I'm not liking the poll numbers, and I'm not the only one according to what I see on this board.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

Hillary BETTER win this election.

[liberal N proud]

1. Remain calm and GOTV

Polls are crazy this time of year, the GOPers get their little bump then the Democratic Convention will happen and it will bump and then by labor day, you can start thinking about it.

Many people don't even get going on this stuff until after the conventions.

[yeoman6987]

26. People always talk change until they step in the voter box

Then reality hits. Voters will want Hillary for continued direction of the United States. Voters are not totally dumb.

[SkeleTim1968]

85. I beg to differ.

Imo voters were "dumb" in 1980, 2000, 2004, 2010 and 2014

[yeoman6987]

86. Well when you provide that truth, you are correct.

[SkeleTim1968]

87. I can't believe the poll numbers everywhere are so close.

Even 6 point spread just isn't enough.

What is wrong with people?
I keep seeing interviews where they say they like him because he "tells it like it is" or "says what I'm thinking"

It's easily provable he's a liar, he's as full of dung as they come.
This is what people are thinking? That down right petrifies me.
we were told Trump would never become the GOP nominee. He did.
We thought Brits would never vote to leave the EU and they did.

I am afraid.
I really am.
These people don't appear to be able to critically assess a man who so flagrantly lies. Or they just don't care because he's a multi billionaire (he says).

I just don't understand why so many people don't see it?

[Loki Liesmith]

2. Did you like them three days ago?

[CrowCityDem]

3. I think most of us are just fine with her leading pretty much everywhere, other than Q and Rasmussen

Since those are dyed-in-the-wool Republican pollsters that think minorities aren't going to show up in November.

[beachbumbob]

4. Poll numbers means little right now and the media are doing all

They can to make it appear this election will close....which it won't be...

[Demsrule86]

8. Also the media wants a horse race...look at Romney

He basically had no chance but I sure didn't know that at the time. I was very worried.

[Blanks]

35. I know...

I thought it was touch and go, but it was never even close.

[Demsrule86]

58. Hubs kept telling me Romney would lose...

but I was worried. So you can't even tell anymore. I just can't see Trump winning given our demographics.

[Blanks]

64. I don't believe it's as close as they claim...

They're using land lines or asking questions a certain way, or something.

I see too many republican women on Facebook rejecting him. I see a lot of hate directed toward Hillary too, but I expect folks will vote for her anyway.

[Demsrule86]

95. I think so too.

[KMOD]

5. GOTV

Here's some happy music.

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[Demsrule86]

6. The polls have been mixed but it is July

I believe she will win. We do need to GOTV for sure.

[Peregrine Took]

7. Pretty sure Pence won't bring much to the ticket.

So that's a help.

[lapfog_1]

9. It shouldn't be this close

Hillary should lead every diced demographic with the possible exception of white men over 30 with no college education.

Women - check
white men with college degrees - check
Latinos - check, double check
Blacks - check
Asians - check
other immigrants - check


How can it be that she isn't leading Trump in every state in the union except for some deeply red states?

[ChisolmTrailDem]

10. You would think she would be blowing his numbers away after all the build-up...

...that Hillary is the one we should put forward as our nominee. We were promised that she would trounce tRump and that is just not happening.

Now people are trying to pretend all is well and don't worry. Bullshit. I'm worried (and I don't care who smarts off about being "concerned", you're goddamned right I'm concerned!) because, according to Hillary's primary supporters swore up and down she was the better candidate against tRump, despite this being an anti-establishment atmosphere in 2016. So, what did we do, "we" chose an establishment candidate to run against the anti-establishment candidate.

You're damned right I'm concerned!!! And Hillary BETTER win!

[leftynyc]

28. Ah - thank you for outing yourself

as someone who simply can't wait - and really, really hopes - to say I told you so. Now I can ignore you.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

32. I'll tell you what I really, really hope: I hope Hillary wins. I've said I will voter for her.

If you think I want a tRump presidency just so I can say I told you so, you are woefully mistaken.

What a silly, silly thing to assume

I also really, really hope you put me on ignore. I don't need your nasty comments casting shade on my day.

[AgingAmerican]

59. Black and white thinking

Either you are fully gung ho for her, or you're evil. No grey areas allowed!

[zappaman]

72. No kidding.

The concern is mighty.

