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Here's a photo, supposedly of Trump and McIver
Here's another one, same image of McIver in same room, no Trump
Photos can be seen on: https://twitter.com/imeredithmciver which is obviously fake and was created yesterday.
No Facebook or LinkedIn can be found.
No media have been able to contact her.
No record of her being on the Trump campaign payroll.
No evidence at all that she exists.
More info on on: https://www.good.is/articles/will-the-real-meredith-mciver-stand-up
This story is bigger than the plagiarism scandal that started it. It is bigger than the denial by the Trump Campaign. It is bigger than the campaign manager blaming Hillary Clinton. This is a story that needs to run and run.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)Now will the media do their jobs?
white_wolf
(6,238 posts)I didn't use that particular picture, but I called "her" out on other obvious photoshop in a recent article and even linked to the original. It was so blatant I was worried I had stumbled onto a troll account. Now will the mainstream media call him out? Somehow, I doubt it.
Doodley
(9,048 posts)Do you have a link to your article, I would love to read that.
white_wolf
(6,238 posts)Doodley
(9,048 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)riversedge
(70,093 posts)Meredith McIver ?@imeredithmciver 8h8 hours ago
Meredith McIver Retweeted Janelle, Janelle
I assure you I am real, and that none of these photos are "photoshopped."
Doodley
(9,048 posts)But is it a hoax by an independent troll, or a troll within the campaign. Again. this is all good fodder for a Trump reality show about the campaign after he loses the election.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)tblue37
(65,227 posts)Maven
(10,533 posts)It just...has to be. The bad photoshops are too much of a tip-off. No one would possibly be that clueless in trying to pull off a deception like this.
That said, I am still not convinced that Meredith McIver is a real person.
white_wolf
(6,238 posts)Because honestly it was so fake that I didn't think it could be real. It was just too obvious.
MADem
(135,425 posts)NYT says she is a retired ballet dancer.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/21/us/politics/melania-trump-speech-meredith-mciver.html?_r=0
She tried her hand at short stories and poems in the style of Dylan Thomas before finding work writing advertising copy. She was always very, very interested in writing as an art form, said an ex-boyfriend, Stephen Palitz.
He said Ms. McIver brought a dancers discipline, precision and rigor to her work. Shes adept at crystallizing phrases and saying things in an elegant straightforward way.
Document: Trump Aides Statement on Melania Trumps Speech
This week, Ms. McIver returned to center stage for her writing, but not in the manner she might have hoped.
My name is Meredith McIver and Im an in-house staff writer at the Trump Organization, began an extraordinary statement she released Wednesday morning in which she took the blame for the disastrous plagiarism of Michelle Obama in Melania Trumps prime-time speech Monday at the Republican National Convention.
In the statement, Ms. McIver, a 65-year-old co-author of several books with Donald J. Trump, said that as she and Ms. Trump were preparing her speech, Ms. Trump mentioned that she admired Mrs. Obama and read to Ms. McIver parts of the first ladys 2008 speech at the Democratic convention.
Ms. McIver said she had inadvertently left portions of the Obama speech in the final draft.
This was my mistake, she wrote. She wrote that she had offered her resignation, but that the Trumps had rejected it. Mr. Trump told me that people make innocent mistakes and that we learn and grow from these experiences......
The whole article is worth a look.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Here's McIver in a picture from Trump's book "How to Get Rich", which she co-wrote.
"Meredith McIver, Rhona Graff, and Norma Foerderer of The Trump Organization"
That's the same woman in the photoshops.
But I gotta believe that the twitter account is fake.
Sid
There's nothing in the article about any independent and reliable source actually confirming that she exists or that she did what is claimed. San opportunist, i.e., anyone associated with trump, would have a verifiable online history. She doesn't.
Family?
Non trump related friends
Actual people who can show non photoshopped images of her.
Etc.
MADem
(135,425 posts)AND her ballet work; there's got to be a record of that.
