The subtext of HRC's insistance that Bernie endorse now

[Android3.14]

Last edited Tue Jul 5, 2016, 09:48 PM - Edit history (1)

It is a good bet the reason Clinton is putting so much pressure on Bernie to endorse now and Bernie is resisting that pressure is because the oligarchy wants to dismiss Warren as VP and Sanders isn't going to endorse until the Clinton campaign agrees to Warren as VP.

Clinton's funding machine wants badly for her to pivot right, but she cannot because she must unify the party in the face of her major funding sources which are ideologically at odds with the voters.

It's a challenge that takes leadership. It's time for Clinton to show some.

[geek tragedy]

1. Clinton is not insisting on his endorsement.

She's not putting any pressure on him.

[BobbyDrake]

23. She's also pulling in $70 million per month in fundraising now, so it's not about money either. nt

[metroins]

51. For real

If Clinton wants cash, she can pull in cash. That is not a problem.

The real issue is, she wants what is right for the party. Unity. She won, she wants to win again in the GE and Bernie could make it easier.

Instead, he's, being, Bernie.

[Ken Burch]

61. Not personally, but a lot of her supporters won't let up on it.

Why are they so obsessed, when it doesn't matter if he endorses before the convention or at the convention?

[geek tragedy]

69. Mr. Sanders has repeatedly vowed to do everything he can to prevent Donald Trump

from becoming President. When a politician repeatedly writes that kind of check, not entirely unreasonable that some would be miffed when it bounces.

[Lord Magus]

88. Because waiting until after the convention is classless.

It would be no different than a defeated general election candidate waiting until after the inauguration to concede.

[still_one]

76. Exactly. I wonder where that talking point came from?

[riversedge]

2. Nasty OP. Give us proof that Hillary is insisting Sanders indorse her now or take your post down

[Android3.14]

9. In what way is the OP "nasty"?

All it takes is an astute observer to guess why the people at the table are playing their hands.

[rock]

28. Guessing why people at the table are playing their hands

Is the long way of saying speculating. I.e. making stuff up.

[LoverOfLiberty]

48. You literally made it up

I have seen absolutely nothing about Hillary trying to exact a concession.

In fact, I think what berns you is that she doesn't mention or acknowledge Sanders.

[Loki]

79. Proof means an actual link supporting your "observation".

If you don't have it, then take it down.

[eastwestdem]

35. It's hard to totally accept defeat, this is just the burning embers. nt

[yardwork]

3. Do you have any evidence that Hillary is insisting that Bernie endorse her now?

I haven't seen this at all. Link?

[Sheepshank]

4. Sanders resistance to endorsing Hillary plays into Trumps hands

And simply belies his insistence that he is doing everything possible to ensure Dems defeat Trump.

Hillary has always said she is letting Bernie play this out his way. I've not seen any insistence from Hillary.

[leftofcool]

5. Please link to Clinton's putting pressure on sanders to endorse?

Quite frankly Sanders' endorsement is moot at this point and Hillary will choose her VP based on what she needs, not what sanders wants.

[politicaljunkie41910]

43. Agreed. Clinton was endorsed by President Obama today. She doesn't need Bernie's endorsement.

[Arkansas Granny]

6. I haven't seen Hillary or her campaign making any such demands.

Do you have a link?

[CrowCityDem]

7. How about not putting a false declaration in the subject?

Hillary has not publicly said one thing about Bernie's endorsement. Trying to say she has is a lie.

And at this point, given his attitude, I'd venture to say Bernie hates Warren too.

[Android3.14]

15. "Hillary has not publicly said..."

Have you always thought Hillary only says things in front of a mic?

[CrowCityDem]

19. No, but it's malpractice to put words in her mouth if you haven't heard them.

[leftynyc]

81. Where you evidence of

this:

It is a good bet the reason Clinton is putting so much pressure on Bernie to endorse now

Where is the pressure? Who is it coming from? What form is it taking? Why am I even asking these ridiculous questions when it's obvious it's only the voices in your head you're hearing?

[sufrommich]

8. Lol. She not insisting he do anything.

She's moved on along with everybody but the BoBs.

[Android3.14]

13. Riiiiight, and she's partying with Warren because they've always been secretly BFF.

It's time to step away from the damaging behavior of many folks in the primary and look at the fallout dispassionately.

[geek tragedy]

30. She's campaigning with Warren because she wants to win.

Has nothing to do with Sanders, just like nothing regarding the general election has anything to do with Sanders.

