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brooklynite

(94,503 posts)
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 12:01 AM Jul 2016

To those unsatisfied with the Draft Platform, what do you imagine will happen now?

Hillary Clinton will cave to the pressure of protestors outside the area?

Hillary Clinton will agree to more concessions in exchange for a Sanders endorsement?

Bernie Sanders' delegates will convince Clinton delegates to amend the platform?

Or, Hillary Clinton has a majority on the Platform Committee and a majority in the arena and will pass the Platform as written?

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To those unsatisfied with the Draft Platform, what do you imagine will happen now? (Original Post) brooklynite Jul 2016 OP
Hillary will not care TheFarseer Jul 2016 #1
At this point.. pkdu Jul 2016 #3
I do not have to imagine - I know what will happen now SoLeftIAmRight Jul 2016 #2
Given that delegates tend to be diehards on both sides... SaschaHM Jul 2016 #4
I know for sure what I would tell him. oasis Jul 2016 #5
Nothing-- because no one cares about the platform. TreasonousBastard Jul 2016 #6
He is buying time.. fun n serious Jul 2016 #7
Bernie will never run third party. NanceGreggs Jul 2016 #8
The convention will go on, Hillary will be the nominee, she will be the conclusive winner on the Thinkingabout Jul 2016 #9
There will be nothing in the platform... SidDithers Jul 2016 #10
Progress. Chan790 Jul 2016 #11
Another poster who thinks the presidency involves magic wands... JaneyVee Jul 2016 #12
No. Chan790 Jul 2016 #13
you and I have inherent differences which cause me to view the platform process in a more activist Bluenorthwest Jul 2016 #14
The party platform is not binding on the candidate, so I suspect she doesn't really care. -nt- NorthCarolina Jul 2016 #15
The point is PowerToThePeople Jul 2016 #16

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
4. Given that delegates tend to be diehards on both sides...
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 12:42 AM
Jul 2016

If we're getting tired of his antics on DU, the people voting in Philly are not going to be receptive to a Sander's floor fight at. all.

It should be an interesting convention to say the least. I don't think the Clinton campaign or the DNC will roll over because of a public spectacle.

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
7. He is buying time..
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 02:38 AM
Jul 2016

Remember what Susan S said? " Trump will bring on the revolition." Bernie will run 3rd party even if he can not get in all states and even if he knows he cannot win. He is willing to sacrtafice decades of a conservative scotus for his revolution. Bernie knows he does not have the Obama coalition and won't win but as long as his revolution continues he doesn't care.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
8. Bernie will never run third party.
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 02:51 AM
Jul 2016

He now considers himself too big a fish to swim in such a small pond.


Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
9. The convention will go on, Hillary will be the nominee, she will be the conclusive winner on the
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 06:25 AM
Jul 2016

First vote, after the convention she will be running hard to defeat Trump. The thought of a Trump presidency should result in a strong campaign to defeat Trump.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
10. There will be nothing in the platform...
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 07:11 AM
Jul 2016

that Hillary doesn't want in the platform.

She may allow the appearance that Sanders won platform victories, but that's all it will be.

Sid

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
11. Progress.
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 07:45 AM
Jul 2016

Do we like it? Not really. Are we going to push legislators to go further then this? Yes. Are we going to use what we didn't get to hammer more concessions out of Hillary in 4 years? Yes. Are we going to force what we didn't get out of her eventually? Damned skippy. She's going to reap the whirlwind if she tries to move to the center one iota. Her own supporters aren't going to allow it.

We're the ascendant power in this party. Even when I go out and talk to ardent Hillary supporters, I hear that they liked Clinton better, but they wish she'd adopt more of what Sanders was talking about--that he wasn't wrong, but that she's their candidate for myriad reasons...almost none of which are her policy positions.

This is a fight that is hardly over...8 years of Clinton is going to be 8 years of her being constantly shoved to the left, both by the general tidal-change of the party and because the activist-progressive-left has found its voice and now knows they can force her to move...over and over and over; that she has to live in mortal fear of being passed in the race away from the center not by the voter-base but by the establishment and by the elected officials of her own party.

For those unsatified with winning...we're going to have to get comfortable with incremental wins, because we are incrementally winning within the party. We just didn't get the big KO of Clintonism we were hoping for.

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
13. No.
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 08:13 AM
Jul 2016

I am well-aware of politics being the art of the possible...you've merely confused what we're willing to accept out of our own party in terms of initiatives.

The days of Democrats giving away half the cake by staking out a moderate position before negotiations start then compromising well into conservative territory are at an end. You want progressives to go along with Clintonian compromises, learn to stake out hard economic positions that you're willing to walk away from negotiations rather than compromise on.
Even if I was delusional and thought the presidency involves magic wands...it would beat the bloody hell out of being a defeatist who wants to start from the middle or slightly left of the middle and give away everything to get any deal they could, no matter how conservative-slanted that deal may be.

We're going to never stop pushing Democrats to the left again...we'd rather lose all the shitty center-rightists seeking refuge from the GOP that have joined our tent than cease to be Democrats to placate them and neoliberals.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
14. you and I have inherent differences which cause me to view the platform process in a more activist
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 09:19 AM
Jul 2016

light. The platform process was ground zero in gaining Party support for LGBT issues and rights and continues to be a very important device for progress. Going back just to 1992 and looking at our process and how those first favorable words were included and how Bill Clinton came to speak words of inclusion in his acceptance speech demonstrates a great deal about what can be done during the platform process and at the convention. The same tactics were in play in 2008 and in 2012. We had to exert pressure simply to get the Party to support outreach to LGBT voters to act as delegates, I will not mention the names of those who had to be forced to stop blocking such outreach but they are still in the Party and still trying to push LGBT out of the Party.

Platform is hardball and it's where many important victories are won and others are set up for the win. There will always be people complaining about the fact that activists have objectives in that process, and history tells us those complainers have been loudly opposed to such things as expanding the inclusive nature of our delegation, to expanding the civil rights of Americans so the complainers can't be presented as righteous as their objectives are often regressive and protectionist.

 

PowerToThePeople

(9,610 posts)
16. The point is
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 09:34 AM
Jul 2016

to stand up for what we believe, and to stand against that which we don't.

These acts will not always have the immediate effects you desire.

Don't give up! Don't give in!

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