Clinton needs Sanders on her ticket to win

[mia]

Without Bernie Sanders on the ticket as the VP candidate, Hillary Clinton will probably go down in flames. With him, Trump loses badly.

What a great VP Sanders would be, because as president of the Senate, he would advance a great progressive, solution-oriented agenda. Bernie’s ability to further advance his reforms would make a quantum leap from platform planks to actual legislation.

Such a ticket would pick up 80-85 percent of the Sanders supporters. I am a member of 800 Bernie groups on Facebook, some virulently anti-Hillary. If he is not on the ticket, a lot of them will go for Jill Stein, or will write in Bernie....

Clinton may already recognize that her election depends on Bernie Sanders being on the ticket.

http://www.abqjournal.com/808832/clinton-needs-sanders-on-her-ticket-to-win.html

[CrowCityDem]

1. She's already winning.

[L. Coyote]

6. I would say she has already won.

Trump will lose points during the convention, just watch. He's mangling the VP announcement at this moment.

[mia]

11. Glad for that!

I want to see the Democratic Party win big in November. We need more, passionate activists to help get out the vote.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

38. Complacency is deadly, especially for down-ticket: SCOTUS, Senate, House, State Legislatures

[font size="+1"]Kill gerrymandering by winning state Legislatures.[/font]

[ehrnst]

42. There is a difference between complacency and confidence.

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It's important not to confuse lack of hand wringing and anxiety with complacency.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

49. Indeed. Hand-wringing doesn't help when times are good nor when conditions are adverse. . nt

[Her Sister]

2. Ike & Tina Turner - River Deep Mountain High (original 1966 promo)

eom!

[woolldog]

3. Would that be the oldest ticket ever?

[Her Sister]

4. Do I love you my, oh, my? Like river deep, mountain high, yeah, yeah If I lost you would I cry? Oh,

When I was a little girl, I had a rag doll
Only doll I've ever owned
Now I love you just the way I loved that rag doll
Only now my love has grown

It gets stronger in every way
It gets deeper, let me say
It gets higher day by day

Do I love you my, oh, my?
As river deep, mountain high, yeah, yeah
If I lost you would I cry?
Oh, how I love you baby, baby, baby, baby?

Oh, when you were a young boy, did you have a puppy?
Always followed you around
Well, Im gonna be as faithful as that puppy
No, Ill never let you down

It goes on and on like a river flows
And it gets bigger baby, and Heaven knows
It gets sweeter baby, as it grows

Do I love you my, oh, my?
Like river deep, mountain high, yeah, yeah
If I lost you would I cry?
Oh, how I love you baby, baby, baby, baby?

I love you baby, like a flower loves the spring
And I love you honey, oh, like a robin loves to sing
Oh, I love you babe, like a schoolboy loves his bike
And I love you honey, river deep, mountain high

Baby, baby

Do I love you my, oh, my?
I said, as river deep, mountain high, yeah, yeah
If I lost you, would I cry?
Oh, how I love you baby, baby, baby, baby?

[Hortensis]

13. "You've got a lotta nerve to say you are my friend

(More in the mood for Dylan's Positively 4th Street.)

When I was down you just stood there grinnin'
You've got a lotta nerve to say you got a helping hand to lend
You just want to be on the side that's winnin'
You say I let you down, ya know its not like that
If you're so hurt, why then don't you show it?
You say you've lost your faith, but that's not where its at
You have no faith to lose, and ya know it
I know the reason, that you talked behind my back
I used to be among the crowd you're in with
Do you take me for such a fool, to think I'd make contact
With the one who tries to hide what he don't know to begin with?

[Her Sister]

5. Tina Turner - River Deep, Mountain High (Live in Sopot)

eom!

[Her Sister]

7. Tina Turner - River Deep Mountain High (Live HD)

eom!

[seabeyond]

8. Clinton already has 85% of Sanders supporters. Sanders would be a horrible VP.

Everything that job entails, he shows he cannot do. His role would be to support Clinton and her agenda, he is not capable. He would be a poor choice.

[lillypaddle]

10. Disagree completely

First of all, he's too old.
Second of all ... it's an all around bad idea.

[Orangepeel]

12. I don't think that the writer of the piece knows what "the president of the Senate" actually does

[okasha]

25. That's pretty clear.

The poster seems to think the position is similar to Speaker of the House.

[Lord Magus]

46. Yeah it reminds me of Palin in 08.

She actually thought that being VP would make her "in charge of the Senate".

[tammywammy]

58. That's where I stopped reading.

[AgadorSparticus]

14. Good god. Let it go already.....

BS will not be VP. That is such a horrible idea on so many levels.