[LuvLoogie]

36. She's partying with Warren because Hillary won and Liz is

a Democrat. They'll be slamming mojitos while Bernie rallies the remains of his heat-drenched, mosquito-welted busters.

[Sheepshank]

85. do you really not understand that campagining with a person is part of the run for POTUS?

you are trying way too hard to make this about personal friendships. It's a job and it's for the win. It's not about socializing for laughs. Sheesh.

[nolawarlock]

10. Still fighting the primary, I see.

Isn't that what Jim Jones Radicals is for?

[SharonClark]

11. Why are you making stuff up about Hillary and Sanders?

[Android3.14]

12. Is there any statement in the OP that is "made up"

Only a complete idiot thinks Bernie is resisting endorsing Clinton because he is just a big ol' meany. There are reasons, and my OP makes a considered argument of those reasons.

[Andy823]

14. How about the part

About Hillary's insistance that he endorse her? If you can't show some proof, I would say it's just "made up"!

[tallahasseedem]

16. Huh?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

17. Where is your proof about this garbage ?

[Her Sister]

18. Must be another conspiracy! ??

BTW: HRC is plenty leader! She's both a team player and a team leader!

[MineralMan]

20. Hillary has said nothing about any Sanders endorsement.

So what are you talking about, exactly.

[BobbyDrake]

21. Why would you imply that Senator Warren wouldn't or couldn't be selected on her own merits?

Why would her selection as Clinton's VP be ascribed, in any way, shape, or form, to Bernie Sanders? He is not her boss, her "handler," her agent, her manager, or any other form of professional representation. He has said nothing about his endorsement being conditional on her inclusion as VP, and the very idea is preposterous.

Warren's viability as a VP candidate has nothing, zero, nada, absolutely not one thing to do with the endorsement of the 2016 Democratic primary losing candidate. This argument is insulting to Senator Warren, and you really, really should consider self-deleting this misogynistic nonsense.

And now for the comment rating:

[grossproffit]

22. She's a woman, don't cha know.

[stevenleser]

34. Yep, that's another ugly subtext to this OP. nt

[MyNameGoesHere]

24. Yep two clicks reveals the motives.

[MaggieD]

25. Seems to me she just doesn't even care at this point

Link to her "putting pressure" on Sanders?

[MohRokTah]

26. OLIGARCHY!!! CORPORATIST!!!! BANKSTER!!!!!!

[FSogol]

27. ALCOA!

[Squinch]

29. Do show anywhere where Hillar is insisting that BS endorse now. Anywhere. One statement.

[NanceGreggs]

31. When it comes to stawmen ...

... this one is absolutely spectacular!

Where and when did HRC express anything even remotely close to "insistence that Bernie endorse her" - now or ever?

Hillary has moved on, the Democrats have moved on, the world has moved on - Bernie's "endorsement" is of no consequence to anyone, and whether he endorses her or not is irrelevant.

[PJMcK]

32. Hey, Android3.14

What the Pi?!

Please link us to a statement by Secretary Clinton where she insists that Senator Sanders endorse her.

Otherwise, let's move on. There's an important battle to be fought.

[stevenleser]

33. Negative assumptions about Democrats without proof belongs on JackPineRadicals not here

Take this nonsense to JPR where it belongs.

[eastwestdem]

37. Hillary and Elizabeth campaigning together a couple weeks ago was all that was necessary.

It doesn't matter who the VP pick is, the alliance is clear.

[Skid Rogue]

38. "HRC's insistance that Bernie endorse now..."

Link, please.

[lapucelle]

39. Subtext?

There isn't even "text" for any of your contentions.

[bluedye33139]

40. Because the oligarchy?

Is there any reason that Clinton wants Sanders to drop out because he has lost the primary election and his continued militating against her and against the party might damage the Democrats in the November election?

[blue neen]

41. "Insistence"

The word is "insistence", not "insistance".

Please spell your fiction correctly. Thank you.

[JoePhilly]

42. Bullshit.

[jamese777]