I think she is real. I think she knows a lot of Trump secrets, and is a willing dogsbody.
Doodley
(9,048 posts)puffy socks
(1,473 posts)to get away with plagerizing Michelle Obama's speech.
So yeah, I'd say Mr and Mrs Trump would possibly be that clueless in trying to pull off a deception like this.
KT2000
(20,568 posts)she has adopted the trump superlatives - fantastic! most successful company in the world!, tremendous and wonderful direction (letter), wonderful as in wonderful trump, wonderful family, wonderful John Barron and John Miller, wonderful time (writing book with trump)
She has either been brainwashed or this is trump on twitter.
King_Klonopin
(1,306 posts)He has been caught pretending to be other people.
I think he is McIver and McGruber
KT2000
(20,568 posts)Exactly - why would she say the fake PR guys John Miller and John Barron were wonderful. BTW - Barron is his son's name.
Squinch
(50,922 posts)going on.
I think this woman is just part of a sham.
Doodley
(9,048 posts)he has somebody to blame for factual errors.
whopis01
(3,491 posts)It's clearly someone trolling. The photoshops are meant to look awful.
Doodley
(9,048 posts)Doodley
(9,048 posts)Wednesdays
(17,321 posts)It's entirely possible to create a 3d model of a person that does not exist in reality, and make it look so life-like, no one cold tell the difference. Ergo, even the woman in the photo could have been synthesized.
KT2000
(20,568 posts)her arms up at the podium looks absolutely strange. (on the twitter page)
berni_mccoy
(23,018 posts)On edit: did a quick search. Original here:
bullimiami
(13,076 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)got more years away from ballet than she spent growing up, learning to dance, and dancing professionally. It was a brief career, but yes, she looks like she has the build of a ballerina.
bullimiami
(13,076 posts)sarae
(3,284 posts)Doing investigative work on 65yo ex-ballerinas...
How the fck did we get here?! Thanks, Donald!
Wounded Bear
(58,605 posts)KT2000
(20,568 posts)#sad indeed.
LittleGirl
(8,280 posts)his hair is parted on the wrong side too!
TeamPooka
(24,210 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)Probably hiding out at an undisclosed location with John Miller...
Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)Something is a hit off. I think they could not find a left hand version of the thumb up and so they flipped a right hand version.
riversedge
(70,093 posts)Meredith McIver ?@imeredithmciver 10h10 hours ago
Meredith McIver Retweeted Katy Vernon
I'll be reporting you to the authorities for abuse.
Meredith McIver added,
Katy Vernon @LondonKaty
You're hilarious #deleteyourfakeaccount https://twitter.com/imeredithmciver/status/755905054004027392
1 retweet 3 likes
Meredith McIver ?@imeredithmciver 10h10 hours ago
Meredith McIver Retweeted (((Rav KellyL)))
Thank you!
Meredith McIver added,
(((Rav KellyL))) @ExitPass
the @imeredithMcIver account is really informative.
0 retweets 0 likes
Meredith McIver ?@imeredithmciver 10h10 hours ago
Meredith McIver Retweeted Jon Segall
You would do the same thing to defend your name.
Meredith McIver added,
Jon Segall @JonSegall
.@imeredithmciver @realDonaldTrump C'mon that is a total photoshop... Ok really guys stop this. Just stop... This is bad. New account today?
0 retweets 0 likes
Meredith McIver ?@imeredithmciver 10h10 hours ago
Meredith McIver Retweeted Joy Reid
It feels good to be vindicated!
Meredith McIver added,
Joy Reid @JoyAnnReid
Finally, an answer! #MeredithMcIver IS real. No, she's not a Democrat (not anymore) - https://twitter.com/tsgnews/status/755876662697455617 @tsgnews
0 retweets 0 likes
Meredith McIver ?@imeredithmciver 10h10 hours ago
Meredith McIver Retweeted Katy Vernon
As you can see, I'm not wearing a bracelet in that picture, so no, it is not the same picture.
