2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBREAKING: NBC reports Paul Manafort saying Melania Trump added plagiarized lines to speech...
...according to multiple sources.
Also, Melania is now disillusioned with campaign; didn't come to Pence rollout.
Thrill
(19,178 posts)Just like that
LexVegas
(6,059 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)lib87
(535 posts)An immigrant stealing a speech from an American "sub-group" (Thanks Steve King) and passing it off as her own intellectual property. You can't make this ish up.
I can't wait to see what day 2 has to entertain us with.
amuse bouche
(3,657 posts)I'll have another please
Hekate
(90,645 posts)calimary
(81,220 posts)With as little help as possible. During the interview done on the Trump plane before they arrived at the convention center yesterday. The interview was for the following morning's "Today" show.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)I hear she does not want to be involved in any way anymore
calimary
(81,220 posts)It was Don Lemon and a colleague with a panel of guests. They started talking about it, specifically focusing on some unknown speechwriter who fucked up. They kept at it til that video clip was played - of Matt Lauer's interview with her, and it ended with the quote of the night (where she told him "I wrote it, with as little help as possible" and then they switched back to Don Lemon and friends. It was AMAZINGLY hilarious - Lemon and this fellow who was co-hosting with him SAT THERE. FROZEN. Gaping at the camera, utterly speechless, completely flummoxed, as though they couldn't believe what they just saw. They sat there in stunned silence for at least two or three beats before one of 'em finally spoke up and rather sheepishly said something like "well, all I have to say about that is 'no comment'."
I almost fell outta bed laughing!
It was freakin' CLASSIC!!!!
bravenak
(34,648 posts)And then the real shit started. Oh boy!! I spent half the night laughing and reading articles about this.
JustAnotherGen
(31,811 posts)Real real. Like - for shizzle!
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)OMG this keeps getting better and better!
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)The shit is hitting the fan more than I could ever hope for!
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)the attention of a nation on him... Can it get better?
Hekate
(90,645 posts)God knows there will be enough footage.
Gman
(24,780 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)ronnykmarshall
(35,356 posts)They're going to do a roll call vote.
mindfulNJ
(2,367 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)PatSeg
(47,399 posts)Logical
(22,457 posts)PatSeg
(47,399 posts)I'm sure there will clips later and MSNBC often replays portions of Morning Joe throughout the day.
Logical
(22,457 posts)PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)Was attributed to a reporter named Katie Tur. (not sure of the exact spelling)
Logical
(22,457 posts)major debacle
(508 posts)The UK website, Independent, ascribes the quote to "GOP consultant Nicole Wallace"
Ms Trump is known to be a reluctant political spouse, who had rarely surfaced on the campaign trail in recent months. That her most high-profile appearance to date should leave her mired in controversy will surely do little to encourage her to return to the stump. This is what we were so afraid of, GOP consultant Nicole Wallace told MSNBC, even suggesting that the Trumps marriage is on the line over the incident.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/melania-trump-speech-republican-convention-plagiarism-controversy-hillary-clinton-a7144766.html
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)super villain? She was my favorite character besides Eames.
calimary
(81,220 posts)She was given the job of taking miss sarah to Saks Fifth Avenue and Neiman Marcus too, I think, and buying her 150-thousand dollars worth of outfits to wear on the campaign.
anoNY42
(670 posts)You actually liked Eames? She didn't solve any crimes (she let Goren do all the police work)!
The Second Stone
(2,900 posts)and didn't interfere as Dr. Watson with the Sherlock Holmes character. Break me off a piece of that Det. Eames!
displacedtexan
(15,696 posts)Alas, this particular Nicole Wallace is the Republican one who had to wrangle Spalin. I actually almost felt sorry for her. Almost.
rurallib
(62,406 posts)just a matter of what rips them apart.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)bravenak
(34,648 posts)This convention is going AWESOME! I am stoked!
I hope Trump lies his ass off today. I will enjoy day 2 even more than day one.
book_worm
(15,951 posts)PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)Trump practically begged her, said it was so important. Now Manafort throws Trump's wife under the bus!
