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Writer of Melania Trump's "First Lady" Speech Says Melania Lied. (Original Post) L. Coyote Jul 2016 OP
Has anyone checked this confession statement lapfog_1 Jul 2016 #1
I still can't get over the Rickroll... sarae Jul 2016 #4
I loved the Rickroll fun n serious Jul 2016 #48
Me too!!! yuiyoshida Jul 2016 #53
It's great! fun n serious Jul 2016 #54
yup it as me yuiyoshida Jul 2016 #58
LOL L. Coyote Jul 2016 #6
I don't find it credible anyway. Yesterday the campaign Hortensis Jul 2016 #43
They are all MORONS Florencenj2point0 Jul 2016 #2
Oh, come on. This doesn't pass the smell test. Melania gave her the phrases, word for word, Squinch Jul 2016 #3
The lies just keep piling up and contradicting each other. L. Coyote Jul 2016 #7
Since she's a woman...almost nothing. WhiteTara Jul 2016 #19
I agree. sarae Jul 2016 #9
The excuses are on the "my dog ate my homework" level. stopbush Jul 2016 #13
DUzy L. Coyote Jul 2016 #23
and Melania is a LIAR--she said she wrote the speech (one of the excuses post speech) riversedge Jul 2016 #14
Yes. This puts the blame squarely on Melania, not on the speech writer. This makes it clear Squinch Jul 2016 #20
Exactly. This is all a not-very-well-thought-out plan to try and salvage eastwestdem Jul 2016 #24
She's "creative with the truth." sarae Jul 2016 #28
the claim Melania likes Michelle Obama treestar Jul 2016 #5
Yeah. This is an own goal. auntpurl Jul 2016 #11
Well, at least Michelle isn't evil like Hillary. stopbush Jul 2016 #18
I doubt they like her accent much, either. John Poet Jul 2016 #49
For crying out loud. Melania had to say that as an excuse for stealing her words Sheepshank Jul 2016 #42
Amateur operation Bobbie Jo Jul 2016 #8
Teenagers can keep from plagiarizing papers... sarae Jul 2016 #15
If she is inspired by the values of Michelle Obama Doodley Jul 2016 #10
One thing might be that when she married him, Rump was a Democrat. MoonRiver Jul 2016 #17
She probably fantasizes that she is Michelle Obama sarae Jul 2016 #29
Gotta love these total morons! MoonRiver Jul 2016 #12
"The Meredith McIver letter doesn't look genuine ... that's not pro writing." L. Coyote Jul 2016 #25
I wonder how big a pay bump she received to to the hit? 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #16
New #hashtag ideas everyone? The tweets are rolling in. L. Coyote Jul 2016 #21
So, people in a Trump business are working on the campaign. Are they reporting this? L. Coyote Jul 2016 #22
Colbert: Melania Trump Did Not Plagiarize Her RNC Speech L. Coyote Jul 2016 #26
Fascinating that Michelle Obama is "a person she has always liked" oberliner Jul 2016 #27
That's why McIver calls it the "First Lady" speech, I guess. We all know who the First Lady is. L. Coyote Jul 2016 #30
And Manafort is exposed as a pants on fire liar also. yellowcanine Jul 2016 #31
So Melania lied when she said that she wrote her own speech? MariaThinks Jul 2016 #32
Michelle's speechwriter used to be Hillary's. So McIver plagiarized Hillary speechwriter. The IRONY L. Coyote Jul 2016 #33
Bull. Shit. tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #34
If people in Trump's biz do work on campaign and get paid by the biz, is that a campaign violation? L. Coyote Jul 2016 #37
So....Melania READ her passages from Michelle Obama's speech and she wrote them down.... Avalux Jul 2016 #35
The Michelle Obama pic with "Bring back my speech" is real, the text is photoshopped. L. Coyote Jul 2016 #36
k and r. riversedge Jul 2016 #38
She's apologizing more to the perpetrators than to the victim of the plagiarism. spooky3 Jul 2016 #39
In light of this statement & assuming the speach was real and not peppered with paltitudes and lies Sheepshank Jul 2016 #40
She was notably absent when the Cheeto Incubus arrived in Cleveland today. RonniePudding Jul 2016 #41
Melania Trump Speech Appears To Be An Illegal Campaign Contribution L. Coyote Jul 2016 #44
There's no #MeredithMcIver in Trump's June payroll reported to the FEC. Lawyer up Donald! L. Coyote Jul 2016 #50
Has anyone checked to see Wednesdays Jul 2016 #45
Yes, of course. But we still don't have her long form birth certificate. L. Coyote Jul 2016 #46
Another DU'er posted this yesterday - she found this on Google Picture Search womanofthehills Jul 2016 #55
Yes, there's an entire thread about it. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #56
Trump: "Good news is Melania's speech got more publicity than any in the history of politics ....." L. Coyote Jul 2016 #47
Did the Trump campaign violate federal law by using a Trump Organization speechwriter? L. Coyote Jul 2016 #51
Dem PAC charges Trump campaign with breaking finance laws L. Coyote Jul 2016 #52
Deposed Trump threw McIver under the bus for inflating financials. Bet they're deleting e-mails now L. Coyote Jul 2016 #57

