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VP choices really do not make a difference, I was hoping she would pick (Original Post) JRLeft Jul 2016 OP
VP choices can make a huge difference, McCain/Palin, for instance. uppityperson Jul 2016 #1
same here... chillfactor Jul 2016 #2
We definitely needed youth on the ticket. JRLeft Jul 2016 #3
Which youth do you think would have wonderfully Hortensis Jul 2016 #13
I care about VP...it will be a deciding factor for me. Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #4
Who do you want it to be? I think it will be Kaine. JRLeft Jul 2016 #5
Warren please. Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #6
Warren was eliminated according to those who watch MSNBC. JRLeft Jul 2016 #7
Elizabeth Warren has not been ruled out by the Clinton campaign. w4rma Jul 2016 #10
She should find some youthful and inspiring. JRLeft Jul 2016 #11
Warren inspires the youth about as much as Sanders does. w4rma Jul 2016 #12
I'm a Bernie supporter check my history, a lot of his supporters will back her and JRLeft Jul 2016 #40
Those other voters can be convinced, over time, to vote for a Vice President Elizabeth Warren. w4rma Jul 2016 #41
I'm serious those people are gone and it's not that big of a group. JRLeft Jul 2016 #44
They are only gone if you treat them as if they are gone. Some people want them gone, though. w4rma Jul 2016 #47
I'm not a neoconservative or a neoliberal that was my problem with Hillary. JRLeft Jul 2016 #51
Good for you. (nt) w4rma Jul 2016 #52
Like maybe a NorthCarolina Jul 2016 #25
No. Unfortunately Americans really are too bigoted to accept a Muslim at the top of the ticket. w4rma Jul 2016 #48
That's not gonna happen. n/t Lil Missy Jul 2016 #14
Deciding what, pray tell? Darb Jul 2016 #18
This could be seen as bait. Silver_Witch Jul 2016 #28
It should be seen as what it is, a question. Darb Jul 2016 #29
I am only hoping she picks a strong progressive with a strong voice and impeccable integrity andym Jul 2016 #8
She probably picks a Wall Street friendly VP. JRLeft Jul 2016 #9
Gore was a young VP...still made a lousy candidate brooklynite Jul 2016 #15
Actually, most VPs and other "his turn" folks TexasBushwhacker Jul 2016 #30
Tim Kaine is 58. BlueStater Jul 2016 #16
And he speaks Spanish n/t TexasBushwhacker Jul 2016 #31
We think alike on that point. I'd have liked it to be ... NurseJackie Jul 2016 #17
My political wonk, congress lover BIL thinks it should be.......... Darb Jul 2016 #19
Being from a swing state, he would be a good choice TexasBushwhacker Jul 2016 #32
My BIL is totally into the whole balance of power thing, with Darb Jul 2016 #33
I think this year the VP choice will make a huge difference. Vinca Jul 2016 #20
I agree. And Senator Kaine is not a 'safe' choice, nor does he generate any excitement. (nt) w4rma Jul 2016 #21
Why is he not "safe"? Darb Jul 2016 #34
He wins in Virginia because he stays below the radar. But, he has a laundry list of unpopular votes. w4rma Jul 2016 #35
Not following, sorry. Darb Jul 2016 #36
Schapiro: Kaine helps Clinton by sitting tight in Senate w4rma Jul 2016 #38
Good point about the Senate seat. Darb Jul 2016 #39
There is NEVER "midterm" sized turnout in a presidential election. Lord Magus Jul 2016 #22
Well the Republicans have had record turnouts for their primaries, so far. (nt) w4rma Jul 2016 #23
They had like 80 people running. nt auntpurl Jul 2016 #45
They still had record turnout when there were only a couple left. (nt) w4rma Jul 2016 #49
One thing's for certain Zorro Jul 2016 #24
I'd rather those "howls of anger" come from her donors, rather than the voters. (nt) w4rma Jul 2016 #26
VP is very important. CrispyQ Jul 2016 #27
The younger voters don't want superficial. (nt) w4rma Jul 2016 #43
I don't want Kaine. hamsterjill Jul 2016 #37
I trust the nominee to choose her running Mate Her Sister Jul 2016 #42
Good. You are among a group of voters that Clinton should not be targeting with her pick, then. (nt) w4rma Jul 2016 #46
If this thread proved anything, it's that there is no MSMITH33156 Jul 2016 #50

