2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary Needs To Do Something To Shake Things Up.....
Listening to Trump's speech tonight it sounds like he is going to do all the things that the Repugs stonewalled against for the last 8 years. As such - Hillary won't be able to mount a traditional campaign against him by running against the Repugs- because Trump is not your typical Repug nor is he running on a typical Repug platform. He's changing the feel and approach of the Repug Party.
You also heard Trump make a play for Bernie's supporters to support him. As he says that Hillary is a Washington insider and represents establishment politics.
So I believe that Hillary has to be very careful in her VP choice. She can't pick an establishment white male politician - like a Kaine or Vilsack - because it will look too traditional or familiar or establishment Washington insider like.
She needs to pick a VP that will give a different and pushing the envelope look.
That's why I believe her best choice for VP is Elizabeth Warren. Or she should choose a younger Latino male like Julian Castro.
Bottom line when you see her standing on the stage at the end of the Dem Convention - the picture that needs to stick in the minds of the American People is that it is different and doesn't look like something out of a past time in American or Democratic Party politics.
chillfactor
(7,573 posts)who will "shake things up."
merrily
(45,251 posts)On the other hand, I'm not sure who votes for a ticket based on Vice President. Maybe about 30% of Republicans, the hard core of that party, but they won't vote for Hillary anyway.
She'll pick Kaine, maybe Vilsack. One of two milquetoast white guys from swing states. Since Castro flamed out on the Hatch Act violation this week, he's no longer on the short list. Perez would be the right choice to mollify the Berners, but he's too far left for her.
Kaine speaks Spanish; she's campaigning in Florida today, my money's on him.
Shankapotomus
(4,840 posts)would draw two voting blocks at once.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)of the very reasons you've cited in your post.
If she chooses Tim Kaine, it would be like choosing Al Gore for VP - in the early 90's. We're in a different millennium now, and it's time for her to reflect that in her choice for VP. It's the reason she won the Democratic primary - because of PoC.
It would be so disappointing for her to choose Vilsack or Kaine. It would be like taking a few steps backwards, and it sends the message to PoC that she's going to try and do the 1990's over again, and we don't want that.
global1
(25,240 posts)choosing her VP. She needs to project a future oriented picture versus - like you said - doing the 1990's over again.
pnwmom
(108,973 posts)He's acknowledged his mistake, but there's no way he'll have serious consideration now. But he's young and has plenty of time to move past this.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/powerpost/wp/2016/07/20/hatch-act-too-complicated-for-a-cabinet-secretary-not-really/
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)"violation" was serious enough to punish, there's no there there.
This is a JOKE. It's not as if we don't know that he's Secretary of HUD. Sheesh.
Julian Castro said, In responding to a journalists question about the 2016 election, I offered my opinion to the interviewer after making it clear that I was articulating my personal view and not an official position, Mr. Castro wrote. At the time, I believed that this disclaimer was what was required by the Hatch Act. However, your analysis provides that it was not sufficient. He said when an error is made even an inadvertent one the error should be acknowledged. Although it was not my intent, I made one here.
NO ONE will fault him for speaking favorably in support of Hillary Clinton, as a Democrat - only the OSC people who, clearly, need more things to fill out their day. Makes me wonder why they'd go after Secretary Castro. Hm.
So no. I don't believe this should disqualify him. Not. One. Bit.
LuvLoogie
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She is married to someone who got there and did the job for 8 years. And she reported directly to another person who got there and will have done the job for 8 years. I think she gets it.
She is going to make the best choice for the job, for her administration, for the American people.
6chars
(3,967 posts)coming across as a serious adult is the best way to create and exploit a contrast with the lack of seriousness and competence the rnc demonstrated.
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pnwmom
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of the American people is that it is different and doesn't look like something out of a past time in American or Democratic Party politics."
I hate to break it to you, but we only have 6 women Governors, 20 women Senators, and we've NEVER IN HISTORY had a woman President or even a woman Vice President. When Hillary stands on that stage as our nominee, that small grandmother in her jacket and slacks will look different than any of those suited and tied men in history.
Ever, ever, ever.
It amazes me that some Democrats think we've already fast-forwarded to an era where women Presidents are common-place, not remarkable at all -- when the actual truth is we haven't even had a single one yet.
And when the actual truth is that so much of the hate directed at Hillary is gender based. All those chants of "lock her up" are a modern version of the Salem witch trials. Those people are unhappy with their lives, so they look for an inappropriate, uppity woman to blame.
Just by her very existence Hillary is shaking things up. She is breaking the masculine mold that has produced every President and Vice President for more than two hundred years.
She can pick whoever she wants. Her Presidency is ground-breaking already, no matter what.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)lillypaddle
(9,580 posts)pnwmom
(108,973 posts)auntpurl
(4,311 posts)nolawarlock
(1,729 posts)pnwmom
(108,973 posts)that we will inevitably have a woman President SOMEDAY, and so -- in some weird time-travelish way -- we have already had one. Lots of them actually. And so it's no big deal.
tallahasseedem
(6,716 posts)Thank you for stating something that is sorely lost on many!!!
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)Looks to me like she has already shaken things up.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Screw Trump.
Hillary should pick who she feels is best to serve as her VP and nobody else.
glennward
(989 posts)ALL of the American voters.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)We must crash something and light it on fire, too! Pronto!
(Caveat: I support Elizabeth Warren for veep, she's my top choice. Castro, meh, no one seems to be able to give a straight answer on where he stands on actual issues. But Warren, yes. That said, the fallacy in your OP is that we are somehow "in trouble" because of the week-long clusterfuck that was the GOP convention. We're not.)
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Clinton is the brand and the show. EW will continue to garner media coverage, VP or not. Sanders, Obama, Biden; the same.
Additionally, why shake things up when you just crushed it in the primary and almost every metric out there shows we are currently in an excellent position. Far too often politicians shake things up when they are kicking ass already.
Trump is in the business of shaking things up and he looks like an idiot. Let's not make his poor decisions make us make poor decisions.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... not matter who she chooses, it will be the right choice.