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If the crowds at the RNC rabidly chanting lock her up didn't scare you nothing will (Original Post) rbrnmw Jul 2016 OP
Being led by a well known crook and bully. gordianot Jul 2016 #1
I fear for her safety rbrnmw Jul 2016 #2
I doubt anyone is safe, violence implied has become a way of life. gordianot Jul 2016 #9
Psychologist Bob Altemeyer on Trump and THESE people. Hortensis Jul 2016 #54
Excellent analysis I might add a couple aspects. gordianot Jul 2016 #57
I noticed it too Sheepshank Jul 2016 #3
Just wait 'til they start foaming at the mouth and jerking off screaming "HANG HER!" nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2016 #4
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #31
Damn, I missed what "Mesage Auto Removed' had to say. nt Guy Whitey Corngood Jul 2016 #46
Reminds you of American history - the Salem trials huh Iliyah Jul 2016 #5
Or the Romans chanting rbrnmw Jul 2016 #6
I was going to say this was not that far a cry from, "burn her!" Squinch Jul 2016 #39
No distance at all. The difference is in opportunity only. Hortensis Jul 2016 #51
Actually, SCantiGOP Jul 2016 #61
Well, we actually do have a religious fanatic ON THE TICKET. calimary Jul 2016 #41
Me too, and yes. Hortensis Jul 2016 #55
"lock her up" Botany Jul 2016 #7
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #26
enjoy your stay Botany Jul 2016 #29
Your ignorance is duly noted. lapucelle Jul 2016 #30
Repukes have been convinced for decades that Hillary is guilty of SOME crime. Lord Magus Jul 2016 #56
And that crime is that she is alive and who she is now Botany Jul 2016 #58
Exactly. I have friends babylonsister Jul 2016 #60
and it's only July. Imagine when it's October and they're behind nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #8
Let's not forget using the words "purge" and "drawing up lists".... State the Obvious Jul 2016 #10
And what is said kwolf68 Jul 2016 #11
Yes it is very scary we can't let them near the WH rbrnmw Jul 2016 #12
Agreed kwolf68 Jul 2016 #18
As John Heilemann pointed out this morning... brooklynite Jul 2016 #13
Adolf Hitler - speech (English Subtitles). Her Sister Jul 2016 #14
Awful Johnny2X2X Jul 2016 #15
Truly terrifying rbrnmw Jul 2016 #17
I thought he took it a bridge too far Funtatlaguy Jul 2016 #16
Scares the hell outta me. hamsterjill Jul 2016 #19
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #34
Scary? No ... JustABozoOnThisBus Jul 2016 #20
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #21
there is no "normal" anymore. ChairmanAgnostic Jul 2016 #25
I thought Obama being elected would permanently short circuit their brains ToxMarz Jul 2016 #22
8 years ago I flipped my support from Hillary to Obama Cosmocat Jul 2016 #28
Luckily those rabid RW assholes aren't getting any younger. Crowman1979 Jul 2016 #32
Vigilante mobocracy, when freely expressed, should make anyone scared of creeping fascist ancianita Jul 2016 #23
And this will truly scare you: RoverSuswade Jul 2016 #24
He's more likely to nominate Judge Judy to the Supreme Court. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2016 #38
CPR was just done on me. kairos12 Jul 2016 #49
Christie, turn about is fair play, and it will be sweet. Iliyah Jul 2016 #27
The idiots attending the GOP convention are scary Gothmog Jul 2016 #33
That was scary and barbaric AlbertCat Jul 2016 #35
Has there EVER been a call to lock up the opposing candidate? NastyRiffraff Jul 2016 #36
Democrats Timid and Weak billhicks76 Jul 2016 #47
Yes, these so called Constitutionalists wish to imprison her without due process. Trust Buster Jul 2016 #37
They would cheerfully round up and 'concentrate' any people who are PatrickforO Jul 2016 #45
It REALLY IS a high-tech witch burning. calimary Jul 2016 #40
Don't watch. ffr Jul 2016 #42
They do scare me. PatrickforO Jul 2016 #43
We ought to start calling him Buzz Windrip. CrispyQ Jul 2016 #44
It kind of reminded me of "Lord of the Flies". GoCubsGo Jul 2016 #48
Jailing Political Opposition Works So Well... TomCADem Jul 2016 #50
Got a very middle-schoolish, Lord of the Pigs vibe from this crap VulgarPoet Jul 2016 #52
Some are calling for a fire squard Iliyah Jul 2016 #53
Soviet-style (or pick your own dictator) "show trial." Real inspiring. Hekate Jul 2016 #59
K&R~ Cha Jul 2016 #62
I'm not surprised. Jamaal510 Jul 2016 #63
Hateful sobs Catherine Vincent Jul 2016 #64