chillfactor

(7,570 posts)
2. same here...
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 12:08 AM
Jul 2016

we need to bolster some of the younger Democrats..and many good ones out there....who will around for a few years....that is why I was hoping she would choose Castro.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
13. Which youth do you think would have wonderfully
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 01:42 AM
Jul 2016

galvanized the "selfie" generation more than the promise of change and our 74/almost 75-year-old candidate have, though?

Castro's youth, 41, looking like 21-31 and without whatever he's going to accomplish in the next decade on his resume, would be a negative the right wing would pounce on.

Obama was later 40s and won the primary by running against someone carrying the terrible handicap of being the first woman headed for the oval office. He looked a youthful, confident middle age without looking kiddish, though, and did get the youth vote. Sanders' success begs the question, though, of whether the bigger factor was his relatively youthful appearance or an appeal to the youthful optimism that, yes, we can be the healthy and prosperous nation of open, liberal principles the Republicans insist is impossible?

Btw, I disagree that the VP choice will not make a difference. Sometimes no, but this election, yes. We simply cannot afford to lose this one.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
12. Warren inspires the youth about as much as Sanders does.
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 01:22 AM
Jul 2016

The youth aren't going to fall for a superficial pick, like you seem to be suggesting. In fact, a superficial pick will antagonize the youth.

 

JRLeft

(7,010 posts)
40. I'm a Bernie supporter check my history, a lot of his supporters will back her and
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 11:09 AM
Jul 2016

there are some that won't vote for Hillary ever. EW won't change that.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
41. Those other voters can be convinced, over time, to vote for a Vice President Elizabeth Warren.
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 11:12 AM
Jul 2016

But, these other choices on Hillary's short lists? Nope.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
47. They are only gone if you treat them as if they are gone. Some people want them gone, though.
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 11:17 AM
Jul 2016

Those same people want to rely on neoconservative voters. It's a loser tactic, but that's what they want.

 

NorthCarolina

(11,197 posts)
25. Like maybe a
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 11:50 AM
Jul 2016

Congressman Keith Ellison? Plenty progressive enough for Sanders folk to take a second look, and he's a Muslim to boot.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
48. No. Unfortunately Americans really are too bigoted to accept a Muslim at the top of the ticket.
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 11:19 AM
Jul 2016

Remember that President Obama spent his entire Presidency defending against the "smear" that he is a Muslim. Maybe one day after we have some peace in the Middle East.

Anyway, picking a candidate just because they look "youthful" is so superficial that younger voters will be antagonized by the choice, rather than gravitate to it.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
18. Deciding what, pray tell?
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 07:59 AM
Jul 2016

Is it really that hard? So if she chooses Bill Nelson from FL you are going to vote Trump? Because you love Chrispie Chreme?

 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
28. This could be seen as bait.
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 02:37 PM
Jul 2016

The VP means a great deal to me period. I care sorry that bothers u!

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
29. It should be seen as what it is, a question.
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 10:26 AM
Jul 2016

That you won't answer, apparently. At least not yet.


andym

(5,442 posts)
8. I am only hoping she picks a strong progressive with a strong voice and impeccable integrity
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 12:41 AM
Jul 2016

There are obvious choices. But having someone to deflect criticism about her supposed Wall Street connections, which have received a lot of airplay, would be of great utility in a year when so many are worried about the influence of special interests.

BlueStater

(7,596 posts)
16. Tim Kaine is 58.
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 02:05 AM
Jul 2016

That is not remotely old. In eight years, he'll still be younger than Hillary and Trump are NOW.