Holy fuck!
Dustlawyer
(10,495 posts)One of them stole from Michelle Obama. The irony is that it was stolen from an Obama, the mortal enemy's of the Republicans! This is too rich!
Chiyo-chichi
(3,578 posts)"He treats people with respect."
True of Obama. Not so much the Donald.
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)Of all people to plagiarize from, they picked a DEMOCRAT!
Mika again told Hillary, "Just go on vacation. You can get back to work next week!" hahaha!!
alfredo
(60,071 posts)cynzke
(1,254 posts)Probably the ONLY time some GOPers ever heard one of Michelle Obama's speeches! EVER!
Chemisse
(30,809 posts)At least when Melania said it.
underpants
(182,772 posts)and his first tweet started with how beautiful she is. Clearly she is just a space filler to him.
My wife has a word for Melania but I won't post it on DU.
cynzke
(1,254 posts)LOL! Is there ANY OTHER exclamation that could adequately respond to this FUBAR campaign? Our rational brains can't process this fast enough. The only thing we can do is swear out in disbelief to what we are seeing....HOLY FUCK!
PatSeg
(47,399 posts)throws the candidate's wife under the bus???
WaPo is reporting that a person close to Donald Trump says Manafort has responsibility for approving all speeches in the Trump campaign.
Its going to get crowded under that bus.
Southerncomfy
(117 posts)JenniferJuniper
(4,510 posts)Big ass fonts
MissB
(15,805 posts)tallahasseedem
(6,716 posts)FINALLY their fraud is being exposed in real time. This is not the first time the Trumps have plagiarized!
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)and Santa has COME!!
forgotmylogin
(7,527 posts)(from CNN)
Manafort said attacks on Trump's speech are due to Hillary Clinton, the presumptive Democratic nominee, being "threatened" by Trump.
Ah, it's Hillary's fault that people are aware Mrs. Trump and her Team of Writers lifted phrases from Michelle Obama for her speech.
"This is once again an example of when a woman threatens Hillary Clinton, she seeks out to demean her and take her down. It's not going to work," he said.
This is blatant projection, because you can swap "Donald Trump" in place of "Hillary Clinton" in that sentence and it actually makes perfect sense.
sarae
(3,284 posts)she makes sure the woman plagiarizes someone else's speech?
Stinky The Clown
(67,790 posts)Would they?
Yeah.
THEY would.
What wil Yammie do? Will Manafort be a Fox commentator by Friday?
tallahasseedem
(6,716 posts)I'm loving every minute of this meltdown.
AwakeAtLast
(14,124 posts)Methinks there will be excessive amounts of scrubbing all over the internet this week.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)his "emphatic, tearful defense of wife" moment??? (to help his women deficit?)
tinrobot
(10,895 posts)Laurian
(2,593 posts)PJMcK
(22,031 posts)Last edited Tue Jul 19, 2016, 10:16 AM - Edit history (2)
Two things lead me to this conclusion, Laurian.
First, Donald Trump's previous wives have never said a negative thing about him in public. I believe the only bad thing first wife Ivanka ever said was in a legal proceeding where the transcript was released. So, while I know that the absence of evidence is not evidence, the circumstances imply that an NAD of some sort is in effect.
Second, everyone in Donald Trump's life signs an NDA. I think you'll agree that he's a control freak and he wouldn't have it any other way.
One other thought: imagine what the terms of the prenuptial agreement might be like! Aside from the curiosity factor, those terms would give a pretty good indication of how modest Mr. Trump's wealth really is.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)that Hillary should make a deal with some of Trump's exes. They spill the beans on The Donald, and she pardons them after she's inaugurated.
PJMcK
(22,031 posts)That's a great conspiracy theory, NewJeffCT. Of course, you were joking but I don't think the president can issue a pardon in a civil case which is what an NDA violation would be.
I love CT's especially the impossibly crazy ones because they show great ingenuity and creativity.
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)But the campaign says there was a "team" of writers. Who is lying here?
Is Melania a liar too? Seems like it!
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)byronius
(7,394 posts)It's part of the ideological equipment.