gordianot

(15,237 posts)
9. I doubt anyone is safe, violence implied has become a way of life.
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 10:18 AM
Jul 2016

This has become more than just access to weapons, in America that genie has been out of the bottle for some time. Like nations people will not disarm or embrace reason.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
54. Psychologist Bob Altemeyer on Trump and THESE people.
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 01:21 PM
Jul 2016
In 1998 I tried to explain why social scientists who are worried about our freedoms have focused on the crowd that would lift a dictator aloft rather than on the autocrat himself: “Wanna-be tyrants in a democracy are just comical figures on soapboxes when they have no following. So the real…threat lay coiled in parts of the population itself, it was thought, ready someday to catapult the next Hitler to power with their votes.

That apprehension was well founded, it turns out. Research suggests that 20-25% of the adults in North America are highly vulnerable to a demagogue who would incite hatred of various minorities to gain power. These people are waiting for a tough “man on horseback” who will supposedly solve all our problems through the ruthless application of force. When such a man gains prominence, you can expect the authoritarian followers to mate devotedly with the authoritarian leader, because each gives the other something they desperately want: the feeling of safety for the followers, and the tremendous power of the modern state for the leader.

I would not say that all of the people trying to carry Donald Trump to the presidency are authoritarian followers. But they likely compose his hard core base. Furthermore, many authoritarian followers presently support Senator Ted Cruz for religious reasons. You can expect most of them to slide into the Trump ranks once Cruz drops out of the race. By summer, the vast majority of authoritarian followers in the United States will likely be for Trump. And so will many others for various reasons.

We know a lot about authoritarian followers, but unfortunately most of what we know indicates it will be almost impossible to change their minds, especially in a few months. Here are a dozen things established by research.

* They are highly ethnocentric, highly inclined to see the world as their in-group versus everyone else. Because they are so committed to their in-group, they are very zealous in its cause.
* They are highly fearful of a dangerous world. Their parents taught them, more than parents usually do, that the world is dangerous. They may also be genetically predisposed to experiencing stronger fear than most people do.
* They are highly self-righteous. They believe they are the “good people” and this unlocks a lot of hostile impulses against those they consider bad.
* They are aggressive. Given the chance to attack someone with the approval of an authority, they will lower the boom.
* They are highly prejudiced against racial and ethnic majorities, non-heterosexuals, and women in general.
* Their beliefs are a mass of contradictions. They have highly compartmentalized minds, in which opposite beliefs exist side-by-side in adjacent boxes. As a result, their thinking is full of double-standards.
* They reason poorly. If they like the conclusion of an argument, they don’t pay much attention to whether the evidence is valid or the argument is consistent.
* They are highly dogmatic. Because they have gotten their beliefs mainly from the authorities in their lives, rather than think things out for themselves, they have no real defense when facts or events indicate they are wrong. So they just dig in their heels and refuse to change.
* They are very dependent on social reinforcement of their beliefs. They think they are right because almost everyone they know, almost every news broadcast they see, almost every radio commentator they listen to, tells them they are. That is, they screen out the sources that will suggest that they are wrong.
* Because they severely limit their exposure to different people and ideas, they vastly overestimate the extent to which other people agree with them. And thinking they are “the moral majority” supports their attacks on the “evil minorities” they see in the country.
* They are easily duped by manipulators who pretend to espouse their causes when all the con-artists really want is personal gain.
* They are largely blind to themselves. They have little self-understanding and insight into why they think and do what they do.