lapfog_1

(29,199 posts)
1. Has anyone checked this confession statement
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 12:41 PM
Jul 2016

to see if it is plagiarized?

Did she also admit to Rickrolling Melania in front of millions of viewers?

 

fun n serious

(4,451 posts)
54. It's great!
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 04:07 PM
Jul 2016

I think I have seen it 30 times now. I crack up every time. I refuse to believe it was a coincidence. Not when it is entangled in a cripped speech.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
6. LOL
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 12:51 PM
Jul 2016

Michael Barbaro ?@mikiebarb 18 minutes ago
As first reported by the NYT: Meredith McIver was involved in Melania's speech with borrowed Obama language:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/20/us/politics/melania-trump-convention-speech.html

Sarah Burris ?@SarahBurris
Trump campaign blaming ghostwriter Meredith McIver for Melania plagiarism scandal
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/07/trump-campaign-blaming-ghostwriter-meredith-mciver-for-melania-plagiarism-scandal/

Saint James Hartline ?@JamesHartline
@Stand4Justice1 Trumprats Soil Their TrumPampers: TrumpU hack Meredith McIver wrote Melania's plagarized speech
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/03/trump-university-lawsuit-documents-220181



Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
43. I don't find it credible anyway. Yesterday the campaign
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 03:54 PM
Jul 2016

was literally pointing the finger at Melania, making her the fall guy for this person's dreadful mistake? Uhuh.

I do believe Melania lied on the plane when asked if she was practicing her speech. Such a foolish lie, pretending she wrote it almost entirely herself and had no need to practice before delivering it to an audience of 30 million people. That's very likely what Trump wanted her to say, though.

I'll take this gift gladly because He. Must. Not. Win. But it's clear she's not exactly in charge of her life either.

Squinch

(50,941 posts)
3. Oh, come on. This doesn't pass the smell test. Melania gave her the phrases, word for word,
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 12:49 PM
Jul 2016

so close to the original that they made it into the speech in the form they did. So then when the speech was given back to Melania how did she not see that Michelle's exact words were in her speech?

She knew these passages well enough to dictate them to the speech writer. She knew where she got them. And then, what? She forgot them between when she dictated them to the speechwriter and when she read the finished speech?

Bullshit.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
7. The lies just keep piling up and contradicting each other.
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 12:53 PM
Jul 2016

How much does Trump pay people to take a fall?

sarae

(3,284 posts)
9. I agree.
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 12:56 PM
Jul 2016

They're scapegoating MacIver so Melania can save face.

The best part is that all the Obama-hating racists have to hear that Melania greatly admires the First Lady.

stopbush

(24,395 posts)
13. The excuses are on the "my dog ate my homework" level.
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 12:58 PM
Jul 2016

Both the person offering the excuse and the people hearing the excuse know it's a transparent lie.

Squinch

(50,941 posts)
20. Yes. This puts the blame squarely on Melania, not on the speech writer. This makes it clear
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 01:06 PM
Jul 2016

that it entirely Melania's doing.

 

eastwestdem

(1,220 posts)
24. Exactly. This is all a not-very-well-thought-out plan to try and salvage
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 01:20 PM
Jul 2016

Melania's reputation. Why else would the staffer not have been fired? She has some guarantee of lifelong employment if she 'confessed'. The Drumf camp knew she would never be able to get another job if they blamed her and then fired her.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
5. the claim Melania likes Michelle Obama
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 12:51 PM
Jul 2016

is an interesting one. You wouldn't think Trump would approve of this.

auntpurl

(4,311 posts)
11. Yeah. This is an own goal.
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 12:57 PM
Jul 2016

How will the rabidly Obama-hating base feel about Melania's warm fuzzies towards Michelle Obama? Not great, I suspect.

stopbush

(24,395 posts)
18. Well, at least Michelle isn't evil like Hillary.
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 01:00 PM
Jul 2016

To the rabid haters, Michelle's only fault is being black...and a woman.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
42. For crying out loud. Melania had to say that as an excuse for stealing her words
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 03:53 PM
Jul 2016

If this were a real like or respect for Michelle, there would have attribution in her speech to the grand, wise person who said it first.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
8. Amateur operation
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 12:55 PM
Jul 2016

Top to bottom.

