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Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 02:00 PM Jul 2016

My sincere thank you to Hillary supporters who stayed calm while awaiting Bernie endorsing.

I noticed and appreciated your attitude in real time as the Democratic Presidential primary end game played out here at DU and in the nation at large. There were several of you who were quite clear about allowing Bernie to reach this point at the pace that made sense to him (and IMO for the Democratic Party also). Some of you openly stated opinions to the effect that as long as Sanders no longer played offense against Hillary that it was Bernie's choice to make when (and even if) he endorsed Hillary. And you gave him that space without criticism.Thank you all for that.

I long said that the deadline for achieving relative party unity was at the Democratic Convention itself. We got there before then. I believe that the discussions (and yes even negotiations) that took place between the two campaigns after the DC primary leading up to this point were constructive; good for the nation and good for the Democratic Party. While some DU supporters of Clinton were having tantrums over Bernie "refusing to endorse Hillary" or his supposedly "sabotaging party unity", others were willing to let it all play out without leveling premature accusations.

This is my hat tip to all the Hillary supporters here who were willing to wait patiently for this moment to come to natural fruition. You too played an important role in furthering the spirit of unity.

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My sincere thank you to Hillary supporters who stayed calm while awaiting Bernie endorsing. (Original Post) Tom Rinaldo Jul 2016 OP
"Tantrums"? Seriously? NurseJackie Jul 2016 #1
I saw no tantrums on the part of Hillary supporters. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2016 #3
oh please, people on here were having meltdowns left and right because he hadn't dropped out m-lekktor Jul 2016 #5
There were many. (nt) villager Jul 2016 #10
Yes. Ugly nasty Arazi Jul 2016 #20
It's a big board - lots of room for differing approaches Tom Rinaldo Jul 2016 #6
Sometimes politicians do things consistently that earn my respect. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #2
As one of the ones who may have veered into the "tantrum" side, mea culpa. DanTex Jul 2016 #4
Let's move forward, thanks still_one Jul 2016 #7
Agree. Thanks. Hortensis Jul 2016 #14
I feel much more comfortable agreeing with Bernie Sanders than disagreeing with him geek tragedy Jul 2016 #8
Thanks for the hat tip (whether meant for me personally or not). That said, the demeaning Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #9
I clarified some in a reply above Tom Rinaldo Jul 2016 #11
Thanks for the clarification. Agree that there was OTT rhetoric on both sides, some of it Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #12
Don't know if I'm one of those your nice message Hortensis Jul 2016 #15
Well good news - you still have time to edit it and take the devisive and demeaning language out. Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #16
The contrast was intentional so it would be dishonest to edit the OP. Tom Rinaldo Jul 2016 #17
Sorry to disappoint you rock Jul 2016 #13
Yeah. Both of them. n/t RobertEarl Jul 2016 #18
Don't know if... JSup Jul 2016 #19
More than fair Tom Rinaldo Jul 2016 #21
I was appalled with myself when I got a post hidden, so I ohheckyeah Jul 2016 #22
It's a good and wise person who takes life's lessons seriously Tom Rinaldo Jul 2016 #23
I hope I stick around for a long time, too. ohheckyeah Jul 2016 #24

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
1. "Tantrums"? Seriously?
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 02:04 PM
Jul 2016

It sounded believable and sincere up until that point. But with that one word, the message was revealed to be a cheap parting-shot that was probably motivated by bitterness and resentment. So much for "furthering the spirit of unity", eh?