44. Bernie Sanders’ Vanishing Act

By holding out his endorsement of Hillary Clinton for so long, Bernie Sanders has made himself less, not more, relevant
By Lincoln Mitchell
(Excerpt)
"...whether or not Mr. Sanders is “there” regarding endorsing the Democratic nominee is much less important than the Senator and his most ardent supporters seem to think. By waiting too long, Sanders has not made his endorsement more important. In fact when Elizabeth Warren, Barack Obama and so many other politicians respected by progressive Democrats have already endorsed Ms. Clinton, Sanders has done little more than isolate himself.
A few months ago, Mr. Sanders appeared to be facing a choice of either supporting Ms. Clinton or becoming known as the guy who made Donald Trump the President. It turns out that was a significant overstatement of the relevancy of the Senator from Vermont. Ms. Clinton is currently the frontrunner to be the next President of the U.S., but the election is still several months away. There are many scenarios where Ms. Clinton could lose: A major terrorist attack could change the dynamic of the race, the Benghazi and email issues could become larger and move voters outside the GOP base, the Republicans could somehow find a way to nominate a stronger candidate at the convention, or a record turnout of lower educated white voters could catapult Mr. Trump to victory in a few key midwestern states, thus giving him a majority of electoral votes. None of these things are particularly likely, but they all are more likely than Sanders, one way or the other, being the deciding factor. Sanders, a politician for more than three decades, built a campaign around claiming he didn’t play politics. Turns out he just wasn’t very good at it."

http://observer.com/2016/07/bernie-sanders-disappearing-relevancy/

[NastyRiffraff]

45. The entire OP is steaming BS

"It's a good bet" Really? Who's betting? On what?

"Clinton is putting so much pressure on Bernie to endorse now " As many others have said, where's your evidence of any pressure she's put on Sanders? As you haven't answered that simple question, I have to assume the answer is there is none.

"because the oligarchy wants to dismiss Warren as VP and Sanders isn't going to endorse until the Clinton campaign agrees to Warren as VP. "
What??! Since when does the loser of the primaries get to dictate who the VP will be? Besides, given that Warren has enthusiastically endorsed Clinton, it's doubtful that Sanders wants her as VP or anything else.

"It's a challenge that takes leadership. It's time for Clinton to show some. How? By giving Sanders everything he wants? Not. Gonna. Happen.

[The Second Stone]

46. That ship has sailed. There is no insistence that Sanders do anything from

the Clinton campaign. There is literally no talk about it at all. And that is because there is nothing anybody can do to persuade Sanders.

[Lucinda]

47. You appear to be seriously misinformed. n/t

[PowerToThePeople]

49. I agree that they don't want Warren

but the rest, eh.

[Orangepeel]

50. What?

A) Clinton is not insisting that Sanders endorse her. She's too busy campaigning with the President.
B) what evidence is there that Sanders cares who Clinton's VP choice is?

[upaloopa]

52. We will win without Bernie. He has made himself insignificant.

Bernie is not going to determine who Hillary's VP will be and the oligarchy isn't even in play.

[DemonGoddess]

53. This is a flat out lie

and you know it. She's shifted to general election mode, did that in MAY for crying out loud. She's proceeding WITHOUT him.

[herding cats]

55. Sometimes people confuse the people they disagree with on the Internet...

With an actual political candidate they don't see eye to eye with. I've seen a lot of that recently.

I believe that's the relevant subtext here, sadly.

[seabeyond]

56. That is a lousy bet. Clinton has about ignored Sanders for the last yr. No one cares anymore.

You know it too, hence, trying to gin up some enthusiasm for a want of endorsement.

Personally, I am at the point I think an endorsement is more harm than good, that is how tainted his endorsement has become.

The good "bet" is Clinton moved on.

[Whimsey]

57. Bernie has become irrelevant

The only reason he is still around is that he still has campaign money to burn. (And he is still wearing his upscale suits). Once his money is gone, he will too, because he is not going to push his agenda on his own dime. Maybe he can start his reelection campaign for the senate to raise money for his agenda. I wonder if he could get reelected if he was viewed as costing Hillary the election?

[floriduck]

83. Would you describe his actions as extremely careless?

[Sheepshank]

86. yes...yes I would

careless in that he continues to toy with his constituency and his tactical support of Trump. Careless with the Whitehouse and who he is enabling.

[lunamagica]

58. WHAT!?!?!? Hillary couldn't care less about Sanders endorsement. Only in his (and obviously some of

his die-hard supporters) his endorsement carries any weight.

I find your post so weird, esp. today, which was such a great day for the campaign. Hillary and Obama looked lie winners, united strong and positive. The last thing on their minds, and most Democrats mind, was the irrelevant Sanders endorsement.

[JaneyVee]

59. Bernie who?

[NYC Liberal]

60. It's not all about Sanders.

I highly doubt HRC gives two shits what he does or doesn't do now. She has the backing of two of the most popular presidents in long time. She has the support of 81% of former Sanders supporters (a number that exceeds the number of former HRC supporters who supported Obama at this point in 2008). She has the support of the Democratic Party.

I do really love what you've done with Warren though. You've set up a nice little "trap" here. If Hillary chooses Warren as her running mate, then it's because Bernie made her do it (see how influential and powerful he is?). If she doesn't, then she's a tool of "the oligarchy."

