So i get that some people who don't like Clinton will vote for Jill Stein

[La Lioness Priyanka]

and while i think Stein is dumb and irresponsible, I understand moving from Sanders to Stein.

However, I really don't understand moving from Sanders to a libertarian like Gary Johnson. Libertarian policies are completely opposed to the core of Sanders message of democratic socialism. They are fiscally incredibly conservative. Hence that is a switch I really don't believe is driven by any understanding of policy.

Can anyone explain that to me?

[liberal N proud]

1. In this election cycle, I don't understand either one

Trump is too dangerous to all anywhere near the White House and neither of the fringe candidate stand a chance.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

2. i think on a policy level, i can understand going from Sanders to Stein

i think its a deeply stupid and irresponsible move, but i get it.

Gary Johnson though I actually don't get

[moonscape]

10. Same here. Although never a Hillary fan, that's immaterial when

faced with Trump, or any republicans.

At the moment (and I suspect until the election and beyond), I am too stunned by the ignorance and hatred on the other side to even let my mind wander to these questions.

The Republican Convention has rattled what was left of my fragile core on the implications of Trump even as the Republican nominee.

[NCTraveler]

3. The left has a sizable group of isolationists. Not too big but recognizable.

I don't think marijuana legalization plays a role as both Stein and Johnson are for it.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

8. but these are not of the sanders message, and Johnson is really against any public welfare programs

i guess the core of Sanders message must not have been that important with these folks

[NCTraveler]

12. Numerous positions of Sanders have an isolationist bent.

There is no doubt in my mind that many positions he holds can be viewed as isolationism.

Please understand I am not talking about the brightest of voters.

I don't think the core of Sanders message was important with some of his supporters. The exact same can be said for some of Trump and Clinton supporters. I can point you to links where people supporting Sanders will now be voting for Trump. Some people really are that.....

I do like how you go deep enough to understand why going to Stein is a more natural progression. Many aren't willing to and it is a difficult topic here. I do not like Stein. I think she is a very poor candidate. The Green Party still has a solid platform and that is what they are shifting for. You are right about the Johnson aspect with respect to it not making much sense. We are talking about a very small group.

[TreasonousBastard]

4. Apparently, it is true that half the population...

is below average.

But, a little more seriously, I honestly don't understand this gut level hatred of Hillary. After her being First Lady, SoS and Senator for all those years, there's nothing positive in her bio that people can point to?

Actually, there's nothing that negative to point to, but people, even on our side keep trying.

If nothing else, at least admit that she was an adequate caretaker in all those jobs, and going off to a nutcase like Jill Stein is crazy.

[geek tragedy]

5. disaffected gliberatarian white dudes. Glenn Greenwald types nt

[misterhighwasted]

6. They're all the opposite side of our soon to be Dem Candidate

They're one issue "wedgies". Anti something and they can nevr be pleased. They show up every few years, make noise & disappear.
All I care to know about them.

So glad this is a Dem site promoting Dem candidates.

[ibegurpard]

7. No I cannot

Polar opposite views about what government can and should be doing.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

9. right? polar opposite to Sanders core message

[JaneyVee]

11. Hate makes strange bedfellows

https://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/can-we-get-bernie-delegates-to-chant-lock-her-up-lock-her-up/

[brer cat]

19. OMFG!

I'm not clicking on that trash... the thread title is sufficient. I can't believe these people were ever welcomed here.

[BobbyDrake]

13. There will not be a 3rd party President before there's a 3rd party Congressperson.

This is basic politics. A majority of Americans in enough states to win the Electoral College will not vote for a party with no proven track record, regardless of that party's soaring rhetoric on specific issues.

Jill Stein can promise even more than Bernie Sanders did, but to voters who have never seen a Green candidate win Congressional office, much less achieve any legislative victories, Greens will forever be a nothing party because that's what they've accomplished: Nothing.

[think]

14. Wouldn't vote for a Libertarian but would much rather have a Libertarian opponent than a Republican

Libertarians have a few issues where they agree with progressives like a woman's right to choose so we wouldn't be having that to contend with so many challenges on abortion issues.

And they are much better on foreign policy than their Republican counterparts. So it would be good to see Libertarians doing better within the Republican party for the sake of less contention and more common ground.

But no. I can't see a progressive voting for Gary Johnson...

[merrily]

15. Does it matter? Neither Stein nor Johnson will win.

A certain number of Bernie's supporters (and leftists who did not support either Bernie or Hillary) will not vote for Hillary, no matter what. Does it matter if they vote for Stein, or for Johnson or if they stay home? As best as I can figure, the only ones in the Never Hillary who may matter at all are those in swing states who plan to vote for Trump. And I don't know if there are enough of them to make a difference.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

16. It doesn't matter electorally, but I like to understand social

Phenomenon and behaviors, so it matters to me

[bettyellen]

18. It matters in that people are promoting voting for him and it is ignorant and inconsistent.

If pointed out then perhaps less people will be filled by the nonsense masquerading as thoughtful decisions. We analyze. Especially Pri!

[merrily]

20. You and I may be using the word "matter" very differently.

[bettyellen]

23. Or different things matter to us. And they matter different amounts.

I find life usually works that way. I hate the "they're all the same bullshit when it comes to politics because it encourages lazy and over simplistic thinking and justifies non participation.

[mwrguy]

17. One goof is as good as another

Goofs are fungible

[Demsrule86]

21. Many of these sort of supporters were not political junkies but Bernie groupies

And they took his loss hard. They are: not invested in policy only Bernie. Thus they are angry and hurt at the loss. Some believe all the right wing crap posted about Hillary all these years too. They are lashing out. Some will vote for Stein, but some who want to vote for a guy will vote for Johnson. In both cases, neither candidate will win but can only act as a spoiler. Hopefully, we can save these poor folks from the realization that there are worse things then your candidate losing the primary...like four to eight years under any GOP president... times a thousand for Trump.

[NurseJackie]

22. ⬆⬆⬆ THIS ⬆⬆⬆

An excellent analysis.

I share your hopes, but I wonder if it's even worth the effort to "save" them. For all the work it would take to convince just one of these folks, someone could instead get 10 more people to vote for Hillary with GOTV efforts.

[Demsrule86]

24. You made a very good point.

Why should Hillary choose a VP that makes people who she would have to stand on her head and kiss their derrieres in order to get them to vote for her and they might not do it anyway happy. I support Hillary and those who don't are fools.