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
5. oh please, people on here were having meltdowns left and right because he hadn't dropped out
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 02:18 PM
Jul 2016

immediately and endorsed her, calling him every name in the book.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
6. It's a big board - lots of room for differing approaches
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 02:18 PM
Jul 2016

For the record I do not accuse all Hillary supporters who were "impatient" over how long a Sanders endorsement took of having tantrums over it. Many who were upset with Bernie not endorsing sooner simply expressed concern and other appropriate sentiments. Some in my opinion however were having a tantrum over it. I did not call out anyone personally - and I welcome this opportunity to clarify my opinion further. The people who I openly and sincerely thanked exhibited the patience I appreciated. I do not mean to chastise most of the Hillary supporters who didn't.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
2. Sometimes politicians do things consistently that earn my respect.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 02:10 PM
Jul 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512123864

I also understand the "tantrums" you refer to and respect them as well. This is real. The outcomes are real. Not sure I would call them tantrums.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
4. As one of the ones who may have veered into the "tantrum" side, mea culpa.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 02:15 PM
Jul 2016

The timing was right, Bernie knew what he was doing.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
9. Thanks for the hat tip (whether meant for me personally or not). That said, the demeaning
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 02:27 PM
Jul 2016

of justifiable frustration as "tantrums", sort of sabotages your intended gratitude.

One person's understandable adult anger may be mistaken by another as a childish temper tantrum.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
11. I clarified some in a reply above
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 02:44 PM
Jul 2016

Sure I'm still upset about some of the attacks some here made against Bernie Sanders after the primaries ended. You and I might differ over individual instances but I bet we could find some we could both agree were "over the top" - same goes for attacks on Hillary of course, but she is the one who won the nomination crown and who benefits most directly from forging party unity.

This OP was meant to thank some very specific people who I think displayed good sense and foresight with their patience. I did not mean though to attack all who felt frustrated by the wait.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
12. Thanks for the clarification. Agree that there was OTT rhetoric on both sides, some of it
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 02:51 PM
Jul 2016

just overt, uncalled-for baiting.

Let's take courage and common cause from this inspiring and symbolic event.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
15. Don't know if I'm one of those your nice message
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 03:58 PM
Jul 2016

was particularly addressed to, but it is a nice one and timely. Moving on to defeat the ultraconservative anti-statists' threat to our nation does not require forgetting, or even forgiving for those who find that hard, but just refocusing.

Maru Kitteh

(28,339 posts)
16. Well good news - you still have time to edit it and take the devisive and demeaning language out.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 04:09 PM
Jul 2016

You're very good with words, and I'm confident you have the ability to edit your OP so that your message expresses your sentiments without continuing to divide. If that is your intention.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
17. The contrast was intentional so it would be dishonest to edit the OP.
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 04:31 PM
Jul 2016

The focus was on thanking some people, both for how they did and did not act, and the bulk of the OP did just that. I had no problem with clarifying my thoughts, so I did, twice in replies. This never had anything to do with those who simply said stuff like "it's time for Sanders to get drop out and endorse Clinton" or those who expressed concern that Sanders not conceding yet was somehow hurting Hilary's chances. Those type sentiments are not "tantrums" but some others IMO were. If the shoe doesn't fit, don't wear it.

And for the record, there are far more divisive things to say than that tantrums were observed. No doubt I've throw more than one here at some time over the years.

rock

(13,218 posts)
13. Sorry to disappoint you
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 03:49 PM
Jul 2016

Oh, I did stay calm... but once Bernie became irrelevant, i.e. shortly after Clinton got to the target of ~2300 delegates. I haven't paid any attention to Bernie since. In fact, I don't even know if Bernie has already endorsed Hillary or is about endorse her or even something else - it's not important.

JSup

(740 posts)
19. Don't know if...
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 08:25 PM
Jul 2016

...you noticed me and I'd say "You're welcome" but it's not something I really gave much thought to. My thoughts were "He'll screw us or he won't" and I tend towards optimism even in times like these, so benefit of the doubt.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
21. More than fair
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 09:02 PM
Jul 2016

Any type of wait and see attitude was level headed. There would always have been time to get angry later if things did not work out. Your stance makes sense to me

ohheckyeah

(9,314 posts)
22. I was appalled with myself when I got a post hidden, so I
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 09:12 PM
Jul 2016

decided to chill out. Chill is better for the blood pressure. After ending up in a wheelchair from two strokes in a year and a half, i pay more attention to these things.

Tom Rinaldo

(22,912 posts)
23. It's a good and wise person who takes life's lessons seriously
Tue Jul 12, 2016, 10:24 PM
Jul 2016

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