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MineralMan

(146,254 posts)
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 01:42 PM Jul 2016

We are privileged to watch the Republican Party

disintegrate before our eyes. Some in the party are working on a rules change for the convention that would allow disregarding the primary elections and to dump Drumpf. That would result in an open revolt by those who, for some unknown reason, support the man and would lead to the disintegration of the party as an organization. Disgruntled supporters would refuse to vote for the Republican nominee and the election would be ruined for Republicans.

However, should The Donald™ prevail and become the nominee, millions of moderate Republicans will either vote for Clinton or simply not show up at their polling places in November. Once again, the party would lose badly, to the extent that both houses of Congress would be likely to flip to Democratic majorities.

Another alternative might be the orange-haired booby taking his deflated football in his tiny hands and going home in a fit of pique. That would leave the Republican Party without a candidate and without a well-defined plan or adequate time to find a new one to replace him. I can't imagine that happening before the convention, but it could happen after the nomination was finalized. The result would be similar to the other two possibilities.

2016 is very likely to be a banner year for those who would like to see the GOP fizzle out and fall apart. I have crossed fingers and am burning a special candle in hopes of that happening. Regardless of what happens, Democrats need to turn out in record numbers in November and cast their votes for Democrats running for every office on the ballot. We have the potential to win it all and establish a Democratic Party majority across the nation this year. We can do it!

GOTV 2016!

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We are privileged to watch the Republican Party (Original Post) MineralMan Jul 2016 OP
K&R +1 nt. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #1
The GOP's obituary has been written several times in the past, The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2016 #2
Hasten the day! MineralMan Jul 2016 #4
Yea, but until now... CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #11
PLEASE let it finish self destructing this election! Hortensis Jul 2016 #21
Yep! moose65 Jul 2016 #31
Our Governor, one Scott Kevin Walker, reportedly believes... Still In Wisconsin Jul 2016 #3
That would be hilarious. MineralMan Jul 2016 #5
Scary to think, but true. Scrutiny is not Walker's friend. Hortensis Jul 2016 #22
Mitt's VP deepcover Jul 2016 #9
Walker will do anything- ANYTHING- to get back onto the national stage. Still In Wisconsin Jul 2016 #15
Nice to have that confirmed. :) Hortensis Jul 2016 #23
The only think is re: Walker, the Kochs have reportedly kicked him to the curb already... Still In Wisconsin Jul 2016 #25
Yes, he was amazingly incompetent, wasn't he? :) Hortensis Jul 2016 #30
As long as they own our "4th Estate" (or what used to be our watchdog institution), disintegration BlueCaliDem Jul 2016 #6
I don't view the press is the enemy CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #12
I sincerely hope I'm wrong and you are 110% correct, Cajun. BlueCaliDem Jul 2016 #18
What a stunning achievement it will be for the Democratic Party to have nominated the first KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #7
Yes. Two history-making Presidents and both are Democrats. MineralMan Jul 2016 #8
And they're back to back caquillo Jul 2016 #16
I feel exactly how you feel, KingCharlemagne. eom BlueCaliDem Jul 2016 #19
Hoping for the success of this self destruction liberal N proud Jul 2016 #10
Mired in their own latrine. sofa king Jul 2016 #13
They're doing... JSup Jul 2016 #14
It must Jamaal510 Jul 2016 #17
Yes, we are. I was just reading about his little tiffy with my senator, Jeff Flake. AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #20
I've been waiting for this my entire life ... and it's finally happening! NurseJackie Jul 2016 #24
deranged don feeding the media frenzy Motley13 Jul 2016 #26
That's beyond weird. MineralMan Jul 2016 #27
Getting down the ballot HassleCat Jul 2016 #28
Or, Trump will bow out 'gracefully' because of his dementia, enjoy the sympathy of the nation, L. Coyote Jul 2016 #29
President Obama was the catalyst that began the GOP's descent into chaos. Alfresco Jul 2016 #32
Yes, that's definitely true. MineralMan Jul 2016 #33
Do you think this info is more Motley13 Jul 2016 #34
I suspect that Bill Clinton was joking when he MineralMan Jul 2016 #35

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,586 posts)
2. The GOP's obituary has been written several times in the past,
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 01:46 PM
Jul 2016

but it's still here, stinking up the place. I hope Trump is what finally drives a stake through its cold, black heart - but I'll believe it when I see it, like when somebody you couldn't stand finally dies and you go to their funeral just to be sure the bastard is really dead.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
11. Yea, but until now...
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 03:01 PM
Jul 2016

...they have never seen an open revolt of their social conservative base against the party establishment...

... and they damn well have never seen a candidate like Trump.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
21. PLEASE let it finish self destructing this election!
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 07:41 AM
Jul 2016

Let's not forget, though, that half this nation will still be conservative and that they have been trained to operate politically mainly as attack dogs. Conservative intellectuals bemoan the fact that traditional conservatism has been smothered and ideology for most conservatives has been reduced to a conviction that they must oppose Democrats, but that's what's happened.