These people CANNOT be put in any position of authority.

What a friggin train wreck.

sarae

(3,284 posts)
15. Teenagers can keep from plagiarizing papers...
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 12:58 PM
Jul 2016

but not the Trumps!!

I feel so secure in their choice for nominee.

Doodley

(9,078 posts)
10. If she is inspired by the values of Michelle Obama
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 12:56 PM
Jul 2016

why is she trying to put Donald Trump in the White House?

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
17. One thing might be that when she married him, Rump was a Democrat.
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 12:59 PM
Jul 2016

The Clintons even attended their wedding!

sarae

(3,284 posts)
29. She probably fantasizes that she is Michelle Obama
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 02:03 PM
Jul 2016

with all the genuine respect and admiration Michelle gets...and the funny, compassionate, kind and handsome husband she has. A husband who isn't an object of ridicule. Who can blame her?

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
25. "The Meredith McIver letter doesn't look genuine ... that's not pro writing."
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 01:25 PM
Jul 2016

Fukiu ?@FukiuPoetry 2 minutes ago
@evanasmith The Meredith McIver letter doesn't look genuine. I haven't read her books to compare style, but that's not pro writing.

It just keeps getting deeper and better.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
21. New #hashtag ideas everyone? The tweets are rolling in.
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 01:06 PM
Jul 2016

Gwen Orel ?@gwenorel1 1 minute ago Millburn, NJ
Why is #Trump rejecting #meredithmciver resignation? That letter not only reveals plagiarism it's AWFUL, no style at all.

Tswelelo Mogotsi ?@iamtswelelo 4 minutes ago Botswana
you need people like me, "Meredith McIver" so that you can point a finger and say that's the bad guy.

Elaine ?@goddesslaney 5 minutes ago
#Meredith McIver. If Melania READ parts of Michelle Obama's speech to Meredith, then wouldn't it follow that she KNEW she was stealing? Duh.

Kim B. ?@QueenKim_B 8 minutes ago
@realDonaldTrump probably paid Meredith McIver to take the blame for speech...#CNN

Thomas Keister ?@thomaskeister 12 minutes ago
Now that Meredith McIver has apologized, where's Meliana's apology for saying she wrote the speech all by her lonesome?






L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
22. So, people in a Trump business are working on the campaign. Are they reporting this?
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 01:16 PM
Jul 2016
Or is this going to be a clear violation of campaign laws?

hayley krischer ?@hayleykrischer 2 minutes ago
I like how Meredith McIver used the word "hysteria" bc it suggests that the general public are a bunch of teenage girls at a Bieber concert

Kick ?@MatthewKick 3 minutes ago
Meet Meredith McIver.


pamelawella ?@pamelawella 4 minutes ago
I just observed the "Meredith McIver" Facebook page being built...from scratch.
https://www.facebook.com/Meredith-McIver-138557773242994/


 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
27. Fascinating that Michelle Obama is "a person she has always liked"
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 01:43 PM
Jul 2016

If that is true, it is quite telling.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
30. That's why McIver calls it the "First Lady" speech, I guess. We all know who the First Lady is.
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 02:28 PM
Jul 2016

It is a great second admission of the plagiarism

Sarah Cooper ?@sarahcpr 45 minutes ago San Francisco, CA
Photo of Meredith McIver at home


Chelsea Peretti Verified account ?@chelseaperetti Jul 18
Melania really sounded like a first lady! A specific, current one


yellowcanine

(35,699 posts)
31. And Manafort is exposed as a pants on fire liar also.
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 02:33 PM
Jul 2016

McIver says she offered to resign yesterday. Manafort was still stonewalling this morning on this to Chris Cuomo.

MariaThinks

(2,495 posts)
32. So Melania lied when she said that she wrote her own speech?
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 02:34 PM
Jul 2016

how dare they called Hillary crooked, when the trumps can't stop lying about everything.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
33. Michelle's speechwriter used to be Hillary's. So McIver plagiarized Hillary speechwriter. The IRONY
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 02:37 PM
Jul 2016

The levels of irony! Hillary is their go-to person when they don't know WTF to say, and she is their go to person when the hunt Lucifer.