[MohRokTah]

12. Chillax

This shit happens every four years like clockwork.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

14. She better win. nt

[MFM008]

21. Or what?

Lighten up Francis.
The media..whose JOB it is to MAKE this a race .... MAKES it a race?

[leftynyc]

29. Or?

Are you going to hold your breathe until you turn blue?

[DesertRat]

31. Thank you for bringing some sanity to the thread

[Bucky]

41. Great point. We should relax, get passive, defer to our leaders

especially one with a proven track record of enjoying well over 39% approval ratings.

http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/hillary-clinton-favorable-rating

Most recently 39.[font size="5"]5[/font]% approval. Eat THAT, naysayers, pearl clutchers, and concern trolls!

[LanternWaste]

13. I used to take three polls and use them as a source for rage-bait as well.

I used to take three polls and use them as a source for rage-bait as well. I'd never gotten the sincerity thing down as well, though.

Doggonit! Unnamed people on message boards promised you stuff! That's just damned serious!

[Wellstone ruled]

15. Until I see the Questions and the

Comparatory answers used,then and only then should we get concerned. Let's see the scope and methodology used.

Like some mentioned before,Media wants a Horse Race and that is all about AD revenue.

Have done polling in the past,and if you want certain results,well,asked the questions in a specific manner and also use subject phrases as well as subjective answers. This Poll smells to high hell.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

18. What I'm saying is that Hillary's numbers should be blowing tRump out of the water. Why...

...isn't that happening? And I don't want any lame ass answer like "Oh, well this happens every four years. Chillax!" I will not "Chillax"! Hillary better win this goddamned election!

[Wellstone ruled]

23. Understand.

Seems to me we seen a similiar Poll four years ago rating it a toss up between Willard the Rat and Mr.President Obama. The Times is not a Hillary fan by no means,as well as CBS. CBS has in the last two weeks,been using subjective phrasing wn reporting Clinton information or lack there of. What is really glaring is,each and every News segment wither Local of National,is extremely biased towards Trump and over the top negative to any Clinton items. Zero objective reporting what so ever.

[AgadorSparticus]

110. THIS!! I SO agree. But there are some on here who have ulterior motives.

Just look at some of the posts on this thread. It's the primaries peeking out again.... smh...

[Wellstone ruled]

111. One only has to read their threads or responses.

Does not take long to figure out who are for real and who are whatever. Typical of any board that allows anyone with in reason to post what ever,wither true or false or if they have some agenda or are fakes. And there are those who love controversy just for the sake of controversy. Bottom line,Hillary Clinton will be our next President and Trump will go on to con more suckers.

[Dawgs]

16. Well, we warned them. nt

[ChisolmTrailDem]

17. We did. And now we have an establishment candidate in an anti-establishment election...

atmosphere. SMH!

[NCTraveler]

77. Anti-establishment election is simply made up.

If one is honest and looks at all of the metrics of a wide array of recent polls, they must then conclude that we are in a great starting position.

Democrats in very large numbers are extremely supportive of Planned Parenthood. The anti-establishment aspect is on the republican side.

[AgingAmerican]

81. No it isn't

People are sick and tired of the dysfunctional 'business as usual'. Even right wingers are getting tired of being poorer and poorer.

[NCTraveler]

88. I'm correct on this one.

Facts are on my side. The republicans are having an anti-establishment moment. Not for the altruistic reasons you credit them for.

'08 was much more anti-establishment than this year. By far.

[lunamagica]

96. Posting this made you really feel good. huh? I bet you have been waiting and waiting so

you can post this... and now you did it!

But I wouldn't be gloating if I were you...she will win

[Dawgs]

97. Just the opposite. I feel terrible that America might elect a buffoon.

And, even more so knowing that they could have nominated someone without the high negatives.

[lunamagica]

98. Well I think such doom and gloom over a July post is unwarranted. Did you see the polls today?

Just the opposite. I love today's polls, but I don't think polls can be taken seriously until after the convention.

And the "I told you so" from any POV don't make sense until after the election.

Postings such things don't help at all. Now is the time to be positive and FIGHT against trump!

[Peacetrain]

20. Oh for the love of GOD.. breathe

His numbers are going to go up this week.. and next..its their convention.. and all the noise about the vp pick yadda yadda yadda.. and they are still trying to steam roll the email situation.. that is where a lot of these polls came out of.. just breathe.. and GOTV for pete's sake..