If the party collapses this time, though, it may remain in eclipse long enough to produce a sustained period of responsible and competent liberal progressive government, one long enough that it could both return the nation to a healthy and prosperous track and provide a cultural break for conservatives from the destructive era that began with Reaganism.

In any case, during this period the demographic transition of course continue, with younger conservative voters of all racial groups replacing some of the Reagan-era "Southern strategy" whites. Eventually the conservative party will have to shift back from its extreme and destructive current form to a more rational and functional ideology.

moose65

(3,166 posts)
31. Yep!
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 10:29 AM
Jul 2016

Many of us thought the GOP was dying in 2008, after they crashed the economy and ran as fast as they could from Bush during the election. How naive we all were! The Republicans doubled down, became kings and queens of obstruction, and gave birth to the Tea Party. Then they shellacked us in 2010 and again in 2014. We underestimate them at our own peril. This is a pattern that I fear will continue: in presidential election years, Democrats look strong and make a strong case, and we also get our voters to the polls. In off-year elections, the Democrats look weak and cowed and act like they are trying to out-Republican the Republicans! It's absolutely insane to me. WHY can't we get out the vote in off-year elections? THAT should be a priority for the Democrats at all times!

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
3. Our Governor, one Scott Kevin Walker, reportedly believes...
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 01:47 PM
Jul 2016

that HE may be the nominee after all. He's stopped openly saying he would vote for Drumpf and is putting out 3-4 tweets every day against HRC.

Yes, THAT Scott Kevin Walker, who rose all the way to the astounding level of * in the national polls before he dropped out of the race.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
22. Scary to think, but true. Scrutiny is not Walker's friend.
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 07:45 AM
Jul 2016

Thanks for the report, Still in Wisconsin. VERY interesting. The Koch alliance would love to put him in the oval office.

deepcover

(76 posts)
9. Mitt's VP
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 02:12 PM
Jul 2016

Funny how Walker agreed to be a speaker at their CON over a week ago when all others are treating it like a bio-hazard
If Mitt can get the rule change and challange the DON, then Walker will be his BFF

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
15. Walker will do anything- ANYTHING- to get back onto the national stage.
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 04:28 PM
Jul 2016

I'd feel a little bad for him re: this latest pathetic attention-seeking action if he wasn't such a destructive force and deep-down evil sociopathic bastard.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
23. Nice to have that confirmed. :)
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 07:48 AM
Jul 2016

Since the GOP has become so extreme in ideology, far beyond where it's ever gone before, an amazing number of the people who have risen on the right have something seriously wrong with them. Walker's one of a shocking crowd, but I doubt the Kochs and those allied with them are capable of realizing just how dysfunctional it is since they are very much part of this extremism.

 

Still In Wisconsin

(4,450 posts)
25. The only think is re: Walker, the Kochs have reportedly kicked him to the curb already...
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:01 AM
Jul 2016

After seeing him wilt under just a tiny bit of scrutiny on the national stage, they have reportedly cut their losses. Governor Howdy Doody still has Diane Hendricks (our own Wisconsin-grown version of the Kochs) but the brothers have reportedly moved on. Walker, however, cared not a bit about being Governor here and as I said would/will do anything to re-claim his place on the national stage. Anything he does in Wisconsin is either payback for his allies, revenge against perceived enemies (of which I am one- University faculty) or designed to move him up in the Rethug ranks.


Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
30. Yes, he was amazingly incompetent, wasn't he? :)
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:32 AM
Jul 2016

They moved on. But does anyone doubt they're watching like hawks for every opportunity that might arise? Not that I think a real opportunity for the top of the ticket will arise, but, again, but...

I'm guessing Kasich would easily be the bigger threat. He worked with the Kochs for decades, and they'd forgive him in a heartbeat for supporting the ACA as part of positioning himself as moderate if he could become their chance. Probably did long ago. And he's still technically in the race, has not endorsed Trump, polls high compared to Trump, and will be in Cleveland for the convention...

One thing about a late race is that hundreds of millions of dollars of positive propaganda might overwhelm the scrutiny that would reveal Kasich to be very un-moderate.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
6. As long as they own our "4th Estate" (or what used to be our watchdog institution), disintegration
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 01:52 PM
Jul 2016

of the Republican Party is not going to happen - unless, of course, they run out of word-smithing and word-spinning.

Even this taxpayer-funded witch-hunt is favoring Republicans because they get to sow doubt amongst the populace and make false "smoke". And although the American people aren't the brightest bulbs when it comes to politics and politicking, they understand the concept of "where there's smoke, there's fire". Couple that to 25+ years and tens of millions of dollars of RW/Neo-con lies and innuendo - and a media that rarely holds them to account for these - and you have yet another non-issue to smear the Clintons with. And that's what this is all about.