Jon Favreau @jonfavs
Sarah Hurwitz, Michelle's head speechwriter, used to be Hillary's. So the Trump campaign plagiarized from a Hillary speechwriter.

oregon_girl ?@oregon_girl3
It just keeps getting better. 😂😂😂

Sonia Mota ?@SoniaKatiMota
and the best part is that the Republicans all cheered and clapped their hands for Michelle Obama's speech

Jon Favreau ?@jonfavs
The official GOP message to voters is that their political opponent is a criminal who should be jailed.

tallahasseedem

(6,716 posts)
34. Bull. Shit.
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 02:50 PM
Jul 2016

I'm not buying this for a minute. McIver is the proud new owner of an offshore account with some cash with that statement.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
37. If people in Trump's biz do work on campaign and get paid by the biz, is that a campaign violation?
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 03:35 PM
Jul 2016

This could get more interesting. No one is thinking ahead.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
35. So....Melania READ her passages from Michelle Obama's speech and she wrote them down....
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 02:53 PM
Jul 2016

and included them in Melania's speech. Then she didn't bother to check the speech. WTF? She KNEW the words were from Michelle's speech.

Is that pic of Michelle real?

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
36. The Michelle Obama pic with "Bring back my speech" is real, the text is photoshopped.
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 03:00 PM
Jul 2016

At least I think so. I've seen it before with other messages, or I'm getting too old.

spooky3

(34,430 posts)
39. She's apologizing more to the perpetrators than to the victim of the plagiarism.
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 03:46 PM
Jul 2016

Just one of the many things that are wrong about this.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
40. In light of this statement & assuming the speach was real and not peppered with paltitudes and lies
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 03:48 PM
Jul 2016

....Melania's family background and life struggles and spouse are exactly the same as Michelle's?

 

RonniePudding

(889 posts)
41. She was notably absent when the Cheeto Incubus arrived in Cleveland today.
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 03:49 PM
Jul 2016

If reports are accurate that she was "over" the whole thing before she even gave the speech, I'd guess she's even less enthusiastic about it now.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
44. Melania Trump Speech Appears To Be An Illegal Campaign Contribution
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 05:43 PM
Jul 2016

I wasn't the only one to notice this:

Melania Trump Speech Appears To Be An Illegal Campaign Contribution
Ethics watchdogs suggest that’s another oops for the Trump campaign.
07/20/2016 02:32 pm

CLEVELAND ― The revelation that Donald Trump’s business staff writer Meredith McIver wrote the partly plagiarized speech given by Melania Trump on Monday night raises questions about whether his campaign is illegally commingling corporate and campaign resources.

McIver does not appear to have any official role in the presidential campaign. Her letter acknowledging her role in the speech debacle appeared on corporate letterhead from the Trump Organization. And she is not listed as being paid by the Trump campaign on any available reports filed with the Federal Election Commission.

Corporations are banned from donating directly or through in-kind services to political campaigns. McIver could have volunteered her services, but her offer to resign from the Trump Organization suggests that she was acting within her job responsibilities. (Donald Trump rejected that offer.)

“Given the identification of McIver as an ‘in-house staff writer’ at the Trump Organization in both the statement and letter, and her resignation from the Trump Organization ― printed on Trump Organization stationary ― and not the campaign, it appears that corporate resources may have been used to prepare the speech,” said Jordan Libowitz, communications director for the campaign finance watchdog Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. “That would make the speech an illegal in-kind corporate contribution from the Trump Organization to the campaign.”

..............

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
50. There's no #MeredithMcIver in Trump's June payroll reported to the FEC. Lawyer up Donald!
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 12:50 AM
Jul 2016

Matt ?@mattemeterio
There's no #MeredithMcIver in Trump's June payroll reported to the FEC.


L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
46. Yes, of course. But we still don't have her long form birth certificate.
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 10:30 PM
Jul 2016

Charles Johnson ?@Green_Footballs
This is supposedly a photo of Meredith McIver (left).
Source: http://www.prweb.com/releases/2011/10/prweb8921027.htm


Piers Morgan ?@piersmorgan 7 hours ago
I've had many dealings with @realDonaldTrump's aide Meredith McIver. Very smart, very loyal lady. Feel for her.