I hasten to add that almost anyone would become more ethnocentric, frightened, self-righteous, and so on if their situations, or our country’s situation, changed enough. And studies find examples of these twelve things in lots of others, not just authoritarian followers. But not as consistently, and not nearly as much.
...
Authoritarian followers in America today are tremendously energized by fear and anger. They’re scared, and they want someone really strong and confident to protect them. It’s a very natural, understandable reaction. As well they’re intensely angry about the way their country is changing, and most pointedly furious with the Republican Party which has won many elections because of their support, and then utterly failed to “get things right again.” So they feel betrayed, and that is a very powerful motivator. ... Authoritarian followers are always waiting for The Leader, and now they firmly believe they’ve found him.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/3/2/1494504/-A-word-from-Dr-Bob-Altemeyer-on-Donald-Trump-and-Authoritarian-Followers


Note that political bigotry can be as virulent as racial bigotry. Altemeyer called these people "equal opportunity bigots" because any group they see as different can be a target of their enmity.

gordianot

(15,237 posts)
57. Excellent analysis I might add a couple aspects.
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 05:33 PM
Jul 2016

Illusionary superiority a tendency among those who lack cognitive skills and education to assume they are actually superior. They tend to follow leaders or reasoning of those who best compliment their world view. This is also known as positive projection and becomes a loop between those who feed and being fed. Every time a certain politician reinforces himself with "good brain" statements he allows those whom he parrots to believe they are correct in their beliefs. As a sales technique maybe not so bad, in the realm of politics dangerous.

Response to Guy Whitey Corngood (Reply #4)

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
51. No distance at all. The difference is in opportunity only.
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 01:07 PM
Jul 2016

If they could be polled, I'm sure that virtually every one would be a strong social (and possibly and religious) conservative.

These are the people who would do that, and when they can they sweep others of weak character and judgement up in one vindictive passion after another.

calimary

(81,192 posts)
41. Well, we actually do have a religious fanatic ON THE TICKET.
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 12:32 PM
Jul 2016

THAT is scary to me.

This is a high-tech witch burning, for sure. Chris Christie proved it last night.

Botany

(70,483 posts)
7. "lock her up"
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 10:16 AM
Jul 2016

Lock her up for what?

Those were screaming feces throwing rabid monkeys who really think that Hillary is
guilty of some kind of crime.

Response to Botany (Reply #7)

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
56. Repukes have been convinced for decades that Hillary is guilty of SOME crime.
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 01:35 PM
Jul 2016

They neither know nor care what specific crime that might be, they're just certain that it has to exist.

Botany

(70,483 posts)
58. And that crime is that she is alive and who she is now
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 07:42 PM
Jul 2016

vince foster
drug running w/Bill in Arkansas
white water
being Sec. of State and using her email
BENGHAZI
Xmas card scam
The Clinton Foundation



State the Obvious

(842 posts)
10. Let's not forget using the words "purge" and "drawing up lists"....
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 10:20 AM
Jul 2016

...that were used in explaining Trump's intentions.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-trump-purge-exclusive-idUSKCN10003A

Don't ignore these insidious statements. They are NOT harmless.

"Those who cannot remember the past...are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana

kwolf68

(7,365 posts)
11. And what is said
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 10:25 AM
Jul 2016

If you told even the average run of the mill Republican this was on the docket within Trumps first 100 days,
they'd go


"GOOD!"

That party is pretty close to ceasing being a legitimate part of our American democracy and now merely exists as some form of an angry mob. If things don't go their way, I expect any number of Beer Hall Putsch uprisings. You've already seen small examples of this (with the wildlife refuge takeover).

