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One of the 99

(2,280 posts)
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 08:38 AM Jul 2016

Why Hillary Clinton's perfect running mate is... Joe Biden

Why Hillary Clinton's perfect running mate is... Joe Biden

Hillary Clinton is in the process of whittling down her vice presidential shortlist. But if she's looking to truly rout Trump in November, she ought to consider one old hand who is almost never mentioned: Joe Biden.
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The current vice president is universally known, vetted, and unquestionably fit to serve. As America's affable "Uncle Joe," he is viewed positively by 51 percent of the country and unfavorably by just 36 percent. He's absolutely beloved by Democrats, helping to shore up the Sanders-Warren wing of the party. And he has already proven to be an able complement to a candidate who, like Clinton, sometimes struggles to connect viscerally and emotionally with voters. He also appears to absolutely love being vice president, and is good at the job.
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But Biden would reinforce Clinton's strongest claim to the Oval Office, doubling down on unparalleled experience while adding a warm blue-collar familiarity. As Democrats look to assemble a November landslide, a Clinton-Biden ticket would heighten this election's core contrast: a choice between being governed by the steady hand of the adults on the Democratic side, or by the unserious, unpredictable child put forward by the GOP.

http://theweek.com/articles/632603/why-hillary-clintons-perfect-running-mate-joe-biden
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Why Hillary Clinton's perfect running mate is... Joe Biden (Original Post) One of the 99 Jul 2016 OP
I disagree with this. Because she will be the first woman president, there are optics Squinch Jul 2016 #1
Agree entirely. Seems to me this would appeal to some Hortensis Jul 2016 #7
Then by that logic, she better get Obama and Bill off the stump. Exilednight Jul 2016 #12
The stump is different from the cabinet. You know that, right? Squinch Jul 2016 #18
The optics of a strong male leader deferring to a strong female leader is sufficient Bucky Jul 2016 #19
I kind of always assumed that Bush and Cheney had some kind of S and M thing going on behind the Squinch Jul 2016 #20
=8oO Bucky Jul 2016 #21
LOL! Squinch Jul 2016 #22
So all these campaign promises from the stump are lies? Exilednight Jul 2016 #23
Do you really need to do this? Is this proving something? If so, enjoy! Squinch Jul 2016 #24
I'm just asking basic questions that no one has answers to. Exilednight Jul 2016 #32
OK, then. In answer to your question, no, all these stump promises are not lies. Squinch Jul 2016 #33
Then you just undermined your own argument. She is going to be Exilednight Jul 2016 #34
Oh, FFS. No, I haven't. As I say, if you really need to go around in this inane circle, have fun. Squinch Jul 2016 #35
then answer this Exilednight Jul 2016 #36
Nope! leftofcool Jul 2016 #2
I love Joe but mainstreetonce Jul 2016 #3
No loyalsister Jul 2016 #4
Translation: I'm afraid of change. FSogol Jul 2016 #5
I agree - adding JustAnotherGen Jul 2016 #16
Yes, that is an insulting idea to Biden PatSeg Jul 2016 #25
Cue the Hotel California jokes, "You can checkout any time you like, but you can never leave!" grossproffit Jul 2016 #6
No. Not going to happen. nt sufrommich Jul 2016 #8
That won't be happening. MineralMan Jul 2016 #9
No thanks. TheCowsCameHome Jul 2016 #10
8 years of Joe's chronic foot-in-mouth-itis is quite enough, thank you very much. nt BobbyDrake Jul 2016 #11
What makes anyone think he'd want another four or eight years in the job? SheilaT Jul 2016 #13
He's definitely experienced in the role. jalan48 Jul 2016 #14
No MoonRiver Jul 2016 #15
No! CobaltBlue Jul 2016 #17
Me loves my Joe Biden Lance Bass esquire Jul 2016 #26
I can't imagine him relaxing for long though PatSeg Jul 2016 #28
Nope. n/t Binkie The Clown Jul 2016 #27
Holy crap can we please get someone under the age of 60 giftedgirl77 Jul 2016 #29
This makes no sense whatsoever to me. TDale313 Jul 2016 #30
No to Biden. Eight years was enough. bigwillq Jul 2016 #31

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
1. I disagree with this. Because she will be the first woman president, there are optics
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 08:43 AM
Jul 2016

considerations not unlike those that existed for Obama, but in her case there are even more restrictions because she is the wife of a former president.

It is imperative that she proceeds as clearly her own person. She cannot seem to be giving any decisions by default to any powerful man that preceded her. She cannot allow herself to be seen as a continuation of anyone else's administration, especially Obama's or Bill's. She needs to make sure she is seen as the only hand on the helm of her administration.