Meredith McIver added,
Katy Vernon @LondonKaty
@imeredithmciver @realDonaldTrump um, isn't this the exact same pic?? #photoshop
1 retweet 2 likes
Katy Vernon
?@LondonKaty
@imeredithmciver @realDonaldTrump
um, isn't this the exact same pic?? #photoshop
Meredith McIver ?@imeredithmciver 10h10 hours ago
Meredith McIver Retweeted Social Media Jobs
I felt I had to join to set the record straight. Unfortunately, many fake accounts began popping up too...
Meredith McIver added,
Social Media Jobs @JobsinSosh
So did Meredith McIver just join Twitter 6 hours ago? @imeredithmciver so confused as all her #socialmedia accounts were created today
0 retweets 1 like
Meredith McIver ?@imeredithmciver 10h10 hours ago
Meredith McIver Retweeted AnonBruja
Both John Miller and John Barron are wonderful people. Why do you enjoy trying to tear apart people's lives?
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)A really obvious bad photoshop job. Also the clone tool "window" by the left side of his head.
mindfulNJ
(2,367 posts)You can still see the lady's hair behind the pasted Trump. WTF.
randome
(34,845 posts)And both rooms are exactly the same. Not sure why the OP said "different room". It's the same room and both desks are exactly the same.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)[/center][/font][hr]
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Whoops!
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)He's running for President.
mindfulNJ
(2,367 posts)She has photoshopped the same pic in the same jacket onto someone else's body.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)mindfulNJ
(2,367 posts)This is so freakin weird.
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)At a trump rally
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)mindfulNJ
(2,367 posts)That jacket was a great investment piece! It goes with everything
LMAOOO
My stomach hurts...please...stop...
NeverDump
(32 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)mindfulNJ
(2,367 posts)lillypaddle
(9,580 posts)These people are just not normal in any sense of the word. Damn.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Rickroll and all.
greymattermom
(5,751 posts)than the rest of the picture. Her linkedin account is totally fake looking too. Maybe Rachel can try to get an interview with her. I think it's him.
mindfulNJ
(2,367 posts)or it's a fake twitter account, not the real Meredith McIver, if she really exists. SO BIZARRE.
JHB
(37,157 posts)bullimiami
(13,076 posts)No pictures. No video. No nothing.
That doesn't seem possible.
Snarkoleptic
(5,997 posts)IMHO
NBachers
(17,083 posts)Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Her Sister
(6,444 posts)?@JoyAnnReid
Serious question: has any news outlet seen or interviewed Meredith McIver? Asking because of the GOP candidate's history of using aliases.
Serious question: has any news outlet seen or interviewed Meredith McIver? Asking because of the GOP candidate's history of using aliases.
NBachers
(17,083 posts)Doodley
(9,048 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)no freakin' way is that a real account.
Sid
mindfulNJ
(2,367 posts)I think? You never know with Trump. His ego is big enough that he might think he could pull this off...or it is his way of trying to get out of this whole thing.
There are no other links to this Meredith person anywhere else. Bizarre.
randome
(34,845 posts)What do you mean by "different room"? They are the same. They are exactly the same.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)[/center][/font][hr]
MineralMan
(146,262 posts)You could edit your OP to reflect that.
Doodley
(9,048 posts)Tommy_Carcetti
(43,155 posts)So whoever this lady is probably has some relationship with Trump, but probably not a high ranking one. Whether that's the Meredith McIver or someone else, who knows?