Fascism has arrived.

kwolf68

(7,365 posts)
18. Agreed
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 11:03 AM
Jul 2016

The biggest commercial FOR Hillary is simply allowing these people a forum. Sadly, MANY like it, but no way a majority of this nation will sign up for this blather.

brooklynite

(94,487 posts)
13. As John Heilemann pointed out this morning...
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 10:41 AM
Jul 2016

This helped rev up the folks at the Convention, but it's not a message designed to expand Trump's voting pool.

Johnny2X2X

(19,023 posts)
15. Awful
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 10:48 AM
Jul 2016

This is beyond scary, it's here people, a real threat to our Democracy is staring us in the face.

All of this whining about inequality, the Patriot Act, Hillary's emails, and the way the DNC ran the primary are going to seem trivial when this group of thugs starts rounding up liberals to be executed in the public square. When they start throwing the poor and the sick into the streets because it's not the governments responsibility to care for them.

And above all what this group wants more than anything, what they have been dying to be able to do for generations, they want to use nuclear weapons and mark my words, just as sure as Donald Trump wears a hairpiece, they will use nuclear weapons and change the world forever.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
19. Scares the hell outta me.
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 11:03 AM
Jul 2016

I was appalled at the intensity last night. What's worse IMHO is that these people profess to be "Christians" (I am one) and they were exuberantly screaming hate. Radicalized idiots that work themselves up into a frenzy, and cannot be reasoned with.

Yes, that's scary as hell. I worry about Hillary's safety, too. But I think the Secret Service is probably well aware of this stuff, and I hope and pray that they have things covered.

Response to hamsterjill (Reply #19)

Response to rbrnmw (Original post)

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
25. there is no "normal" anymore.
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 11:46 AM
Jul 2016

And that is what worries me about her campaign.

Trump follows no rules, he lies repeatedly, (and gets away with it), he says insane things, (and gets cheered for it), and he is certifiable. What is worse is the people at the convention center. If anything, they are as bad as he.

There will be violence. There will be murder and bloodshed. And it will all be due to the frustrated, the angry, the idiots, all riled up and egged on by Trump.

ToxMarz

(2,166 posts)
22. I thought Obama being elected would permanently short circuit their brains
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 11:39 AM
Jul 2016

I am starting to think electing Hillary will hit them harder than electing a Black President. I guess with the thirty years of demonization it is part of their DNA now.

Cosmocat

(14,561 posts)
28. 8 years ago I flipped my support from Hillary to Obama
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 11:51 AM
Jul 2016

primarily because, while I knew they would be rabid assholes with BHO, I thought it would be less rabid assholish than Hillary.

They somehow managed to be even bigger jackasses to BHO, who is a pretty cool dude who goes well out of his way to not say anything real bombastic toward them, than I thought possible.

Meanwhile, their Hillary derangement is at a level completely unseen in modern american history.

Geeked on by a feckless, self deluded egomaniac, they are hate on steroids.

Just a really sad state of things.

ancianita

(36,016 posts)
23. Vigilante mobocracy, when freely expressed, should make anyone scared of creeping fascist
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 11:43 AM
Jul 2016

fear-driven barbarism.

RoverSuswade

(641 posts)
24. And this will truly scare you:
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 11:45 AM
Jul 2016

President Trump's appointments:

Attorney General - Chris Christie
Chief of Staff - Newt Gingrich
Secretary of State - Sarah Palin
Sec. of Defense - Rudy Giuliani
Sec. of Commerce - Donald rump Jr.
Sec. of Education - nobody (will be abolished)
Sec. of Energy - Jeff Sessions
Sec of the Treasury - Marsha Blackburn
Director of Homeland Security - Texas Gubner Dan Patrick
Director of Health & Human Services - Phil Robertson

Supreme Court nominations:
Rush Limbaugh
Rick Scott
Roberto Gonzales
Dinesh DeSouza



 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
35. That was scary and barbaric
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 12:02 PM
Jul 2016

I didn't think so.