MineralMan
(146,286 posts)enough becomes the truth. That's part of their disconnect from reality.
cynzke
(1,254 posts)Flying Finger of Blame, lol! I wouldn't be surprised if one of the kids wrote it. Or maybe the son-in-law.
tallahasseedem
(6,716 posts)when Donald came through the smoke screen last night, we had no idea that the real smoke screen would be his wife's speech.
She should apologize to Michelle today.
kimbutgar
(21,130 posts)Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)A Carrie Prejean personality with a presidential campaign. All kinds of * uck up.
And now there is growing speculation she lied about graduating college. What do you expect from people who are all about appearance?
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)She is promoting a monster for president.
ecstatic
(32,685 posts)wildeyed
(11,243 posts)It is supposed to be fluff. And now he is throwing the wife, the only human thing about the campaign, under the bus. See what the candidate has to say. Will he come to the defense of his embattled spouse?
Cicada
(4,533 posts)Melanie will have to drop out as trumps first lady nominee. Ivanka may have to replace her.
mindfulNJ
(2,367 posts)Her Sister
(6,444 posts)greiner3
(5,214 posts)So how would someone start the meme #dumpmelania.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)That's pretty mean, though! but funny! but mean! .... but funny!
MrModerate
(9,753 posts)PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)"You don't have to work this week! Just let this "cluster" play out! You don't have to do a THING"
Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)mainstreetonce
(4,178 posts)He checked the speech but Melania later changed it with "her own" words?
Who would really have done that? Trump himself?
So Trump fires Manafort. Manafort produces a copy of the speech the way it was originally.
Trump blames Melania.
Some immigrant model is celebrating! I'll be next!
Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)Either way, throwing the wife under the bus won't make the home front happy.
Staff should have vetted her speech over and over again in case changes were made. It's their job to prevent things like this.
PJMcK
(22,031 posts)The Trump Campaign has prided itself on its leanness. It's a bare-bones operation mostly because Mr. Trump hasn't raised nearly enough money. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that they only have a few writers on staff who are overworked and possibly of limited experience.
Which brings me to a thought that keeps bothering me. The quotes from Mrs. Obama's speech are too accurate to have been mistakes. Were they done on purpose? Did the writer(s) want to sabotage the campaign knowing that the plagiarism would be found out? Or were the quotes the result of sloppy copy and paste work without editing or consideration of the source?
Either way, it's yet another example of how this candidate's campaign is not ready for prime time.
MrModerate
(9,753 posts)And completely dysfunctional review processes.
Is this how you'd run the country, Mr. Trump?
cynzke
(1,254 posts)And this man should be President?
Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)But vetting speeches is the kind of stuff a campaign staff does.
Mendocino
(7,486 posts)No I think she is just being potty trained.
mainstreetonce
(4,178 posts)Good one
Mendocino
(7,486 posts)Trump's next wife is being born.
brewens
(13,574 posts)ripped off a lot of inspirational speeches or words from any source. Whoever was really responsible picked the one person that would really make it burn the most!
LakeVermilion
(1,040 posts)Laurian
(2,593 posts)getagrip_already
(14,708 posts)or girl toyz... don't want to make assumptions here.
Sophiegirl
(2,338 posts)underpants
(182,772 posts)This was a screw up of MORONIC proportions!!!
Joe had tried to bring up that Hillary accused Obsma of stealing from a apiece of hers in 2008 and Biden directly stole a speech from a English Labour Party member. Heileman was beside himself - stealing from your own side is one thing but you NEVER steal from the other side!!! Her husband rails daily about how horrible Obama is and she stole from Michelle?!??
It was short but hilarious
cynzke
(1,254 posts)Who is this woman talking about? And NOW WE KNOW, Barack Obama. LOL!
SticksnStones
(2,108 posts)Is if The Donald himself was the one who did the deed.
No way they throw his wife under the bus to save a staffer.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)It's disgusting for him to throw the candidate's wife under the bus.
PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)Nicole Wallace just said that reporting is saying, "Trump's marriage is ON THE LINE!"
OMG!!