--BS & HRC are together for a common goal but they don't really get along. It will take time for the wounds to heal.
--It took him how long to concede?
--85% of his voters have already jumped to the HRC ship
--According to Weaver, Bernie is getting ready to go on the road stumping for Hillar soon.
--If it is truly about getting that progressive vote, there is Warren....who, is on the very very short list.

So...Why on god's green earth does he need to be on the ticket? For that 0.5% that would rather stay home than vote for Hillary? I don't think even Bernie can persuade that crowd.

Quite honestly, I dont think Bernie would even want to be VP. It doesn't fit him...atleast not with Hillary. I think for what he wants to do with his revolution, he will be best to do exactly what he is doing.

[mia]

16. Thanks for your explanation. n/t

[Maru Kitteh]

15. Good for you on getting your LTE published in the paper, but It's so very flawed

and not going to happen. For oh so many reasons.

[RBInMaine]

17. Good grief. Please, enough already.

[nolabear]

18. Nope. He'd be focused so much on his own agenda he's be a terrible supporter.

It would look like they were running against one another.

[Blue Idaho]

22. ^^^This...Exactly^^^

Let me just add I sincerely doubt he would accept the job.

[nolabear]

24. I just posted a thread with his post endorsement conference call. It's very telling.

And I doubt he'd take the job either. And he shouldn't. I am fine with him working for change downticket instead.

[mia]

70. Thanks for posting the conference call

It's helpful in understanding Sanders' motivations.

[ericson00]

19. Bernie has already thrown his full support behind Hillary;

Hillary needs a candidate who can blunt the appeal of Trump to the rust belt and get Hispanics, blacks, and women to come out and vote, win swing states, and woo moderate independents who see that Pence is just there to be there and parrot "make America great again" to people.

[lunamagica]

20. No. Most of his supporters went to her before he even endorsed her

He is not being vetted.Not happening

[The Second Stone]

21. Sanders has not been vetted and has not released taxes

We want to hit Trump hard on being audited and not releasing taxes.

[ehrnst]

33. Yes. That's an issue. (nt)

[cosmicone]

23. aaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[La Lioness Priyanka]

26. lol

No. Much like Obama didn't need Clinton on the ticket.

[mia]

31. lol

good point

[Android3.14]

27. Warren as VP will also work

Sanders, having smeared the truth of the forces backing Clinton on the huge psychic billboard of the electorate, would lack credibility as VP. Warren, however, could bridge that gap and revitalize the Sanders supporters to create some real enthusiasm for the Clinton campaign, as opposed to the lackluster "meh" most Democrats and independents feel.

[giftedgirl77]

28. Oh fucking please.

[jamese777]

29. Not Gonna Happen

Nobody from any party is going to put a 76 year old (by the time of the inauguration) on a ticket.

[book_worm]

30. No she doesn't

Quoting some guest column in a local newspaper.

[ehrnst]

32. No. Bernie does fine as the Senator of a small, very white state

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I think that representing them in the Senate is where he will be most effective at what he does.

There, he can be the gadfly without the distractions of international diplomacy and coalition building that the White House requires.

[Eric J in MN]

50. Does Hillary Clinton think Sanders is just a gadfly? If so, why does she want him to speak on

...the first night of the convention?

[ehrnst]

51. I didn't say Hillary thought that.

So I can't answer your question.

A quick google search may answer your question about who has referred to Bernie as a gadfly:

https://www.google.com/#q=bernie+gadfly

[stonecutter357]

34. bull shit

[DemonGoddess]

35. Nope, not happening

She's already GOT 80 to 85% of his supporters.

Not only that, she's not likely to pick someone older than her as VP. She's got loads of experience, so she can afford to look at a younger running mate.

[UCmeNdc]

36. One of the things I feel might hurt Hillary Clinton is her and her staff's feeling of being superior

Clinton and her staff have to work at connecting with the little guy. That is what will win when November rolls around. Bernie makes that connection. Hillary and her staff needs to listen and make their adjustments. Hillary has done some things well to make those connections but she needs to get her hands dirty and talk to the poor and middle class directly.

[okasha]

39. That's exactly what she did in her town halls.

That's exactly what she does every time she speaks about the five goals she's prioritizing.

Not sure how anyone could miss that.

[ehrnst]

55. Yes, I certainly didn't miss that. (nt)

[Demsrule86]

43. I think Clinton is doing just fine connecting with the 'little guy'

But I will keep your concerns in mind.

[ehrnst]

57. I think that the term little "guy" says so much.

Because you know, vagina.

[Demsrule86]

71. That was not my intention...

haha.

