Clinton's server was not hacked. What in the Wide World of Sports

[The Second Stone]

are we getting worked up over? What the heck is wrong with a Congress that won't take firearm deaths, which number over 30,000 annually, under discussion, but spends virtually all of its efforts investigating in improper email set up that was, in fact, not breached. When the claims of a fraudulent hacker that he breached it is shown to be a lie, the Congress just goes wilder.

When black people are pulled over by the police thousands of times a day for driving while black, while Bundys take over federal land, etc. The whole of the Republican effort at government oversight remains trained on one elderly lady who has never been indicted, much less convicted, of so much as a misdemeanor.

Are we all nuts? Apparently yes.

[stopbush]

4. Bullshit.

[stopbush]

6. Troll alert.

[Tal Vez]

2. It's all baloney. This issue is totally political.

When some Republican brings up the issue of the emails with me, I don't even debate the matter with them. I just tell them that I am voting for Clinton because I am convinced that Obama was born in Hawaii and not in Africa.

[PJMcK]

8. Great comeback!

Republicans can't handle it when their cognitive dissonance is point out. Like you, I've used this tactic. For example, how can President Obama be a Muslim yet be criticized for going to a Christian church for 20 years? (I know, it wasn't the right kind of Christian church.)

Republicans are feces-throwing monkeys. They suck.

[oasis]

3. She should have used an outdated government issue hack proof server.

[MFM008]

7. I dont even discuss it.

Talk about issues, I don't care about your opinion about what most republicans think of HRC.
The derangement syndrome began with the Clinton's.
It makes repukes insane they cant nail them.
They are just short of stripping,smearing themselves with poo
hanging upside down on a cross and self immolating.
Its fun to watch.

[PJMcK]

10. The conventions will be pure gold

The Republicans go first and their little festival of freaks will provide a stark contrast to the seriousness and professionalism we'll see the following week when the Democratic Party stands tall.

[Vinca]

9. I don't think anyone knows for sure.

Hackers are sophisticated enough now so they don't leave evidence behind. I think the only way we might know for sure is if someone who shouldn't have information suddenly releases it.

[The Second Stone]

13. The FBI report was pretty clear about it not being broken into

and that is the evidence and analysis of it.

Anything else is made up mud slinging and wishful thinking followed by a bunch of self-sealing arguments of nonsense. I do like the born in Hawaii response tactic.

[amandabeech]

19. What I got from watching Comey on Tuesday at 11:00 am and

the Congressional hearing on Thursday (and I sat through all of them and recorded them) was that they couldn't tell from what they could recover from the Clinton private server, but that really sophisicated hackers don't leave much trace.

It seemed to me that the FBI could tell, rather than the server wasn't hacked. There is a difference, and I HOPE that you are right.

[The Second Stone]

22. The absence of evidence is not usually evidence

and the people making the assertion have the burden of proof for showing that something existed.

One can say with a high degree of confidence that this was investigated and no evidence of breach was shown.

If one wants to say that a breach was still possible and we don't know for sure, that can be said by moving the mouth or typing the words, but it isn't a meaningful or thoughtful communication, but rather the utterance of someone who does not feel evidence is valuable before making charges.

[pnwmom]

33. Sophisticated Russian hackers broke into the .gov system and left traces.

I wonder why they left traces if it was so easy for them not to?

[NWCorona]

35. Probably because they were locked out midstream and couldn't delete the access logs.

[pnwmom]

36. They were discovered long after the fact, not in mid-hack. n/t

[NWCorona]

37. I said locked out not discovered. Security patches happen frequently. nt

[TeddyR]

26. The FBI was pretty clear

That they couldn't tell. But spin it any way you want.

[The Second Stone]

31. And you can come up with any conspiracy theory you want

If you are going to accuse someone of something, the burden on proof is on the accuser. Anything else is totalitarian. You want to cast the accusation you have, come up with some evidence.

[pnwmom]

32. They were absolutely clear that they found no evidence on Hilary's server.

But they HAVE found evidence of hacking on the .gov system and on other staffers commercial accounts.

So there is NO BASIS for the claim that her email was LESS safe than it would have been.

[DLCWIdem]

17. As some congressman pointed out

All of these i stances where systems have been hacked there were footprints left. That's why we knew they had been hacked. The feebs crawled all over that server and found ----nothing. So give it up there is absolutely no proof that it was hacked but there's a butload of proof it hasn't.