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Weird!
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Their marriage is as false as it ever was.
Why would their marriage be strained when first hand accounts say that they've always been distant from one another?
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)avebury
(10,952 posts)finding a way to get Trump out of the Presidential race.
NBachers
(17,107 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Its great to see the republican party committing suicide!
Stealing Michelle Obama's speech and thinking no one would notice...OMG!
Botany
(70,490 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)PearliePoo2
(7,768 posts)Toy intended for 3 years old and up! Yeah, that perfectly matches Dump's mentality!
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Its the perfect train wreck pic for Trump!
obamanut2012
(26,068 posts)Betty
(1,352 posts)That the repugs were cheering Michelle Obama's words last night witht realizing it.
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)They know in their hearts she is an awesome person but their racist minds cannot admit it!
They cheered her words and her thoughts when they thought they were coming from one of their own!
mcar
(42,302 posts)Chemisse
(30,809 posts)And I am gobbling it up with delight!
HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)had this as their Breaking News this morning. They showed side by side videos of Melania and Michelle.
Yikes! Plagiarizing a Democratic First Lady? At least they could have done this with a REPUBLICAN First Lady! lol
Maybe Melaenia admires Michelle, more than she wants her husband to be President?
IggleDoer
(1,186 posts)Like anyone would ever quote Laura Bush.
"I think I'll have another Jack Daniels."
womanofthehills
(8,698 posts)Only went one year and failed 2 exams.
Zoonart
(11,849 posts)Maybe this is their way out and it has all been planned. The Donald bows out, because he has to "save his marriage."
Enter Ted Cruz.
cynzke
(1,254 posts)Creating an elaborate plan like this just to bow out, because his ego is too fragile to just be honest and back out. Instead plot an elaborate SHAM....CRAZY!
!
I think he's been looking for the exit door for a while. Maybe this is it.
This makes him look like an honest to god good guy, instead of using a medical excuse or something that can be refuted.
oldtime dfl_er
(6,931 posts)I plagiarized you without knowing it. I just posted the same thing. But I hadn't read your post, honest.
uhnope
(6,419 posts)www.theguardian.com US News Republican national convention 2016
brooklynite
(94,502 posts)The inconsistent response is part of the problem.
uhnope
(6,419 posts)brooklynite
(94,502 posts)calimary
(81,220 posts)Contradicta Rice: "it was SIXTEEN WORDS!" (To the 9/11 committee, attempting to dismiss or minimize the body-blow of the Presidential Daily Brief that warned about a bin Laden attack to come.)
RNC Communications Director Sean Spicer: it was FIFTY WORDS! (Out of a 15-hundred-word speech. "It was THREE CLIPS! You played THREE CLIPS!!!!! Out of a 17-page speech!!!"
My husband just said this is like playing Grand Theft Auto and then insisting you're in the clear by listing all the things you DIDN'T steal.
catbyte
(34,373 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,775 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)I wonder what the teabaggers are going to do today?
mountain grammy
(26,619 posts)those right wing brains. Melania stole from the best!
lapucelle
(18,252 posts)because when Hillary is threatened by another "female", she attacks!
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)Awesome doesn't even begin to touch this .
lapucelle
(18,252 posts)It was Melania's idea to speak.
Aviation Pro
(12,150 posts)...on Manafort being sacked.
...on Melania being replaced by Hope Hicks.
...on Trump saying, "fuck it, I'm out of here."
Kablooie
(18,626 posts)Just because she's married to Trump doesn't automatically mean she's a Republican.
She may have more sense than people think.
bucolic_frolic
(43,128 posts)don't believe a word Manafart says, it's all BULL
liberalmuse
(18,672 posts)this is more enjoyable than it should be. It just speaks volumes about the fustercluck that is the Trump campaign.
howoldami
(7 posts)Michelle should demand a public apology - just as the Repubs would do if roles were reversed.
PatSeg
(47,399 posts)Michelle would demand an apology, but she can't stop laughing!
cynzke
(1,254 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,674 posts)I don't think she should say anything at all, but if she does she should thank Melanoma for the compliment of using her words.
