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MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 09:56 AM Jul 2016

After Bernie Sanders endorses Hillary Clinton tomorrow,

There will no longer be any excuse for his supporters not to join him in helping Clinton become President.

Anyone who can't see that as the message from Sanders is probably not on our side in any way, I think. I look forward to Bernie's endorsement and to a Yuuuge turnout in November.

Hillary 2016!

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After Bernie Sanders endorses Hillary Clinton tomorrow, (Original Post) MineralMan Jul 2016 OP
Too good for the Democrats? bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #1
Every vote PJMcK Jul 2016 #4
The house will stay GOP. Remember gerrymandering. JRLeft Jul 2016 #7
That's the conventional wisdom, but MineralMan Jul 2016 #8
Depends on us. Orsino Jul 2016 #13
It is, indeed, up to us. MineralMan Jul 2016 #21
One can dream, right? PJMcK Jul 2016 #9
That depends on the margins... Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #14
Good point. bets hope for a House change is 2022 after the 2020 census. tonyt53 Jul 2016 #15
Unseemly bluedye33139 Jul 2016 #10
I would never command someone how to vote PJMcK Jul 2016 #11
Some of Sanders' more fervent supporters already think he has betrayed them. LonePirate Jul 2016 #2
In that case, they were never on the Democrats' side. MineralMan Jul 2016 #3
Right, doubled down and underlined. Hortensis Jul 2016 #18
I believe the numbers of these will grow smaller with time. We still have Cal33 Jul 2016 #19
Unity is the job of Clinton and her supporters at this point. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #5
You're right, again PJMcK Jul 2016 #6
There will also be no excuse for Clinton supporters on here to keep attacking him democrattotheend Jul 2016 #12
indeed. if everyone is going to do everything they can to defeat Trump, that means Clinton's geek tragedy Jul 2016 #16
...There will no longer be any excuse... HumanityExperiment Jul 2016 #17
LOL! The revolution is not about Bernie. nt Dawgs Jul 2016 #20
There is no revolution. There is, however, an election. MineralMan Jul 2016 #22

bluedye33139

(1,474 posts)
1. Too good for the Democrats?
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 09:58 AM
Jul 2016

This year has proven that there are a lot of progressives who feel they are too good for the Democratic party. I say, be too good somewhere else!

PJMcK

(22,026 posts)
4. Every vote
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 10:07 AM
Jul 2016

Hillary Clinton needs every vote she can get. Her win should not be a squeaker. She needs both Houses to flip and she needs a mandate from the voters to overpower the Republicans.

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
8. That's the conventional wisdom, but
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 10:27 AM
Jul 2016

If Trump depresses Republican turnout sufficiently, regaining a majority in the House is possible. Perhaps unlikely, but with an outstanding GOTV campaign in districts that might be flipped, we could do it in 2016. That's my goal. There are two potential districts in Minnesota that could be flipped, for example. It's a distinct possibility that we can take both of those.

If Trump is the nominee, which seems almost certain, many Republicans will simply stay home on election day. That is our opportunity. We need ever Democrat to vote in November.

GOTV 2016!

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
13. Depends on us.
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 10:57 AM
Jul 2016

There may need to be a lot of nose-holding, but even the most corpirate Dems are less likely to filibuster needed progress. Let's flip the script.

US 2016!

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
21. It is, indeed, up to us.
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 02:21 PM
Jul 2016

We can work hard to get out the vote and change things, or not. I'll be doing that. I hope everyone else does, too.

PJMcK

(22,026 posts)
9. One can dream, right?
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 10:28 AM
Jul 2016

You're most likely correct, JRLeft. But the presidency and the Senate are attainable goals. But so are the local and state campaigns. That's why I suggested that every vote for our side helps across the political terrain.

And I know you already know that. (wink)

Demsrule86

(68,539 posts)
14. That depends on the margins...
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 10:59 AM
Jul 2016

If Hillary wins by a good amount...there is a chance to end the gerrymander...the only other way to end it is to vote out GOP governors...and if that does not happen...then another ten years of this nonsense. We must take a majority of the governorships and/or statehouses by 2020.