[Demsrule86]

44. I do not think Hillary or her staff feel superior.

Why would you say such a thing?

[mythology]

45. You do realize that Clinton won voters making under $50,000 by 11 points right?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/04/23/sanders-says-he-has-lost-primaries-to-clinton-because-poor-people-dont-vote/

It's hard to claim that she didn't connect with poorer voters when she won them in the primaries.

[ehrnst]

54. If by "little guy" you mean other than women, LGBTQs and people of color

then I guess I agree, if those aren't considered "little guys."

She's gotten "her hands dirty" with those groups for years, thank you very much.


http://killingthebreeze.com/this-is-the-robust-civil-rights-history-of-hillary-clinton/

http://shewinswewin.org/blog/5-times-hillary-clinton-pushed-for-lgbt-rights/

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/2/18/1487116/-Hillary-Clinton-s-Long-Committed-Record-Advocating-For-Women-and-Children

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/03/giving-hillary-credit-for-schip/

(this is NOT about re-hashing the primaries, but giving instances that rebut the claim that one candidates' staff was more dismissive of "little guys" than the other.)

That is all.

[Alex4Martinez]

60. They are, in fact, a key component of "the little guy" demographic.

There's a difference between hanging out with some of them and actually representing and fighting across the spectrum for them and other under-represented groups.

And, these days, just about any minimum wager earner is under-represented, and many of them are black, LGBT, etc...

That is all.

[ehrnst]

62. Well, I think a long record of actually fighting for these groups

and including them in her messaging and her actions makes her very, very different than someone who has represented the whitest smallest state in the U.S, and has surrounded themselves with older white male advisors.

Those groups responded to the message that their lives and conditions were at least as important as taking on capitalism, and would be addressed in as timely a manner.

For reference on how the "little guys" have been dealt with by the staff of those who didn't have such a long record on advocacy for them:


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/04/23/sanders-says-he-has-lost-primaries-to-clinton-because-poor-people-dont-vote/


http://www.queerty.com/hivaids-activist-peter-staley-feels-used-abused-meeting-bernie-sanders-campaign-20160527

https://shiksappeal.wordpress.com/2016/05/18/berned-by-bernie-sanders/

http://www.mediaite.com/online/sanders-staffers-say-campaign-just-didnt-try-very-hard-to-win-the-black-vote/

(this is NOT about re-hashing the primaries, but giving instances that rebut the claim that one candidates' staff was more dismissive of "little guys" than the other.)

That explain why she was chosen by voters as the nominee of the Democratic Party, whose strength has always been in coalitions of the groups that comprise "the little guy."


Just sayin.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

37. Your concern is noted. . . . nt

[L. Coyote]

40. ^^^ THIS ^^^ n/t

[Lil Missy]

41. That's bullshit.

Sanders can go piss up a rope.

[Agnosticsherbet]

47. The VP needs to be a master of the Senate.

I see no indication that he is that type of power broker.I also fail to see how being VP helps him build his movement.

[newblewtoo]

48. Julian Castro

it will be good for the future and drive the R's wild!! Sadly, as I climb further up fool's hill, I have come to realize, Age Matters. Look around at the party (and potential candidates) and you will realize we need to do better with the farm team if we are to remain viable.

[chillfactor]

52. no...

Hillary needs someone younger and full of fire.

[Thinkingabout]

53. The VP candidates are being vetted now, Hillary will make her selection, she can do this.

[liberal N proud]

56. Not even rational

[ehrnst]

59. The VP actually has very little power other than tie-breaking

"The Vice President of the United States is, ex officio, President of the United States Senate, with the power to cast tie-breaking votes. However, while the Vice President has the right to act as presiding officer over the Senate, the rules of the Senate give the President of the Senate very little power (in contrast to the powerful office of Speaker of the House)."

I think that someone like Bernie would not be happy whatsoever as VP.

[MiniMe]

69. ^^This!!^^

The VP has no power in the Senate other than break ties. I love Bernie, but I don't think it would be a good partnership.

[lapucelle]

63. The writer belongs to 800 Sanders Facebook groups.

Living in an echo chamber can skew your perspective.
And he's whining about the "stolen" NY election and bewildered by the fact that Sanders's lawyer is ignoring his letters.

[ehrnst]

65. That certainly explains some things. (nt)

[NastyRiffraff]

64. No

Nonononono. Really, really bad idea. I think Bernie himself would think it a bad idea.

[rock]

66. Now that's hilaryous!

[zappaman]

67. laugh of the day!!!!

Thank you!

[NCTraveler]

68. The author of that piece lacks the education to opine in this manner.

Seems to be a bit of youthful exuberance combined with heel clicking.