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)sacrifice his wife to change the msm conversation away from all the infighting on the Convention floor rebellion .
6chars
(3,967 posts)Someone in his circle did this to sabotage Trump. I doubt she wrote any of it. That paragraph sort of fits in speech terms - something is needed in the flow to make the connection between her life and then his. Read the speech without the lifted section, and it makes even less sense.
Here is a transcript of it. http://www.bustle.com/articles/173441-transcript-of-melania-trumps-rnc-speech-shows-a-side-of-her-america-has-yet-to-see
With Michelle's section, other than the fact that the lines don't ring true about Trump, it is a better speech.
This section was there all along. The professional speechwriters did not create a speech without a section doing this job, and have a complete novice find a section to lift that (other than the plagiarism and inaccuracy problem) fills the space perfectly.
Manafort is trying to save his own ass by going after Trump's wife. The Trumps are in a bind because she said she wrote it herself, so answering Manafort will be hard.
Amazing. Just amazing.
getagrip_already
(14,708 posts)to not quit not drinking. I may have to rethink that.
caballojm
(272 posts)Stores across the country are reporting empty popcorn shelves as millions of Americans go popcorn crazy. Officials are puzzled as to cause of the phenomenon.
IggleDoer
(1,186 posts)... That the White House vegetable garden will be staying?
auntpurl
(4,311 posts)Under her latest tweet (nothing to do with Melania situation obvs), multiple people have posted "Great speech last night!"
https://twitter.com/FLOTUS/status/755408768465108993
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Love the FLOTUS!!!!!
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)Tarc
(10,476 posts)Was this live or something? I'd love to see Manafort's bus-tossing here.
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)Trump is a sleaze.
stonecutter357
(12,695 posts)niyad
(113,260 posts)similar" or some such bs?
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)...but using coincidental commonly used words.
the mea culpa is as bad as the original goof up.
niyad
(113,260 posts)the stumbling and bumbling would be entertaining if there were not so many clueless twits who take this clown show seriously.
michaz
(1,352 posts)mistakes like he keeps making makes no sense. Ant this one by his wife...just crazy. I don't have a clue what is going on but something obviously is.
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)So the offensive creep Lewandoski, the guy who accused the female reporter he grabbed of being a crazy attention-seeker, the guy that Trump dumped in favor of Manaport, now wants Manaport fired for speech-gate nod forsyaing that Melania added the plagiarized lines herself.
The Trump campaign is such a cartoonish disaster -- Melania's speech plagiarized Michelle Obama's speech (ffs) and the scheduling was such a mess last night that Senator Joni Ernst, who was supposed to be a highlight of the night and an appeal to the women voters Trump desperately needs, was speaking to a nearly empty room (and no live coverage) since her speech was pushed back so late. And why did they plop that hysterical, rabid, venomous, washed-up maniac Guiliani right in the middle of prime time?! Any viewers tuning in to watch the convention would have been greeted by Guiliani's pinched, rat-like face, spitting all over the microphone (he needs to fix his teeth and/or fix his dentures as he can't speak without constantly spitting and slurping) screaming at them and telling them to be VERY VERY VERY AFRAID!!!
Now of course Trump and his campaign are pretending that there was nothing wrong with Melania's "speech." I also love that Christie the fat hypocrite said something so stupid, "well, it is mostly -- like 93% -- Melania's speech!" Hahahaha. I can just imagine what would have happened if I had tried that when I submitted my doctoral dissertation, "Well, it is 93% mine..."
Setsuna1972
(332 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Watch Trump divorce her over this.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)Amateur moves from this guy at every turn.
Do you get the feeling he's doing a "take the $ and run" on Trump?
oldtime dfl_er
(6,931 posts)"my marriage is more important" blah blah blah
0rganism
(23,944 posts)-- Hunter S. Thompson, the only journalist who was really qualified to cover this amazing election, RIP
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Is find a way to say nice things about her husband for 15 minutes?
But since that is impossible she had to steal lines from a woman who actually has a laudable husband!!!
And you mortal political enemy at that!!