She could in fact totally exist...but I seriously doubt she's the one who wrote the plagiarized speech for Michelle Trump.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)?@imeredithmciver
I just wanted to set the record straight. @realDonaldTrump is a wonderful man.
https://twitter.com/imeredithmciver/status/755872297823510528
"I have known Donna Root since 2005 when we worked together speaking throughout the United States. I had the opportunity to work with Donna as well as to hear her speak all over the country. She has a dynamic presence, positive and clear thought provoking program. Donna is passionate about lifting other people up and helping them reach their greatest potential. Donna's integrity is an attribute that adds significantly to her dimensions as a speaker, consultant, writer and a friend. It has been a joy to be able to work with this amazing woman."
http://prosperinfluence.org/testimonials/
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)jcgoldie
(11,613 posts)Her friends are listed as John Barron and John Miller. Seriously?
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Her Sister
(6,444 posts)jcgoldie
(11,613 posts)Friends With
Donald Trump
Melania Trump
John Barron
John Miller
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)jcgoldie
(11,613 posts)If she had any friends that weren't Trumps or fake Trumps lol.
Her Sister
(6,444 posts)Her Sister
(6,444 posts)With Diamond Donna Root
So out of curiosity seeing the name pop up with regards to the whole speech plagiarism I decided to google who this lady was. This was the first image that popped up. I've seen part of it used elsewhere where you can make out Root's hair in other images.
With Donald Trump
This image was number 5 or 6 and was from Mciver's twitter page... You can see Root's hair behind his head and the fact that Mciver never moves so much as a muscle in the two photos makes me think someone has been photoshopping poorly again.
I looked and it's true! Why the need to photoshop this photo?
jcgoldie
(11,613 posts)The question I have is are these profiles coming from Mciver herself or pranksters having fun on the internet?
bluestateguy
(44,173 posts)To be fair here not everybody has an online presence.
Or she could just be a composite character of several people.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)Her Sister
(6,444 posts)With Diamond Donna Root
So out of curiosity seeing the name pop up with regards to the whole speech plagiarism I decided to google who this lady was. This was the first image that popped up. I've seen part of it used elsewhere where you can make out Root's hair in other images.
With Donald Trump
This image was number 5 or 6 and was from Mciver's twitter page... You can see Root's hair behind his head and the fact that Mciver never moves so much as a muscle in the two photos makes me think someone has been photoshopping poorly again.
I looked and it's true! Why the need to photoshop this photo?
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)womanofthehills
(8,665 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)And not have people notice.
It doesnt really pass the smell test.
But then someone put a rickroll in the speech, too. Who knows what the truth is anymore.
NeverDump
(32 posts)There is another pic on Twitter where she is photoshopped over Ivanka.
http://twitter.com/imeredithmciver/status/755874044990230528/photo/1
What the hell is wrong with this family?
PS. Hi everyone. First time poster but been reading for a while.
jcgoldie
(11,613 posts)That account has to be a fake.
DonRedwood
(4,359 posts)eppur_se_muova
(36,247 posts)DesertRat
(27,995 posts)Qutzupalotl
(14,289 posts)L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)brooklynite
(94,376 posts)RapSoDee
(421 posts)This horrible pack of Republican lies must be outed. And all the others as well.
woodsprite
(11,905 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)yardwork
(61,539 posts)That top photo is obviously photoshopped. The people in it are not in the same proportion.
If Donald Trump made up a person who took the fall for plagiarizing Michelle Obama's words in Melania Trump's speech, thus faking the letter from this person, it's hard to describe how big a story that would be. (That's assuming that the media didn't turn tail and run away from it, which they seem to be doing.)
As far as I know, it would be unprecedented for a major party's presidential candidate to have actually *made up* the person supposedly responsible for the campaign's unethical lapse.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)One, the person does exist, but is reclusive and/or not terribly internet savvy, and the twitter account is just some wag having a good time.
Two, the person does not exist, and the twitter account is some wag having a good time.
Three, the person does not exist, and the twitter account is just a mind-boggling inept attempt by someone with the Trump campaign to maintain the charade.