Slate Verified account ?@Slate4 hours ago
Some people think Donald Trump invented Meredith McIver. Some people are wrong: http://slate.me/2ahDVvq

Molly Knight Verified account ?@molly_knight 7 hours ago
News outlets are citing Meredith McIver's Speakerpedia page as proof she exists. I'm going to need to see her long form birth certificate.

womanofthehills

(8,690 posts)
55. Another DU'er posted this yesterday - she found this on Google Picture Search
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 04:55 PM
Jul 2016

Not a great Photoshop job - notice Trump has some of the woman on the rights hair on his shoulders. Thanks Her Sister.

Warren DeMontague

(80,708 posts)
56. Yes, there's an entire thread about it.
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 04:58 PM
Jul 2016
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2270098

Im starting to think the twitter account may just be someone trolling, because they have posted a series of photoshops even worse than that first one.



If it's really Trump's team, then they are more inept than anyone could have possibly imagined.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
47. Trump: "Good news is Melania's speech got more publicity than any in the history of politics ....."
Wed Jul 20, 2016, 10:45 PM
Jul 2016

Nick Jack Pappas ?@Pappiness
I know you're not the best writer, Meredith McIver, so I fixed a few things:


Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
Good news is Melania's speech got more publicity than any in the history of politics especially if you believe that all press is good press!
Retweets 11,269 Likes 38,297



The Hive ?@VFHIVE 11 hours ago .@realDonaldTrump

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
51. Did the Trump campaign violate federal law by using a Trump Organization speechwriter?
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 12:52 PM
Jul 2016
Did the Trump campaign violate federal law by using a Trump Organization speechwriter?

"My name is Meredith McIver," it began, "and I'm an in-house staff writer at the Trump Organization." McIver explains how she was working with Melania on the speech when the candidate's wife read out some passages from Michelle Obama's 2008 convention speech. Those passages were then accidentally included in the draft Trump used, for which McIver, later in the note, apologizes. Done and done; the truth has come out.

But there's another problem. Notice the letterhead of the statement: The Trump Organization, which is to say Donald Trump's personal business. And notice how McIver describes herself: As an employee of the Trump Organization, not the campaign.

If Trump used corporate resources to write a political speech, that could be illegal.

"On the face of it, this looks like a corporate violation," explained Lawrence Noble, general counsel for the Campaign Legal Center. And that is "a violation of federal law. It can result in civil penalties to the corporation and the campaign." If the campaign used corporate resources "willingly and knowingly," the offense is a criminal one.

..............

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
52. Dem PAC charges Trump campaign with breaking finance laws
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 01:26 PM
Jul 2016
Dem PAC charges Trump campaign with breaking finance laws

A Democratic super PAC has filed a federal complaint against Donald Trump's campaign with the Federal Election Commission on Thursday that charges the campaign with breaking campaign finance laws regarding Melania Trump's speechwriter.

The complaint, filed by the Democratic Coalition Against Trump, alleges five violations. They are: illegally accepting direct corporate contributions, accepting services from a volunteer that were actually compensated, use of the Trump corporate name or trademark to facilitate campaign contributions, illegal use of corporate facilities by a campaign volunteer and knowingly allowing volunteers to exceed the transportation expense limit.

Meredith McIver, the speechwriter in question, admitted to using words from Michelle Obama's 2008 speech in Melania Trump's speech. But in the same apology letter, she admitted that was serving as a volunteer to the Trump campaign, and working via the Trump Corporation to aide the campaign, which is against campaign finance laws.

...........


I'm uncertain who would face any criminal charges involved, but that would likely be Donald J. Trump since his name is literally all over this. Lawyer up Donald.

And, my personal advice, now would be a good time to exercise your right to remain silent.

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
57. Deposed Trump threw McIver under the bus for inflating financials. Bet they're deleting e-mails now
Thu Jul 21, 2016, 05:06 PM
Jul 2016

When we deposed Trump in our lawsuit, he threw Meredith McIver under the bus for inflating his financials:

Tim O'Brien Verified account @TimOBrien
6:36 PM - 20 Jul 2016

Royce Hansen ?@kidpoulsbo 6 minutes ago
Trump Has Faulted Staffer Who Took Blame For Melania Plagiarism Before @TPM
http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/trump-blamed-meredith-mciver-before

Philip Bump Verified account @pbump
Manafort said this a.m. that “none of [campaign staff]” knew McIver was working on speech. That would violate law.

In other words, all the emails have already been deleted.

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