Kaine wasn't my first choice but I like him the best out of everyone who still has a chance.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
19. My political wonk, congress lover BIL thinks it should be..........
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 08:01 AM
Jul 2016

Bill Nelson, senator from Florida.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,116 posts)
32. Being from a swing state, he would be a good choice
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 10:37 AM
Jul 2016

Unfortunately, at 73, I think he's too old to be considered a strong VP. He's also a moderate Democrat. I would love for her to choose someone more progressive.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
33. My BIL is totally into the whole balance of power thing, with
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 10:43 AM
Jul 2016

his preferred branch the legislative, having been a page (paige?) in the early seventies. He believes that the Executive needs to work constantly and carefully with the Congress and believes that was the failing of Obama, to not work better with Congress. He acknowledges the race factor, which made working with Congress impossible for Obama, but still thinks he could have done better. But that is his reasoning for Nelson, he is a powerful influence in the Congress.

I didn't know he was that old.

Vinca

(50,233 posts)
20. I think this year the VP choice will make a huge difference.
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 08:04 AM
Jul 2016

Hillary would be wise to choose a left-leaning person who can create some excitement and interest in the campaign. If we have a "midterm" sized turnout in November, Trump wins.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
21. I agree. And Senator Kaine is not a 'safe' choice, nor does he generate any excitement. (nt)
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 11:14 AM
Jul 2016
 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
35. He wins in Virginia because he stays below the radar. But, he has a laundry list of unpopular votes.
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 10:49 AM
Jul 2016

Take him above the radar and picking him could cost the Democrats all of the work that we've done towards moving Virginia into a reliably Democratic voting state for the first time since before Bill Clinton.

The voters aren't particularly enamored with Kaine, but the big business donors are.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
36. Not following, sorry.
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 10:52 AM
Jul 2016

If the point that you are making is that he could cost us in some more progressive areas (I'd like to know where) then maybe those votes of which you speak but do not name might come into play. However, Kaine has won in Virginia a number of times on the commonwealth level, how could he hurt there?

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
38. Schapiro: Kaine helps Clinton by sitting tight in Senate
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 11:04 AM
Jul 2016

Maybe the best thing Tim Kaine can do for Hillary Clinton is stay in the U.S. Senate.

It’s no secret that Kaine is a vice presidential prospect. It’s not the first time. In 2008, when he was Virginia’s governor, Kaine made Barack Obama’s short list but lost out to Joe Biden, because the then-Delaware senator brought gray hair and a global view to a Democratic ticket that lacked both.

But assume a Clinton-Kaine ticket — and assume that it wins: Kaine would resign his seat. McAuliffe would appoint an interim senator who would have defend the seat in 2018, but possibly in 2017 — depending on the timing of the vacancy.
http://www.richmond.com/news/virginia/government-politics/jeff-schapiro/article_f0be0189-3b38-582a-908d-6719be1d41b9.html

Other than tactical reasons, many Virginians' are still angry at Kaine for the way he implemented his cigarette smoking ban and his vote to fast track the TPP will also cost him votes with those same types of voters plus every one of Sanders's voters.

 

Darb

(2,807 posts)
39. Good point about the Senate seat.
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 11:09 AM
Jul 2016

That is valid. Cigarette and Sanders voters I am not so sure about, they are not the same people and I have higher regard for Sanders voters than to sit tight and let T Rump win, and even less likely to vote T Rump. The cigarette voters are probably mouth breathers anyway.

TPP? Maybe.

CrispyQ

(36,410 posts)
27. VP is very important.
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 12:04 PM
Jul 2016

I hope she picks someone to the left of her & someone young. I would love if she chose Martin O'Malley, but I know he's not being considered.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
37. I don't want Kaine.
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 10:56 AM
Jul 2016

The Vice President presides over the Senate, and with the possibility of at least 2 appointments to be made by the next POTUS, I don't want someone who is "pro-life" in that role when confirmation hearings are held.

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
42. I trust the nominee to choose her running Mate
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 11:13 AM
Jul 2016

And not a deciding factor for me. HRC is my choice!

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
46. Good. You are among a group of voters that Clinton should not be targeting with her pick, then. (nt)
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 11:15 AM
Jul 2016

MSMITH33156

(879 posts)
50. If this thread proved anything, it's that there is no
Fri Jul 15, 2016, 11:33 AM
Jul 2016

"right" answer here. She should just pick whoever she would feel comfortable with running the country if something happened to her and move on.

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