 

tonyt53

(5,737 posts)
15. Good point. bets hope for a House change is 2022 after the 2020 census.
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 11:35 AM
Jul 2016

The SCOTUS will nullify many of those gerrymandered districts (and some are DEM) and there will be a huge change.

bluedye33139

(1,474 posts)
10. Unseemly
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 10:37 AM
Jul 2016

It just seems so pointless to command people to support Hillary Clinton and then have them defiantly say how much they hate her. It seems like a really stupid and one-dimensional verbal game. People who hate Hillary Clinton this much and who believe every Republican talking point about her I believe should be written off.

PJMcK

(22,026 posts)
11. I would never command someone how to vote
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 10:49 AM
Jul 2016

In fact, except for giving directions at work, I wouldn't command anyone to do anything, bluedye.

My point was that there is a great need for our country to rid itself of the Republican cancer that exists at every level of our governments, from the president all the way down to dog catcher. So, every vote that comes our way is fine by me.

I agree with you whole-heartedly that those people who hate Secretary Clinton, whether from the right or the left, probably won't vote for her anyway. It would be unseemly to beg them for their vote. But we still need that Democratic dog catcher!

LonePirate

(13,414 posts)
2. Some of Sanders' more fervent supporters already think he has betrayed them.
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 10:01 AM
Jul 2016

While most of his supporters will now back Hillary, there are some who will support Trump, Johnson, Stein or no one.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
18. Right, doubled down and underlined.
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 12:14 PM
Jul 2016

Those who never would have we can forget about except to smack them down when they show up here trying to undermine our candidates and/or party.

Those who are just not ready to decide, or admit a decision, should be left alone to make up their minds. None of them needs to present an excuse for supporting or not supporting anyone, just respect the terms and goals of the site.

 

Cal33

(7,018 posts)
19. I believe the numbers of these will grow smaller with time. We still have
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 12:21 PM
Jul 2016

4 months to go before the General Election, and that's a lot of time. Also,
Trump is too much for people to take - even for many Republicans. I just
can't see him winning in a GE against anyone. Still, I agree we should all
do our best, just to be on the safe side.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
5. Unity is the job of Clinton and her supporters at this point.
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 10:08 AM
Jul 2016

It has been clear for months as to who the nominee is going to be. The fact Clinton walked away with this one is why unification has happened in such quick order. While Sanders endorsement isn't insignificant, I will argue at this late point that it will help him more than Clinton. Strange times.

PJMcK

(22,026 posts)
6. You're right, again
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 10:12 AM
Jul 2016

Once the fall campaign begins, don't you think that most left-leaning voters will usually vote for the Democratic nominee?

Also, doesn't it seem to you, MineralMan, that the loudest voices often represent the smallest minority? Perhaps the influence of the Sanders Diehards is far less than they claim.

It's really quite simple, now. We need to elect Democratic candidates up and down the ballot.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
12. There will also be no excuse for Clinton supporters on here to keep attacking him
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 10:51 AM
Jul 2016

You certainly have not been one of them - you have been very fair. But even after it was announced that Bernie would endorse Hillary, several Clinton supporters on here have been grumbling about how it's too little too late. Unity goes both ways.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
16. indeed. if everyone is going to do everything they can to defeat Trump, that means Clinton's
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 11:38 AM
Jul 2016

primary supporters need to bury any animosity they have towards Sanders and his Democratic supporters. Not an unreasonable sacrifice.

 

HumanityExperiment

(1,442 posts)
17. ...There will no longer be any excuse...
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 12:08 PM
Jul 2016

what 'switch' is flipped here for that to such a blanket statement MM?

MineralMan

(146,284 posts)
22. There is no revolution. There is, however, an election.
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 02:32 PM
Jul 2016

My post is about an election and people voting in that election.

Bernie Sanders is going to recommend that his supporters vote for Hillary Clinton. That's what this post is about.

I've not seen any announcement of any revolution. Perhaps you have.

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