It just came across as lame, stupid and juvenilely tough guy.... like most things GOP.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
36. Has there EVER been a call to lock up the opposing candidate?
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 12:02 PM
Jul 2016

In ANY presidential race? Sure, criticism is expected, even harsh criticism. But calling a candidate a criminal who should be locked up? I can't think of anything approaching that.

Scary, indeed.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
47. Democrats Timid and Weak
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 12:47 PM
Jul 2016

We all shouldve demanded Bush and Cheney be locked up. But the centrists asked us to behave and this is what we get now.

 

Trust Buster

(7,299 posts)
37. Yes, these so called Constitutionalists wish to imprison her without due process.
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 12:10 PM
Jul 2016

I hope Hillary and all Democrats understand that a Trump presidency and a Republican Senate will probably lead to Hillary becoming a political prisoner of the State. Our country has changed. They would imprison all Democrats if they could get away with it.

PatrickforO

(14,569 posts)
45. They would cheerfully round up and 'concentrate' any people who are
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 12:46 PM
Jul 2016

not like them, don't look like them or don't think like them and kill us. Just like the Nazis did not even a century ago.

These people are the scum of the earth and they are definitely not proponents of any kind of democracy.

ffr

(22,668 posts)
42. Don't watch.
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 12:36 PM
Jul 2016

It'll be on C-SPAN reruns online afterwards.

Don't fill your head with this NSW stuff. Pull yourself out of the gutter that is the RNC convention.

PatrickforO

(14,569 posts)
43. They do scare me.
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 12:42 PM
Jul 2016

The right wing, capitalist-owned propaganda apparatus has been fomenting fear and hatred ever since Reagan killed the Fairness Doctrine in 1984.

We've degenerated to the point that the Republican core HATES Democrats, won't be civil to them and actually wants to do them harm.

To my mind, this rabid hatred is tearing apart our social fabric. Look at how Trump has managed to draw out the neo-nazi nuts, KKK people and other racist assholes from under their slimy rocks. He has done everything he can to make overt racism acceptable beyond the usual dog whistles.

This goes against everything this nation should stand for, and the corporate scum and their media shills are the ones who should be arrested and tried for treason, because they are actively trying to tear down this nation. Think about how many of the crazies have machine guns and are organized into ignorant, drooling, but very dangerous 'militia' groups. Look at the assholes that took over the federal land recently in support of the government welfare leech Cliven Bundy.

So what will this land in which we grew up (or at least I did) look like in a decade? Depends on us, I'd say and HOW VIGOROUSLY WE OPPOSE THIS CANCEROUS REPUBLICAN HATRED.

CrispyQ

(36,446 posts)
44. We ought to start calling him Buzz Windrip.
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 12:46 PM
Jul 2016
It Can't Happen Here by Sinclair Lewis

It can happen here.

GoCubsGo

(32,078 posts)
48. It kind of reminded me of "Lord of the Flies".
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 12:51 PM
Jul 2016

It's just a matter of time before they start shouting "Kill the pig. Cut her throat. Bash her in..." Of course, that troglodyte who called for hanging her on the mall has already pretty much done that.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
52. Got a very middle-schoolish, Lord of the Pigs vibe from this crap
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 01:11 PM
Jul 2016

For once, I'm actually bothered by the prospect of Trump getting anywhere close.

Hekate

(90,627 posts)
59. Soviet-style (or pick your own dictator) "show trial." Real inspiring.
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 07:44 PM
Jul 2016

Inspires me to check my passport, is what it does.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
63. I'm not surprised.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 03:13 AM
Jul 2016

I've become numb to that type of behavior from them over the past 8 years. If anything, I would've been shocked if they didn't talk about locking her up after all these months of the witch hunt. The only thing that scares me is if some wingnut tries to vent his/her frustration on people who they perceive to be HC supporters and inflict harm to them.

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