesting convention to say the least. I don't think the Clinton campaign or the DNC will roll over because of a public spectacle.
oasis
(49,376 posts)TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Remember what Susan S said? " Trump will bring on the revolition." Bernie will run 3rd party even if he can not get in all states and even if he knows he cannot win. He is willing to sacrtafice decades of a conservative scotus for his revolution. Bernie knows he does not have the Obama coalition and won't win but as long as his revolution continues he doesn't care.
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)He now considers himself too big a fish to swim in such a small pond.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)First vote, after the convention she will be running hard to defeat Trump. The thought of a Trump presidency should result in a strong campaign to defeat Trump.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)that Hillary doesn't want in the platform.
She may allow the appearance that Sanders won platform victories, but that's all it will be.
Sid
Chan790
(20,176 posts)Do we like it? Not really. Are we going to push legislators to go further then this? Yes. Are we going to use what we didn't get to hammer more concessions out of Hillary in 4 years? Yes. Are we going to force what we didn't get out of her eventually? Damned skippy. She's going to reap the whirlwind if she tries to move to the center one iota. Her own supporters aren't going to allow it.
We're the ascendant power in this party. Even when I go out and talk to ardent Hillary supporters, I hear that they liked Clinton better, but they wish she'd adopt more of what Sanders was talking about--that he wasn't wrong, but that she's their candidate for myriad reasons...almost none of which are her policy positions.
This is a fight that is hardly over...8 years of Clinton is going to be 8 years of her being constantly shoved to the left, both by the general tidal-change of the party and because the activist-progressive-left has found its voice and now knows they can force her to move...over and over and over; that she has to live in mortal fear of being passed in the race away from the center not by the voter-base but by the establishment and by the elected officials of her own party.
For those unsatified with winning...we're going to have to get comfortable with incremental wins, because we are incrementally winning within the party. We just didn't get the big KO of Clintonism we were hoping for.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)I am well-aware of politics being the art of the possible...you've merely confused what we're willing to accept out of our own party in terms of initiatives.
The days of Democrats giving away half the cake by staking out a moderate position before negotiations start then compromising well into conservative territory are at an end. You want progressives to go along with Clintonian compromises, learn to stake out hard economic positions that you're willing to walk away from negotiations rather than compromise on.
Even if I was delusional and thought the presidency involves magic wands...it would beat the bloody hell out of being a defeatist who wants to start from the middle or slightly left of the middle and give away everything to get any deal they could, no matter how conservative-slanted that deal may be.
We're going to never stop pushing Democrats to the left again...we'd rather lose all the shitty center-rightists seeking refuge from the GOP that have joined our tent than cease to be Democrats to placate them and neoliberals.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)light. The platform process was ground zero in gaining Party support for LGBT issues and rights and continues to be a very important device for progress. Going back just to 1992 and looking at our process and how those first favorable words were included and how Bill Clinton came to speak words of inclusion in his acceptance speech demonstrates a great deal about what can be done during the platform process and at the convention. The same tactics were in play in 2008 and in 2012. We had to exert pressure simply to get the Party to support outreach to LGBT voters to act as delegates, I will not mention the names of those who had to be forced to stop blocking such outreach but they are still in the Party and still trying to push LGBT out of the Party.
Platform is hardball and it's where many important victories are won and others are set up for the win. There will always be people complaining about the fact that activists have objectives in that process, and history tells us those complainers have been loudly opposed to such things as expanding the inclusive nature of our delegation, to expanding the civil rights of Americans so the complainers can't be presented as righteous as their objectives are often regressive and protectionist.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)PowerToThePeople
(9,610 posts)to stand up for what we believe, and to stand against that which we don't.
These acts will not always have the immediate effects you desire.
Don't give up! Don't give in!