2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumI am beginning to worry about Trump.....
.. even tho he's an idiot and says things that are disenfranchising every group but privlidged white men.
.. even tho polls show him behind in double digits
.. even tho his support from the majority of his party is lukewarm at best
He continues to put forth a 'we got it in the bag' attitude.
Blatant stealing of the election approaching?
And an even more paranoid idea - he has no intention of being president.. it's a scam to put his VICE-PRESIDENT in the Oval Office... really worry if Cruz gets really chummy before the convention.
RDANGELO
(3,433 posts)He is incapable of serious self criticism. When he loses, he will blame it on anything or anybody but himself.
Doctor Jack
(3,072 posts)Trump has no connections with city and state governments or with companies like Diebold to actually help him steal an election by possibly 7 or 8 million votes. This is all just typical Trump bluster and excessive ego that came from go knows where. Has he ever actually looked in the mirror? He is a hideous man child who's father was the real reason for any illusions of "success" that he had in his life.
sofa king
(10,857 posts)At this moment he's at the very pinnacle of his life. He has surrounded himself with yes-men who constantly fluff his ego, he receives adulation from giant crowds of supporters, and the press hangs on his every word. He is consumed with visions of total success and he honestly believes in himself and his abilities.
This has important implications for the questions surrounding whether or not Trump would actually take office and keep it if he got close enough to steal it. I think it would be impossible for him to willingly give up the job, whatever his prearranged plans. (If he picks sociopath Newt Gingrich as his running mate, though, Gingrich will have other plans for him, regardless.)
When Trump loses he's going to have a "moment of clarity," where his self-esteem crashes and he momentarily sees himself as the loser that he is. He will go into surly reclusion and, briefly, he will even begin to experience empathy for others, perhaps even the myriads he has harmed this year alone. It will be hell on earth for him, exactly as it has been for W, who also expresses more than enough criteria for an armchair diagnosis of Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
But--and this is the problem with all narcissists--he will soon begin to believe his own crap again and likely bounce back. Bush is under immense pressure to stay out of the limelight and not remind anyone of how bad a leader he was; Trump is under no such pressure and he will soon parlay his increased notoriety into still more attention to himself. But it won't be the same. He will always pine for the days when he could really believe in himself and his ability. Small punishment for the damage he has caused.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)He's following his own advice.
RKP5637
(67,104 posts)about those supporting him. He's using them as tools, and faking it all the way.
rurallib
(62,406 posts)Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)He says he's going to win because he believes, to the very bottom of his delusional heart, that he's going to win. He can't conceive of losing, and when, as often happens, he does lose, he finds a way to explain it to himself as somebody else's fault, or spin in some way so that he can tell himself it was actually a win.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Trump's ego and narcissism leave him incapable of considering that he could actually lose. It's no different from how in 2012, Romney was all utterly convinced right up until the results came in that he was going to win, and that he was going to carry every swing state plus PA.
MFM008
(19,805 posts)The orange trash bag should be wired for electric shock therapy daily.
jcgoldie
(11,631 posts)That's really his only positive attribute. He's a bullshitter. I'm not saying he shouldn't be taken seriously, but the last thing that should inspire concern is his attitude of false bravado.
OnDoutside
(19,954 posts)1. He has 15% of the Campaign Staff that Hillary has
2. The Clinton campaign is months ahead
3. The Clinton campaign is way ahead in its use of data to deliver/target their message.
4. Even when he was bankrupting himself 6 times, he still had the outward show of confidence. It's what he does. Even when he met the Reps on the Hill during the week, he begged them to give out the message that they had a "great meeting". It's flim flam.
5. Republican voters are hypocrites and have little if no morality, so even Trump will still get the 41%.
6. Trump has done nothing to win over the floating 10% of independent voters, while Hillary is spending tens of millions on Ads in the key states to set the character of Trump in the minds of voters, without any Ads in return.