I like Joe, but this would not be a good choice.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
7. Agree entirely. Seems to me this would appeal to some
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 09:08 AM
Jul 2016

who want the reassurance of this tall, personable man from the previous administration backstopping her.

I understand electing a woman, and one who's been the target of 25 years of character assassination, is a big change, but imo she is more competent than Biden ever was, and she certainly won't be the squish in the hands of the Republican leadership that he was.

Can anyone imagine her caving to right wing propaganda and giving Clarence Thomas a lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court? Senator Biden actually commented in public that he felt he came out of that without serious damage to his personal image.

Even if it were desirable to her, him, and the electorate--all highly unlikely, he's turning 74 in November, would be 82 by the end of the second term, if he lasted that long.

I like him, everybody does, and that Obama chose to work closely with him says a lot, but no.

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
12. Then by that logic, she better get Obama and Bill off the stump.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 10:04 AM
Jul 2016

She wants to put Bill in charge of the economy and return it to the days of Bill.

Obama is saying that she's the one best positioned to continue his policies.

You can't have it both ways.

Bucky

(53,997 posts)
19. The optics of a strong male leader deferring to a strong female leader is sufficient
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 03:53 PM
Jul 2016

to show who's gonna be in charge. It's the president. Shit, even when it was Bush-Cheney, the Veep deferred to the President.

Squinch

(50,949 posts)
20. I kind of always assumed that Bush and Cheney had some kind of S and M thing going on behind the
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 03:54 PM
Jul 2016

scenes...

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
23. So all these campaign promises from the stump are lies?
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 04:55 PM
Jul 2016

If that's the case, then we nominated a liar.

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
34. Then you just undermined your own argument. She is going to be
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 06:53 PM
Jul 2016

a continuation of Obama's presidency and plans on deferring to Bill when it comes to the economy.

Exilednight

(9,359 posts)
36. then answer this
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 07:27 PM
Jul 2016

Is she a continuation of the Obama presidency as both her and Obama say?

If so, then she's undermining your argument.

If not, then all these stump speeches are pure pandering.

loyalsister

(13,390 posts)
4. No
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 08:53 AM
Jul 2016

We need VP who has a longer life expectency. We need to be thinking about the future and expanding the bench beyond boomers. It would also be good to have a VP who would run in 2024

FSogol

(45,476 posts)
5. Translation: I'm afraid of change.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 08:55 AM
Jul 2016

After 8 years, do you really think Biden wants to continue as VP?

Relax, HRC will make a good choice and we'll have a have a VP we all like as much as Biden.

JustAnotherGen

(31,811 posts)
16. I agree - adding
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 10:44 AM
Jul 2016

I think those two tolerated each other - because they both respected someone who respected both of them.

PatSeg

(47,399 posts)
25. Yes, that is an insulting idea to Biden
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 05:09 PM
Jul 2016

Had circumstances been different, Joe would have run for president and very likely would have been the presumptive nominee. I can't image that after his long and distinguished career, he would want to be VP for four or eight more years.

MineralMan

(146,286 posts)
9. That won't be happening.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 09:17 AM
Jul 2016

First, because Hillary needs her own, unique VP candidate and second, because Joe Biden wouldn't be interested in playing second fiddle for another President. I suspect he wants to retire.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
13. What makes anyone think he'd want another four or eight years in the job?
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 10:22 AM
Jul 2016

Not to mention, Hillary is going to need a VP considerably younger than she is because, well, just in case. Which is why Warren is probably out of the running. Not to mention she should stay in the Senate.

More to the point, she's going to want someone who is aligned with her on all of the issues that matter. Someone willing to stump enthusiastically for her and then more or less disappear from view except for certain ceremonial occasions.

 

Lance Bass esquire

(671 posts)
26. Me loves my Joe Biden
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 05:11 PM
Jul 2016

but hes looking tired.

Time to relax and let someone else take the reigns.

Joe is a good man.

PatSeg

(47,399 posts)
28. I can't imagine him relaxing for long though
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 05:43 PM
Jul 2016

and hope he will have a significant role in the next administration. He made it quite clear that he did not want to be a Supreme Court Justice, maybe Secretary of State, something he was interested in before he was chosen Obama's VP.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
29. Holy crap can we please get someone under the age of 60
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 05:48 PM
Jul 2016

preferably under 50 and not white if at all possible?

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
30. This makes no sense whatsoever to me.
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 05:50 PM
Jul 2016

Aside from whether he'd even want it, what does he bring to the table that she doesn't have?

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