[Maru Kitteh]

22. Well you BETTER get your hind end out the chair and GOTV then since you're SO CONCERNED.

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You BETTER do something other than just strut your bad self around on a message board!
You BETTER talk to people you know IRL and tell them about all the progressive platform points HRC has made a part of her campaign.
You BETTER spend some time phone banking.
You BETTER put your money where your "concern" is.



ETA: You BETTER follow the excellent example set by Bernie Sanders and do everything you can to help ensure our nominee, Hillary Rodham Clinton is the next President of the United States.

[KMOD]

37. You better, you better, you bet

[Maru Kitteh]

40. When I say I love you, you say you betta!

[book_worm]

24. I guess you didn't see all the good state poll numbers from yesterday

Try and relax and prepare yourself because Trump will get a boost from his convention, too. Then it will be Hillary's turn and she will get a boost.

[Squinch]

57. I bet he did, but chose to ignore them.

[George Eliot]

25. Depends on who people want to have a beer with. That's how we got Bush 2x.

Hopefully not one blogger at this site did that. I know people who vote that way. It is disgusting. They shouldn't be allowed to vote at all.

[kimbutgar]

27. I remember when it showed Romney beating President Obama at this time.

After the conventions and Labor day we will have a lot to throw at the cheeto to weaken him. Even enough to make him lose it and break down. Mr. thin skin can't handle criticism too well. When it is focused and disciplined against him he will meltdown.

[Squinch]

30. You better panic. Otherwise, this trend will continue!

[gg4usa]

33. Poll numbers went down because of the blow-back from the email non-indictment

The media was all over the "was careless" Comey quote and polls haven't caught up to the endorsement by Bernie yet.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

36. She does have a kickass ad out here in Texas comparing tRump getting his...

...foreign policy information from "the shows" against a montage Hillary's diplomatic work as Secretary of State. It's a stark, stark contrast.

Will it get through some of the hard heads here in the Lone Star States? No, it won't. But it will help solidify her support from Bernie supporters here and will move many independents to our side of the aisle. But, unfortunately, Texas will still go for tRump.

[Thinkingabout]

93. Expect Texas to go for Trump, this is what the polk s indicate.

Doesn't mean we can not make the best possible showing. We have to work hard to defeat the down ticket Republicans also.

[KingCharlemagne]

34. All leftists must hope for the best, but plan for the worst. I know I am - nt

[Maru Kitteh]

42. Bernie Sanders is doing more than hoping for the best - he's working for it

And is providing the best of examples to follow.

[KingCharlemagne]

45. I live in solidly blue California where it matters little how one votes to the

overall outcome. I have been contemplating pulling up stakes and heading to one of the battleground states to walk precincts and phone bank. Still mulling it. Any thoughts?

Full Disclosure: I was a Bernie supporter and decidedly anti-Hillary. But the choice now is between a traditional capitalist (Hillary) and a crypto-fascist (Trump). The choice for me is a no brainer.

To quote Charlie Pierce:

Damn all the people who will vote for him, and damn any progressives who sit this one out because Hillary Rodham Clinton is wrong on this issue or that one. Damn all the people who are suggesting they do that. And damn all members of the media who treat this dangerous fluke of a campaign as being in any way business as usual. Any support for He, Trump is, at this point, an act of moral cowardice. Anyone who supports him, or runs with him, or enables his victory, or even speaks well of him, is a traitor to the American idea.

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a46695/donald-trump-candidacy-american-democracy/

Entire piece is well worth the time to read it.

[Maru Kitteh]

47. Bookmarking to read later! As to heading for battlegrounds,

I've done that more than a few times. The only advice I can really give; try to go to areas that are as closely matched to a vibe" and culture that you are accustomed to. It makes it easier to connect to people.

THANK YOU for undertaking this important work, and your service. As a Bernie supporter, your experience will be extremely valuable - and I can't express enough my appreciation for your efforts.

[bettyellen]

112. I often phone bank for out of state races - from home! You absolutely should!

[R B Garr]

38. She was attacked non-stop for a year, and I look forward to Donald Trump

running out of those throw-away lines that were handed to him on a silver platter.