That's the danger of this taxpayer-funded witch-hunt.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
12. I don't view the press is the enemy
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 03:06 PM
Jul 2016

And I don't believe in conspiracy theories. I do believe that this is yet another Republican witch hunt which will blow up in their faces, and the press will be their to record the explosion.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
7. What a stunning achievement it will be for the Democratic Party to have nominated the first
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 02:06 PM
Jul 2016

African American candidate and now the first female candidate to be POTUS. I feel so privileged to be a living witness to this history.

caquillo

(521 posts)
16. And they're back to back
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 04:53 PM
Jul 2016

Last edited Thu Jul 7, 2016, 06:29 PM - Edit history (1)

And each would have helped the other accomplish the tremendous feat.

Don't forget, the Dems also put the first woman on a ticket when Mondale chose Geraldine Ferraro as his running mate in 1984. It would take the GOP another 24 years before they put a woman on the ticket, and that was only because Clinton lost the primaries and McCain thought he could woo her supporters by picking Sarah Palin.

liberal N proud

(60,332 posts)
10. Hoping for the success of this self destruction
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 02:55 PM
Jul 2016

Hoping it puts an end to the misery we have all suffered through for so many years.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
13. Mired in their own latrine.
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 03:39 PM
Jul 2016

I am particularly interested in the decline of voter motivation among Republicans, and how successive candidates have disappointed different subspecies of Republican voters.

Romney did a good job of pushing away the racist authoritarians in '12 by stealing the nomination, so this time we may see a double whammy where the racists try to come back after 6 or 8 years and find that Republican voter-turnout laws have knocked the racists themselves off of the rolls by not automatically renewing their voter registrations.

That alone could spell a crushing defeat and a genuine surprise that "likely voter" polls fail to predict.

JSup

(740 posts)
14. They're doing...
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 04:00 PM
Jul 2016

...many things at the same time that say "If we don't like the results, we'll just have a do-over."

Primaries, investigations... everything is "Okay, how about 2 out of 3?".

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
17. It must
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 05:48 PM
Jul 2016

suck to be a Republican right now. They've lost 5 of the last 6 presidential elections via the popular vote, the demographic trends don't favor them, they can't win unless turnout is low, and they have a racist/sexist/xenophobe with no political experience representing them. The only things they have going for them are that their base tends to be more reliable, they have more big donors, and the media (yes, even MSNBC) is helping them by omitting facts and attempting to make every presidential election a horse-race.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
20. Yes, we are. I was just reading about his little tiffy with my senator, Jeff Flake.
Thu Jul 7, 2016, 10:08 PM
Jul 2016

There's no love lost there, that's for sure. In fact, there's no love lost between him and both AZ senators. Trump is killing so many downline campaigns. It will be fun to watch. Sounds like his little GOP meeting wasn't all it is cracked up to be.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
28. Getting down the ballot
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:23 AM
Jul 2016

Our problem will continue to be that we spend too much time and effort on the presidency. Republican governors and members of Congress will do just fine. They will avoid mentioning Trump, keep investigating the email non-scandal, whip up a little fear of the Mooze-Lims, and so on. They're experts at diverting and deflecting, so they're in little danger of becoming the minority party.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
29. Or, Trump will bow out 'gracefully' because of his dementia, enjoy the sympathy of the nation,
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 09:24 AM
Jul 2016

and the Dems will be blind-sided by the new outsider who will seem like a God-send by comparison to Trump.

Alfresco

(1,698 posts)
32. President Obama was the catalyst that began the GOP's descent into chaos.
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 11:14 AM
Jul 2016
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/gop-splintering-tea-party-obama-opposition

This paragraph, from the above link, sums it up nicely.

Conservatives' gut-level resistance to all things Obama — the man, his authority, his policies — gave birth to the tea party movement that powered the GOP to political success in multiple states and historic congressional majorities. Yet contained in the movement and its triumphs were the seeds of destruction, evident now in the party's fracture over presidential front-runner Donald Trump
.

It's so deliciously sweet that their hate for Obama brought on their own destruction.

MineralMan

(146,254 posts)
33. Yes, that's definitely true.
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 11:18 AM
Jul 2016

And the Republicans have continuously obstructed him for eight years running. People know that. People will remember that in November, I hope.

Motley13

(3,867 posts)
34. Do you think this info is more
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 11:48 AM
Jul 2016

beneficial to Hillary or dump trump Repugs?

Would that make Newtie prez, God help us!

Remember when demented don said Bill Clinton encouraged him to run? Is Bill that diabolical?

MineralMan

(146,254 posts)
35. I suspect that Bill Clinton was joking when he
Fri Jul 8, 2016, 11:50 AM
Jul 2016

suggested that Der Drumpf run. A sarcastic joke, at that. The Donald™ is just stupid enough not to get the joke.

Newt Gingrich will NEVER be POTUS.

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