Of all of them, (3) strikes me as the most unlikely, because the photoshops are just THAT BAD. Still, someone also stuck the rickroll in Melania's speech, so who the fuck knows. Maybe there's a 4th option, in that 4chan has stuck a mole in Trump's campaign and is performing a deep operation mindfuck for the lulz.
The only possibility that clearly is NOT logically rational is that this person is real, exists, and this is their actual twitter account.
yardwork
(61,539 posts)Note that one of the ghostwritten books has a title very similar to the original rickroll. I see two possibilities re that - one, the ghostwriter rickrolled Trump years ago or two, Trump's team is that dumb.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)The fact that she said "He will never give up. And he will never, ever let you down" It could be a coincidence, but it's still pretty funny.
yardwork
(61,539 posts)Trump Never Give Up, written by Donald Trump with Meredith McIver, published in 2008.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Doodley
(9,048 posts)womanofthehills
(8,665 posts)Meredith McIver: The mystery of the Trump employee behind Melanias plagiarised RNC 2016 speech
There is growing speculation that the name is simply an alias, a fictional name for the Trump campaign to hide behind as Republicans and Democrats alike are furious that the potential First Lady has fluffed her first major appearance.
Is this another of Mr Trumps scams, surrounding himself with make believe friends?
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/meredith-mciver-rnc-speechwriter-melania-trump-donald-trump-allias-a7147081.html
LAS14
(13,769 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,271 posts)seems to it to rest:
'Would you get me a biography please!'
Meredith McIver, one of the assistants who doubles as his ghost writer, scuttles in with a few sheets of paper, on which a company bio is printed in bold and written in similar fashion: 'A schoolboy's dream ... a competitor's challenge. Donald J Trump is the very definition of the American success story. In August 2006, Mr Trump was voted by the staff and writers of Business Week as one of the Top 10 most competitive business people on the planet.'
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2007/jan/07/media.citynews
They'd have no reason to play along with inventing that.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Someone jumped on twitter and started fucking around though, and it's hysterically funny.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,271 posts)But they've been introducing someone by that name to people for years, and using that name as a co-writer/ghost writer on several Trump books for years, and there are some public records for someone of that name in New York. If the dubious-looking photo hadn't appeared, I don't think anyone would take "she doesn't exist" seriously.
randome
(34,845 posts)I'd hardly call that 'meeting her'. I'm not one to jump on speculation of this type but I'm seriously wondering what's up with this person.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.
Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)[/center][/font][hr]
muriel_volestrangler
(101,271 posts)Yes, it literally was 'meeting her'. She comes back in later, and takes down the details of some guy who said something good about Trump. The article points out she wrote some of the 'Trump' books. They have indeed used her name, on the covers. There's basic public information about someone with that name in New York - buying property, registering to vote.
OK, what's "up" with her? Is the problem that she didn't have a Twitter of Facebook account, and now someone had made those up?
randome
(34,845 posts)She may be on the payroll but that doesn't mean she works in an office. It's starting to look to me like her 'job' is to show up briefly when it may be advantageous and then to quickly disappear again.
And anyone can claim to have helped write a book. Someone with that name in real life does not mean it's the same person who has been tirelessly working for Trump for all these years.
I still get emails at work for the 'other' randome at my office.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]If you're not committed to anything, you're just taking up space.
Gregory Peck, Mirage (1965)[/center][/font][hr]
muriel_volestrangler
(101,271 posts)It's there in front of you, in black and white.
"It's starting to look to me like her 'job' is to show up briefly when it may be advantageous and then to quickly disappear again."
You're talking as if you've had a watch on Trump's offices for the past 10 years. You claim it was "advantageous" that she had a walk-on role in a Trump interview in 2007, but you think you should have more personal knowledge of her movements since then.
What is it, in your extensive knowledge of the Trump office personnel in the past decade, that troubles you?
mindfulNJ
(2,367 posts)to me that Ms. McIver was, and still is, a paid fall guy for Trump.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)and why put this lame stuff out there?