No other candidate has been maligned, lied about and abused like she has, and she's still ahead. No sympathy from me for your...concerns.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

39. That's right, I am concerned. She should be trouncing him in the polls. Really?

Hillary isn't trouncing him in the polls? Against TRUMP, for god's sake? You're damn right I'm concerned, despite your mockery.

[R B Garr]

43. It looks to me like you are doing the mocking, among other things. You just don't like

it that I pointed out the obvious reason(s) for a couple polls. She's been attacked by TRUMP, for god's sake with things that the last person who tried it couldn't substantiate. Yet she still won. No sympathy for your...concern.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

44. She should be kicking his ass all over the country. Why is she not doing that? nt

[R B Garr]

46. lol, no sympathy for your....concern.

When Trump runs out of the throw-away lines that were handed to him on a silver platter, he will have to come up with his own. It looks like he's even riding the BENGHAZI wave at his convention. Imagine that. Copycat attacks from Trump.

Anyway, I doubt you are really concerned, because your statement isn't even accurate.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

48. As bad as he is as a cadidate and person, she's still not kicking his ass...smh.

You know, I think you're vastly underestimating the level of stupid that exists in this country. Half the population is dumber than rocks and vote below that level of intelligence.

[R B Garr]

62. The stupid is obvious. Bush was reelected after all,

and there were those that believed Nader when he said Bush was the same as Gore.

But the attacks are designed to hurt poll numbers. The GOP Congress critters attacked about Benghazi to lower her numbers . They even said it openly when interviewed.

She was attacked nonstop for a year by someone not accountable to substantiate his attacks, but it was obvious it was to harm her. But she still won.

BTW, something like 40% of Republicans think Obama is a Muslim. Donald was a birther, too. But I was never concerned about that.

All Donald has is personal attacks. Look what he did to his own party during the Primary. He knows nothing about policy or government. When he runs out of attacks that others have handed him, he'll have to talk about real issues.

[caquillo]

49. You really think Sanders would be doing much better?

Yes, he did well against Trump in hypothetical polls during the primaries, but the reason he had good ratings is because nobody on either side ran a negative campaign on him. But all that would have changed if he'd been the nominee. You would've seen the GOP take out the knives and throw the kitchen sink at him. His poll numbers would've suffered, too. Why do Sanders supporters think that he would have remained untouched till election day?

[ChisolmTrailDem]

50. I don't think he would have remained untouched. But it's been shown over and over again...

...that people, for whatever reason(s), don't trust Hillary. They don't have that issue with Bernie. Also, the mood in this country is anti-establishment. We have put forth an establishment candidate. Bernie was ahead of tRump the entire primary versus Hillary staying neck and neck with tRump. I have no reason to think that would have changed all that much from the GOP taking out the knives. After all, there's just not as much ammo against Bernie as there is for Hillary and Hillary started the general election on her hind foot vs. tRump. Bernie would have begun the GE with a running head start.

DISCLAIMER: I have voted for a Clinton in every race ever run by one, including governor. That will not change this time.

[Dawgs]

52. No chance he his disapproval numbers would be anywhere close to 60%.

No matter what negative campaign was run against him. People generally like him. He's not despised.

[Squinch]

54. Oh, FFS. When are you people going to stop?

[TwilightZone]

61. 2024, when the next president is elected.

[Squinch]

65. And there are going to be faux concerns and ill concealed glee at every stumble until then.

[TwilightZone]

69. Agreed.

[Squinch]

56. He'd have been demolished in the general, but you'll never convince them of it.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

63. So, why isn't Hillary demolishing tRump? nt

[R B Garr]

66. zOMG, Bernie just endorsed her this week! His

endorsement should have resulted in immediate Trouncement! How concerning.

[Jamaal510]

73. ...

[Squinch]

67. She will. And in many current polls, she is. But that's not what interests you, is it?

[AgingAmerican]

60. Yes

He would be trouncing Trump

[highprincipleswork]

51. I sure didn't choose her.

[Dawgs]

53. Me neither.

[ismnotwasm]

68. I did

I'm very happy and proud to have done so.

[KMOD]

80. 16,847,075 of us did.

Proudly and enthusiastically.

[doc03]

55. How in the hell can the polls do a total 180 in a week and Trump hasn't spent

a dime?