7. Trump has such a shallow knowledge of the issues, I would be confident that he will be badly exposed in the debates. Manafort will absolutely coach Trump to play a defensive game, but I'm sure Hillary will goad a reaction out of him, over the course of the debates.
I view this like a 200 or 400m track race where it may appear that the outside runner is ahead, but when the bends unwind, the true leader will become obvious.
sofa king
(10,857 posts)I am hoping for, but not really expecting, erosion of your point #5. I believe that Trump's true core of support is much closer to the "Bush Basement" of around 25%-33%. That's all right-wing authoritarians plus the unusually privileged. Both groups vote more often than we Democrats, unfortunately, so Trump is certainly guaranteed an alarmingly high level of support. One out of three is alarmingly high, to me.
My hope is that from Romney's ironic "base" of 47% another 10-20 percent of Republican voters will find their way out of this election. The Libertarians seem poised to make a strong showing on the backs of the Republicans. Others, I expect, will fall into general disinterest and not participate.
Still more may find themselves hoisted by their own petard of vote suppression. Mitt Romney did a pretty good job of driving off some of the authoritarians, and if they haven't voted since 2008 or 2010, those people may find that their registrations have been purged.
We'll know that happened when they come back and start shooting up polling places on election day, unfortunately.
greymattermom
(5,754 posts)any question on policy will drive him over the top. Losing to a woman will end it. He'll stomp off stage saying that they weren't fair to him. Just like the child he is. He won't be able to stand a mom figure telling him how things are.
Night Watchman
(743 posts)One pretty much has to when considering the possibility of Donald Trump winning the election.
Rosco T.
(6,496 posts).. I never said he could win HONESTLY.
I'm getting the nagging feeling that he has a plan in motion to steal it and is being over confident about it.
sofa king
(10,857 posts)Part of your uncertainty surely stems from the horse-race nature of our terrible press, which always makes runaway general elections look closer than they actually are this time of year. Recent examples include Clinton-Dole, 1996; Obama-McCain, 2008; Obama-Romney 2012. None of those races were actually close races; all of them looked like close races because the media had an interest in making it appear so, particularly in the doldrums of July/August/September.
A considerable number of polling agencies--Rassmussen, for example--also have an incentive to compress the gap. This is the year in which they make the money they will need to struggle along for the next three and a half years. Rassmussen makes its money by telling Republicans what they want to hear, then walking it back in October so they don't look so bad.
Both of these dynamics were successfully used by the Bush cabal to get close enough to steal it, twice, so we are right to be wary of seeing it in action yet again.
But there are already too many factors at work against the Republicans. The presence of a supposed billionaire con-man in the Presidential race appears to have depressed Republican donations across the board. But Trump is working his con and Republican money is going to the top and failing to be spread across thinly gerrymandered House districts. The gerrymandering itself was designed to give Republicans only a few percentage points of advantage in many districts, and the social upheaval they have created has counterbalanced that demographic advantage since 2010. They are defending two dozen Senate seats and over half of those are now at risk. The general trend is that Republicans have been losing their ability to carry statewide races in all but the most ignorant and insignificant states.
Most importantly, there is no third party candidacy which appears to have a broad enough appeal to throw off polls and take entire states away from Mrs. Clinton. Their long-shot of tossing the election into Congress seems doomed to failure now--and that was Paul Ryan's best shot at all this. The safe play for him now would be to sit this out and try to retain his position as Speaker.
Even their base of support has suffered, so Republican attacks are landing thick among former Republican voters: veterans, the nouveau-poor, the nouveau-landless, and those stricken with illness. It's a lot harder to vote against your own best interests when the direct result is poverty and an early death. Die-hards are dying easier and faster. It's a tragic way to effect political change, but that's what's happening.
At this point, part of what we are seeing is a general "bold face" posture by the Republicans as they teeter on the brink of total defeat the likes of which modern Americans have never seen. The basic flaw of conservatism is inability to react to the changes their corrupt policies inevitably cause.
John Poet
(2,510 posts)nothing more. Most every candidate does that.
He can't afford to lose the smaller pie that he's got.