2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy Hillary should not pick Tim Kaine:
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Disclaimer: I do think that Tim Kaine can be competent. He is a better pick than many I thought Hillary might have chosen; he is certainly to the left of many "blue dogs." However, I do not think he is the best choice, because he would not be able to play to the strengths of the Hillary campaign as well as others.
It is easy to say elections should be about deciding who would be the bureaucrat that would best be able to sign from a and implement procedure B, we know this is not the case, and so does Hillary. If Hillary had been born Harry, he/she would not doubt be a credible, competent policy maker, regardless of chromosome XX or XY. However she knew that because she was a woman, that the idea of "breaking the glass ceiling" was every bit as important to the dialogue as her trade policy. That was reinforced when the desperate GOP brought in Palin, who made that same "glass ceiling" quote, less than 5 minutes after the camera introduced her. Yes, elections are about policy, but they are also a means to define the character of the nation. I understand that turns many off who would want to think this is about widget a and paragraph b, but if nothing else, the disaster that is happening to the British now is a warning about what happens when Technocrats think they do not have to make a connection to the hearts as well as the heads of people.
The fact that Trump is all Heart and no head does not make him weaker. Hillary knows that she will NOT be able to beat Trump by showing he is an idiot; that is why idiots like him. She will not do it by showing he is a bigot, that is why bigots like him. That is why he mowed even seasoned warriors like Jeb Bush down. If we are going to win, we need our own narrative, our own appeal to the heart. Yes, Hillary packs a lot of that, but she does not need to water it down, but ignite it, because that is what will get people out to the polls. That is what will make people in the swing states deal with their GOP governments attempt to challenge votes, or deal with harassment by GOP supporters, many of whom brag about how they can be armed. In my Florida, I can tell you the wolves are in full howl mode allover talk radio and those mega churches.
So, why not Tim Kaine, because the main fight against trump is that he represents those who want to ROLL THINGS BACK to when ANGLOSAXON MALES ran the show. The narrative they are preparing is to make the whole Obama Clinton era some fluke, some illegitimate things easily buried by force and their media. We need to be able to say that a Hillary Election is a once in a lifetime chance to kill that narrative, to make sure that if even, heaven forbid, another "lone wolf gunman" tries to send Hillary to meet JFK (and don't think that certain forces do not already have the champagne chilled for that) even if they do, the person who will take charge will be another person that does not look like the others.
and it is not like we do not have a bunch of excellent choices:
Tom Perez, Hispanic, sec of labor
Liz Warren, yet another glass ceiling breaker
Xavier Becerra,
Sherrod Brown (aka the one hope we have of winning Ohio)
as well as many others, from kathleen sibelius on.
If you want people to crawl through the barbed wire that the GOP will put up, they will need fire. Tim kaine cannot light that.
morningfog
(18,115 posts)I like Brown a lot, but we need the senate seat.
Becerra is a great choice. I don't think it will be Kaine.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)away from him. I am now thinking she will pick Tom Vilsack.
Of course, it is also possible that Trump will pick Christie and Hillary will decide that she needs a heavyweight. That could lead her to pick Elizabeth Warren.
BTW, can you help me? Did I pick the right word above, in my subject line, when I wrote "moved." Was it supposed to be "moven?"
morningfog
(18,115 posts)StevieM
(10,500 posts)DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)the way Jeb Bush got mowed down like heavy Florida grass.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)I was asking if it was a legitimate word. Apparently it is not.
SheriffBob
(552 posts)He tells it like it is.
akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)Peregrine Took
(7,412 posts)OMG - no personality no charisma -no nothin'!
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)Expecting Rain
(811 posts)...most of all is someone with a lot of heart who can connect with people on an emotional level (in addition to having a deep intellect) and that person should have a fighting spirit and warm personality.
Warren has these qualities.
Joe Biden has these qualities.
Even Cory Booker has these qualities.
Not seeing it in the other names mentioned. The above qualities are more important in my estimation that region, ethnicity, gender, or place on the mainstream political spectrum.
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)as you made my point better than I did
FSogol
(45,472 posts)really know him. Check out what he said when he met the families of shooting victims at VA Tech. Also:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/14/politics/tim-kaine-hillary-clinton-guns/
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)NT
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)for one and only one reason, Ohio. We know the governor is prepped to offer Ohio to Trump.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)to counter her Patron Saint of Wall St. image with many voters. Staying within her own Blue Dog coalition is not the proper path forward IMO for this election cycle.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)I wonder why the shift?