2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumClinton Delegates holding back Progressive Agenda
The Dem Platform has been a mixed bag so far with Hillary's Delegates voting against many Progressive amendments including:
Language against the TPP
Single Payer Healthcare
Specific Language on a Carbon Tax
Revolving Door amendment to keep bankers from occupying regulation positions in government
Ban on Fracking
Discussions are still under way so there could be more to add to this list before the weekend is over, but it's pretty clear who the real Progressives are in that room.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)this point.
Most of the others are a little more nuanced than some people care to believe. I like the last thing Clinton said on Fracking -- basically there needs to be some big changes going forward.
I don't think it's a good idea to come out flatly against TPP. Carbon Tax is fine with me. Can't remember the others, but the platform is not the end all. Plenty of good legislation is backed during the term that is not in the platform.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)litmus than stamping a B on one's forehead for Bernie? I am a real progressive, not a "real" progressive, and your post is offensive.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)The OP points out a truth. If the facts are in error, then please argue on that basis. Hillary, if she has leadership qualities, is calling the shots for the delegates.
ipso facto.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)We all know that's considered an insult by "real" progressives. Not a truth, an insult. You really should respect others when they explain that they consider themselves progressive. Backing progressive government actions has nothing to do with joining a "real" team and proudly pointing to their "real" label.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Not an insult.
charlyvi
(6,537 posts)Now who's being offensive? To claim one has to support every part of Sanders' agenda or one is not a progressive is offensive, and wrong. Bernie's campaign claims he got 80% of what he wanted in the platform. That's an outstanding achievement. Apparently not enough for some the losing candidate's supporters, though.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)If Hillary is a leader of her delegates, then she is responsible for the roadblocks. Progressives are against the TPP, support Single Payer Healthcare and a Carbon Tax, believe corporate money has too much influence in government and that fracking is just another symptom of our dependence on the crack cocaine of oil.
Either criticize the premise, or criticize the reasoning. Any insult you take from this is your own responsibility.
That's the point.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)marginalized, unrepresented, and ineffective. If you prefer to view the new leader of the Democratic Party as "roadblocking" progressivism, though, converting real progress into imagined failure, that has to be your problem.
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)down our throats. This Platform is already being referred to as the Democratic Socialist's Party's agenda by RWers. And before someone reports me by saying that I'm using RW talking points. That is what is being said, so to be in denial won't make it go away. All Democrats are not in safe districts like Bernie's utopia of Vermont. A state which by the way whose Single Payer System went belly up recently because there was no way their Progressive Governor could make the numbers work out. American's in general like their change in small bites. They do not like their change shoved down their throats and everytime the Dems seemed to make little gains into a progressive agenda, they get voted out of office. Like after the ACA was passed, we lost the House and some Senate seats. In 2014 we lost the Senate majority. We have a chance to gain back the Senate and also pick up some House seats. If we go too fast too soon, it will turn off some Independents and some of the Republicans who are not planning on voting for Trump and we could find Trump in the White House, because they think Bernie's Democratic Socialist agenda is too radical, and then we'd have nothing.
The insults are getting old.
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)getting really tired of it too
stopbush
(24,393 posts)of the party is realitively small, and is incapable of rallying support from the non-ultra progressive segments of the party for either their agenda or their candidates.
It's a big tent. Ultra- progressives have a seat at the table, but to imagine they own the table and dictate the agenda is laughable.
DemonGoddess
(4,640 posts)We all get to use that "c" word ya know. COMPROMISE.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)1) that means it's a progressive document;
2) more than fair to the candidate who did not win
DLCWIdem
(1,580 posts)Mika
(17,751 posts)... so, that puts the onus upon the candidate who wants to win in the GE.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)they've done very well for themselves
Mika
(17,751 posts)liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)Yet another post said he got 80% of everything.
"We got 80% of what we wanted in this platform,"--Sanders campaign
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512247607
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)The black population became citizens, but missed out on the vote. Should they have been satisfied?
Or the 15th Amendment giving black men the right to vote, but not women. Should black women have been satisfied?
The idea that 80% of a platform is enough represents a conservative simplistic black-and-white view of a complex system. One might as well be happy if only six of eight of the pistons in a car were firing.
riversedge
(70,175 posts)liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)How many times to we have to be witness to that fact before people wake up and smell the coffee?
George Eliot
(701 posts)The rest proclaim the label but do not walk the walk.
onecaliberal
(32,811 posts)annavictorious
(934 posts)when he caved and folded in 2009 during the ACA debate.
Sanders gave up, broke his promise, voted yes, and went home to Vermont for a nice long holiday.
riversedge
(70,175 posts)...........Discussions are still under way so there could be more to add to this list before the weekend is over, but it's pretty clear who the real Progressives are in that room.
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George Eliot
(701 posts)riversedge
(70,175 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)PROGRESS.
Simple Definition of progress
: movement forward or toward a place
: the process of improving or developing something over a period of time
Source: Merriam-Webster's Learner's Dictionary
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/progress
Also, a Progressive is someone who doesn't demand that people see it their way and their way only, but who is open to compromise in order to keep things moving forward to arrive at a stated goal eventually.
Why is this so hard for some "progressives" to understand?
HerbChestnut
(3,649 posts)Just because someone has a 'D' next to their name doesn't mean that person is a Progressive.
wyldwolf
(43,867 posts)... that all (or even most) Democrats are concerned about a "progressive" agenda.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)mblock
(22 posts)Isn't it better to have 80% or have Trump! SMH
mcar
(42,287 posts)annavictorious
(934 posts)It becomes the name of a specific political group or party.
The Democrats passed a Democratic agenda.
The Democrats passed a progressive agenda.
People who self identify as Progressives (as opposed to Democrats) are unhappy with some of the planks of the Democratic platform. Maybe they should do the hard work of re-forming an actual Progressive party and remake it in their own image.
OnDoutside
(19,949 posts)an election, but are mystified why they don't get everything their way ?
SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)they're solution to defeating TPP isn't convincing folks not to vote for it, it's trying to keep it from coming up for a vote at. all.
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)The TOS is very clear; under "No Divisive Group Attacks":
It's literally word for word.