Hillary will choose her running mate on their merits: not based on what "the oligarchy" told her to do, nor on what her defeated opponent, who cannot accept that he lost, demanded as a consolation prize.

[jcgoldie]

62. So you just make this shit up?

??

[BainsBane]

63. Yes

Evidence is inconsequential. All that matters is what they want to believe.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

64. You've chosen to post non-approved material, along with your own conjecture.

You will be made to pay for this.

But don't worry, the rest of the Internet isn't subject to the new rules, and you can go read thousands of posts on this very subject at Reddit, among other places.

[Android3.14]

65. "non approved"?

As a fierce advocate for free and open discussion, I find it alarming that so many think the appropriate way to respond to an idea is to urge an authority to suppress the thought. We should know better. I understand the desire to keep DU polite, but have been watching closely to see if the new rules throw the baby out with the bath water. So far, the new rules seem to be working about how I expected, meaning discussion is possible, though problematic.

Regardless. Actually, I made the post and then appealed the inevitable challenge over the weekend, which the DU Administrators determined did not violate the rule.

Rather than hope for revenge, please provide a better hypothesis that accounts for the behavior we are observing between the two former primary rivals.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

84. I've never bothered with sarcasm tags, but it would be really Orwellian to say what I said

...without sarcasm.

[pnwmom]

66. The oligarchy, if there is such a thing that can act as a unit,

doesn't want Hillary Clinton or any Democrat.

The oligarchy is praying for either (1) Trump to be replaced at the convention or 2) for a strong enough 3rd party person to run so that none of the 3 or 4 candidates gets 270 electoral votes.

In which case the election would be decided by the Republican congress.

[Android3.14]

67. Based on what is funding which candidate

The evidence shows that TPTB want Clinton more than Trump.

[NCTraveler]

68. You seem to have brought Duers together with this one.

Well done.

[treestar]

70. Has this ever happened before?

Usually the losing candidate has suspended and endorsed far sooner than now.

So it brings up the question of why he can't bring himself to do it.

[Vinca]

71. I don't understand why everyone has their drawers in a knot over this.

Unless Hillary is struck by lightening, Bernie is not going to be the nominee. Whether he suspends, doesn't suspend or dances down the streets of Philadelphia makes no difference. He's getting no coverage in the media. The only people who seem to be upset about it are posters in this forum.

[treestar]

72. Not upset at all

Just wondering - how come Bernie doesn't do the normal thing losing candidates do? He looks foolish acting as if there is still a contest.

[Vinca]

73. I don't know his motives other than keeping his movement alive.

I suspect he'll hang in to the last second to keep Hillary from nose diving back to the right, but I could be wrong.

[treestar]

74. How can he keep her from doing anything?

He didn't win and without his suspending and endorsing most of his supporters already support her.

[Vinca]

89. I think she'll be influenced by his presence. She obviously has been.

In yesterday's speech I thought I was listening to Bernie when she talked about education.

[LexVegas]

75. Jesus Fucking Christ.

[Renew Deal]

78. You'd think it would stop after being wrong about everything else

Nope....

[Renew Deal]

77. Is this the latest form of fan fiction?

[grossproffit]

82. I believe it's the latest form of "Bitter, party of one."

[leftynyc]

80. Your OP is nothing but ridiculous speculation

There is not one iota of evidence HRC is INSISTING on anything. Since that is the premise of your entire argument, I suspect you're shit stirring just to shit stir. The LOSER in a fight for the nomination does not get to direct anything. Bernie COULD have done something great - instead he's showing what a poor loser he is trying to steal the limelight. It's pathetic.

[JTFrog]

87. The subtext of just making shit up?

And then thinking that after backing the losing candidate, you now get to call the shots for the winner? Your candidate showed the same arrogance and it isn't helping him either.

[Blue_Tires]

91. And what reasoning do you have behind this line of thought?

or is it pure speculation?

[Android3.14]

92. Judging by the response, this conjecture struck home

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The only responses, so far, that have any bearing on the hypothesis are the cries for proof that Clinton is seeking Sanders' endorsement.

There are countless articles about how Sanders should be endorsing Clinton and people criticizing him for withholding the endorsement. Sanders is a smart person, and so is Clinton.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/hillary-clinton-eager-for-bernie-sanders-endorsement-cooperation-2016-06-14

The demands for proof that Clinton herself expressed this to reporters are silly. She wouldn't say anything like that in a public statement. Her surrogates express these distasteful matters for her.