[Vinca]

18. I'm only expressing what I read on a tech site and that is that hackers can hack and not leave

tracks. And what do you mean by "give it up?" Is expressing an idea now automatically viewed as being anti-Hillary? Must I put hearts and flower icons next to a Hillary picture on all my posts to make you people happy? Are we allowed NOT to walk in lock step?

[amandabeech]

20. Plus, when Clinton's people "wiped" the server,

many clues about hackers ended up being destroyed or hopelessly mangled.

The FBI cound't rule out hacking, but it wouldn't say that it didn't happen, either.

[pnwmom]

34. Where is your evidence for that? Comey didn't claim that their wiping

the server destroyed evidence about possible hacking. So from which site are you getting this info?

[pnwmom]

21. We know FOR SURE that the .gov system they wanted her to use WAS HACKED.

Massively. Repeatedly.

We don't have evidence of that about her server, but they're still trying to pretend that she made the wrong choice.

[Vinca]

23. That's got absolutely nothing to do with it.

It doesn't justify the private server. I really don't want to hash this all over again and I'm puzzled you want to extend the discussion.

[pnwmom]

24. It's got everything to do with it. Calling her decision "careless" implies

that there would have been a better outcome if she had used the .gov system instead of her private server.

There wouldn't have been. The .gov system was hackable and it didn't preserve emails. (The OIG March 2015 report shows, for example, that only .0006% were recorded in 2011.) And the .gov system couldn't be used while she was traveling.

Using a non .gov system was a prudent decision, in terms of her desire to be able to do the actual work of the State Department. But politically, no, it wasn't prudent.. She forgot that she will always be under political attack, no matter what.

Even by other so-called progressives.

[Vinca]

25. That wasn't what my post was about.

It was about people with knowledge of technology I don't have saying a server can be hacked without leaving evidence it was hacked. I'm sick to death of talking about Hillary's damn emails and her damn server. I would have thought one of her long time supporters would also be sick of it, but apparently not. Thanks for keeping it in the public eye. Donald thanks you.

[pnwmom]

27. You claim you are sick to death of the subject yet you had to weigh in to dispute

the idea that her server wasn't hacked.

Sorry, but you gave yourself away already. You wanted to get your jab in but you didn't want your jab to be knocked away.

[Vinca]

41. Pardon me for pointing out an interesting technical issue most of us are unaware of.

[pnwmom]

44. Hardly. Maybe you hadn't been aware of that, but it has frequently been mentioned

especially at the anti-Hillary sites.

[pnwmom]

29. She didn't luck into it. She knew the .gov system wasn't functional

when she was traveling, and they wouldn't give her a secure Blackberry. So, she followed the precedent set by other SoS and used a better system than what they were offering in the .gov system. A system that we have no evidence -- unlike the .gov system -- of ever being hacked.

She had no "careless disregard" of national security. That was Comey's smear.

[emulatorloo]

30. You should trademark that phrase before Gowdy (R-Fuckhead) does.

[The Second Stone]

39. Anything that is exculpatory has nothing to do with it

according to you.

[Vinca]

42. Well, pardon me. I thought it was interesting from a technical point of view.

It's a shame we are such bad people when we don't walk in lockstep. Now, I must go in search of hearts and flowers emoticons to insert after every mention of the name Hillary. Apparently that is the only thing that will appease some of you.

[mcar]

11. K&R

[treestar]

12. I agree. They have not the least concern

about that email system. They are only using it as a plausible way to say Hillary did something wrong. They are like little kids, attacking the person instead of the issues. And if that's all they could find, well, it's really boring. It is just like Fast and Furious and all the attempts they made on President Obama. There's nothing there, though they try to fluff it up. This questioning in Congress now shows they are beyond ridiculously desperate.

[greymattermom]

14. Trump is the ultimate little kid then

attacking the person instead of the issue. And Hillary is the ultimate Mom, parent, adult. If Congress tries to whine and shut things down, she'll send them to bed without supper. And I mean cut federal spending in their districts if she can. No crying to mommy for disaster relief if you voted against the bill containing the funds.

[treestar]

15. Haha I like it

Good analogy. Trump is the little boy for sure. And Paul Ryan is a little Eddie Munster boy. They will blame Mom when they didn't vote for the funds!

[ismnotwasm]

16. K&R

[Scurrilous]

38. K & R

[riversedge]

40. There is a mean streak in so many people and it is only

getting worse.

[OnDoutside]

43. Harold Ford jr just sat for 10 minutes as Scarborough attacked Hillary on the 110 classified emails

and said nothing. Her only (marginal) defender was a Bush supporter. Old Harold is looking after his bank balance obviously.