[StevieM]

82. He didn't need to. He had James Comey doing his work for him. (eom)

[doc03]

90. Republicans want him fired because he never charged her with anything. He couldn't come out

and not charge her and shut the fuck up. He has to make a statement that gives the Republicans fodder for more investigations.

[riversedge]

70. Well, you and all Democrats better get there and help her win

phone bank, donate, canvass or whatever.

[LexVegas]

71. Transparent...as always. nt

[George II]

74. What don't you like about the poll numbers? Why?

[NCTraveler]

75. We are going to work to make it so.

Polls right now pose little significance.

Ready for November to get here.

I don't get this level of concern because of polls this far out.

[StevieM]

84. I am a die-hard Hillary supporter going back to 2008. And I am terrified by these poll numbers.

James Comey caused incredible damage with his misleading and unfair press conference.

[NCTraveler]

91. Not even close to as bad as you say. Not even close.

Clinton is vindicated and a bunch of people on the left are scared shitless about it. I call bunk. An overwhelming majority of voters have never heard of the man that currently has you "terrified". I can't imagine how to even get to that point.

[StevieM]

92. I hope you are right. (eom)

[nightwing1240]

76. Polls will fluctuate until November but...

...from the great state of Ohio, I will be doing all that I can (phone banks, canvassing, driving people to the polls) to make certain Drumph NEVER sets foot in the Oval Office!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

78. I would be much more concerned about how exogenous events like terrorism affect the election. *

That is the ultimate wild card.




* and keep the victims in your thoughts.

[MFM008]

79. at the very WORST...WORST I say

she is tied or ahead by a few points. Only Rasmusson (again ) has him up by 7 points, because they poll Trump tower.
The worst electoral polls has her down in FL and PA tied in Ohio and ahead in the rest of usually blue states including VA and NV.
Up in Colorado.
My only advice is to pick someone and go after Rump and soon and not a milk-toasty Kaine kind of guy.

[6chars]

83. she is even after the email story -- uphill from here

no pun intended.

[StevieM]

89. I hope so. But I am terrified that Trump will use the GOP Convention to make himself look a little

better to some people, just good enough to vote for. That could get him a few more points.

James Comey's disgusting press conference did incredible damage to Hillary IMO. I am terrified that it gave the GOP what they needed to win. If he had done his job properly--or ethically--and simply announced that there would be no charges then the race would already be over. Hillary would be almost guaranteed victory.

[6chars]

94. trump may get a bump. then it's hillary's turn

let's not freak out if Trump gets a convention bump. His convention is not going to be one that inspires people. I think the Dem convention really will.

[LAS14]

99. NBC/Marist shows her well ahead in ALL swing states.

I don't see this mentioned anywhere except one story about being ahead in diverse states. Am I reading something wrong?

But I agree. I don't like living in a country where so many people can bring themselves to support Trump. Truly scary.

[Squinch]

109. And even the very concerned posters in this thread are not commenting about that. How fascinating.

[ancianita]

100. No poll panicking, hand wringing from media hype, y'all. Only after Labor Day. It's media hype.

[David__77]

101. I see a Gray Davis-style victory for Clinton.

I think that Clinton will win like Gray Davis did for governor of California in 2002. I anticipate that polls will be close and Trump will at times lead. I think that, ultimately, Clinton will win. I think she will win the popular vote by more than a 1% margin.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

102. which poll numbers do you not like?

the ones where she leads in four swing states? http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/15/politics/swing-state-polls-hillary-clinton-leads-trump/

also, hillary had better win sounds like a very empty threat.

[Squinch]

105. It's such a clear glimpse into the personality, isn't it?

[La Lioness Priyanka]

106. esp since he accused me just a few days ago of not being supportive of Hillary

because i stated that Kerry, Edwards, Biden never had to face the same level of wrath as Hillary did.

which made no sense to me then, but now reading this thread it makes a lot of sense why he said what he did. it's not me who doesn't support hillary, it's people like the OP who do not want people to discuss the double standards when it comes to her.

[Squinch]

107. And who will magnify every percieved stumble and ignore every victory. All the while saying,

"I didn't vote for her."

So transparent.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

108. exactly. so very very transparent.

[LisaM]

103. Trump is all over the place and Hillary has been lying low

She did this during the primaries, too, and it worked out just fine.

[wisteria]

104. Are you new at all of this? Don't worry, to early to be concerned about polls.