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midnight

(26,624 posts)
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 09:14 PM Jul 2016

Pro-Fracking, Pro-Colonialism, Anti-Single Payer disapoints so the progressives fight on.

"Dr. Cornel West, a Bernie Sanders appointee to the committee, at one point called on progressives to "keep the pressure on" elites to bring about real change.

Sanders supporters also vowed to "take the fight to Philadelphia" to the Democratic Party convention in a last-ditch effort to pressure the party to support the progressive issues at the core of Sanders' presidential run. The convention runs from July 25-28 in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.

Those opposing the TPP are hoping to force a floor vote on the trade deal at the party's convention. Both leading Democratic candidates publicly oppose the TPP."

http://commondreams.org/news/2016/07/10/pro-fracking-pro-colonialism-anti-single-payer-dem-platform-disappoints

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Pro-Fracking, Pro-Colonialism, Anti-Single Payer disapoints so the progressives fight on. (Original Post) midnight Jul 2016 OP
If Japan or Canada builds a plant here, is that "colonialism?" Is Public Option,which would lead to Hoyt Jul 2016 #1
If Japan or Canada build a plant here and take over part of the Govt. I believe that would be midnight Jul 2016 #2
They won't take over part of our government. You need to do more research on the ISDS. Hoyt Jul 2016 #10
Actually I gave you a link to help on this topic. midnight Jul 2016 #13
Boy, those are some real experts and link says nothing about corporate takeover, nor does TPP. Hoyt Jul 2016 #15
You should add your expertise link. midnight Jul 2016 #20
No "expert," but I have read the agreement, studied why countries want these agreements and ISDS, Hoyt Jul 2016 #23
You are entitled to your own opinion. midnight Jul 2016 #27
Toyota in Tennessee pays no taxes. Octafish Jul 2016 #7
They pay rural people who wouldn't have a decent job. That's why Tennessee gave them tax incentives Hoyt Jul 2016 #11
Stupid American auto workers. Octafish Jul 2016 #12
I'd rather progressives continue to fight in the Dem party than run off to the Greens. Barack_America Jul 2016 #3
TPP In Democratic Party Platform Is A ‘Whose Side Are You On?’ Moment midnight Jul 2016 #4
Turning away from populism and towards the TPP would be... Barack_America Jul 2016 #5
I would be quite wonderful to defeat Obama's TPP Trajan Jul 2016 #26
Cornel West calls President Obama a "house n*****". West is a disgrace. Lord Magus Jul 2016 #6
Lord do you have a link? midnight Jul 2016 #21
CommonFantasies "hearts" Cornell West. JoePhilly Jul 2016 #8
The sun rises in the morning, so the progressives fight on. Orsino Jul 2016 #9
Will the TPP become the next Iraq War type of vote for Democrats? jalan48 Jul 2016 #14
If the last buggy whip maker blames his demise on the TPP and people believe it, maybe. Hoyt Jul 2016 #16
Millions believe the huckster Trump right now. jalan48 Jul 2016 #17
Who cares what Trump supporters think, they are ignorant racists for the most part. Hoyt Jul 2016 #18
As a Democrat I care about how support for the TPP will be framed down the road. jalan48 Jul 2016 #19
I'll go with future, and fact environmental issues can be handled by other agreements, Paris Accord Hoyt Jul 2016 #22
I have no interest in supporting a big business, Republican Party wet dream. jalan48 Jul 2016 #24
Not really, but fortunately we elect government officials to determine what is best long-term Hoyt Jul 2016 #25
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
1. If Japan or Canada builds a plant here, is that "colonialism?" Is Public Option,which would lead to
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 09:32 PM
Jul 2016

Single Payer if vast majority of consumers choose it over private insurance, a major step toward single payer?

Franking I'll leave to those who understand the issue better, and hopefully understand what is required to get off coal, oil and nuclear as quickly as reasonably possible.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
15. Boy, those are some real experts and link says nothing about corporate takeover, nor does TPP.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 12:37 PM
Jul 2016
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
23. No "expert," but I have read the agreement, studied why countries want these agreements and ISDS,
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 01:13 PM
Jul 2016

truth that these agreements are not the main reason some jobs have diminished in recent decades, why people blame NAFTA for things caused by other factors (as Krugman describes it), why European Union has similar agreements among their membership, etc.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
7. Toyota in Tennessee pays no taxes.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 08:21 AM
Jul 2016

Yet, they require all manner of taxpayer support, including infrastructure, police protection, and schools. Then there are the jobs lost at American car companies due to lost sales.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
11. They pay rural people who wouldn't have a decent job. That's why Tennessee gave them tax incentives
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 09:30 AM
Jul 2016

American car companies lost jobs when they continued to build gas guzzlers that would fall apart on the streets.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
3. I'd rather progressives continue to fight in the Dem party than run off to the Greens.
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 11:32 PM
Jul 2016

So, good. I'm particularly looking forward to that TPP floor vote.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
5. Turning away from populism and towards the TPP would be...
Mon Jul 11, 2016, 11:54 PM
Jul 2016

...a defining moment in the downfall of the Democratic Party.

Let's hope it doesn't happen.

Feel free to scapegoat us "fringe" "far left" "purist" progressives, we'll serve as cover for handing Obama this defeat.

 

Trajan

(19,089 posts)
26. I would be quite wonderful to defeat Obama's TPP
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 02:16 PM
Jul 2016

How Obama ever got to this point is beyond comprehension ...

Who would vote in favor of such a monstrous trade travesty ...

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
6. Cornel West calls President Obama a "house n*****". West is a disgrace.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 12:13 AM
Jul 2016

And Bernie made a huge mistake appointing that blowhard to the platform committee.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
8. CommonFantasies "hearts" Cornell West.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 08:55 AM
Jul 2016

Both hate Obama, Hillary, and the majority of other Democrats, so their love for West makes sense.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
9. The sun rises in the morning, so the progressives fight on.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 09:21 AM
Jul 2016

The change we need isn't going to appear in July. As citizens, we are onbliged to fight for our common interests for the rest of our lives.

jalan48

(13,798 posts)
14. Will the TPP become the next Iraq War type of vote for Democrats?
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 11:43 AM
Jul 2016

All Democrats agree today that the Iraq War was a huge mistake but that didn't stop many of them from voting to support Bush in 2002/2003. However, there were Democrats who voted against it back then despite all the Republican and corporate media cheerleading. The problem for Democrats and the TPP is that they will own it since it's our President who is championing it.

jalan48

(13,798 posts)
17. Millions believe the huckster Trump right now.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 12:45 PM
Jul 2016

When the TPP becomes the Obama Trade Bill what do you think they will believe?

jalan48

(13,798 posts)
19. As a Democrat I care about how support for the TPP will be framed down the road.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 01:02 PM
Jul 2016

I'll go with labor and environmental groups on this one. Not multi-national corporations and the Republican party.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
22. I'll go with future, and fact environmental issues can be handled by other agreements, Paris Accord
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 01:09 PM
Jul 2016

as and example, that was negotiated at same time. Don't think we can produce funds for everything we want -- healthcare, education, welfare, jobs, housing, food stamps, etc. -- trading among our selves or returning to Nationalism and America Firstism.

jalan48

(13,798 posts)
24. I have no interest in supporting a big business, Republican Party wet dream.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 01:13 PM
Jul 2016

Too much secrecy, too much power given over to business tribunals.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
25. Not really, but fortunately we elect government officials to determine what is best long-term
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 01:16 PM
Jul 2016

for the populace. Sometimes they screw up, admittedly, but don't think the TPP is one of those times, especially if one can recognize the importance of these agreements in ways not directly related to trade.

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