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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 10:41 AM Jul 2016

Why does the "hacker left" (wikileaks, anonymous, etc.) want Trump to be president?

With the way they've gone after Dems and not the GOP, it's pretty clear that their intention is to try to put Trump into the White House. I don't fully understand why they would want that.

I can understand why they don't like Hillary or Obama. But whatever they don't like about Hillary, Trump is going to be much worse. He's much more authoritarian, it's impossible to think he will go easier on whistleblowers than Obama has. Hackers have an anarchist streak, and Trump is running on a "law and order" message. Hackers generally don't have allegiance to any particular nation, and Trump is a nationalist, racist, xenophobe.

Doesn't make much sense. Maybe its like the Susan Sarandon argument: they want Trump not because of what he stands for, but because he will make things "really explode".

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Why does the "hacker left" (wikileaks, anonymous, etc.) want Trump to be president? (Original Post) DanTex Jul 2016 OP
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #1
The DNC didn't break any rules. Why are you trying to re-litigate the primary? DanTex Jul 2016 #2
So all these news stories I'm reading in the main stream press are lies? think Jul 2016 #3
No, just your spin on them. DanTex Jul 2016 #4
Released Emails Suggest the D.N.C. Derided the Sanders Campaign think Jul 2016 #5
Funny, the phrase "breaking the rules" appears nowhere in the article. DanTex Jul 2016 #8
Section 4, Article Five of the DNC Charter Bylaws: Triana Jul 2016 #45
I don't see the rule violations. And I don't see the point in re-litigating the primary. DanTex Jul 2016 #56
You claimed there were none. There are. Reading the emails leaked and the bylaws, there clearly are. Triana Jul 2016 #62
I said the NYT article didn't mention rules. And I was right. DanTex Jul 2016 #66
I don't understand these conspiracy theorists TeacherB87 Jul 2016 #68
This message was self-deleted by its author Triana Jul 2016 #70
DNC ByLaws are not a "conspiracy". They really exist. I assume for a reason. Triana Jul 2016 #71
You inferred that because the NYT article didn't mention rules, none were broken/existed/violated Triana Jul 2016 #69
I stated that the NYT article didn't mention the rules, contrary to what DanTex Jul 2016 #73
Right! TeacherB87 Jul 2016 #84
The fact that you're eating them without much discernment is more telling than a poliitical uponit7771 Jul 2016 #10
I can read them quite clearly. Thank you... think Jul 2016 #11
I can read the dates clearly too... she had a lock after march the rest of the primary was bullshit uponit7771 Jul 2016 #12
Bull fuckin shit, that's standard position of both parties when one candidate has a statistical lock uponit7771 Jul 2016 #6
Good luck all in... think Jul 2016 #9
Why did Assange never release dirt on Russia? Why did Snowden end up in Russia? KittyWampus Jul 2016 #7
Precisely. MADem Jul 2016 #20
Oh My Dog! hueymahl Jul 2016 #28
Suit yourself. I guess he was in the Russian consulate having birthday cake by complete accident, MADem Jul 2016 #49
Thanks for the links hueymahl Jul 2016 #53
Josh Marshall at TPM charlyvi Jul 2016 #89
And btw, Snowden leaked three years after the Russian spy ring was exposed... KittyWampus Jul 2016 #64
Perhaps because some of them get funding from Russia? And Putin knows a weak nitwit when he sees MADem Jul 2016 #13
If Assange were teaming with Putin that would explain it. DanTex Jul 2016 #15
It's his dream--and he isn't stupid, he knows that it is possible to get Trump to say ANYTHING MADem Jul 2016 #22
They want anarchy rjsquirrel Jul 2016 #14
Boredom? randome Jul 2016 #16
Some people just want to watch the world burn nt MrScorpio Jul 2016 #17
It's a two-edged sword. MineralMan Jul 2016 #18
Very thoughtful commentary. MADem Jul 2016 #23
Thanks. MineralMan Jul 2016 #24
That poor thing could use some of Trump's QT man-tan lotion!!!! MADem Jul 2016 #27
Actually, I think the go-to beast ins the howler monkey... JHB Jul 2016 #83
K&R if possible, Thank you for writing that. TexasProgresive Jul 2016 #79
Wikileaks is an affiliate of Putin's intelligence agencies nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #19
What you said. wildeyed Jul 2016 #51
Because they are REALLY the "Hacker EXTREME Right" eom MohRokTah Jul 2016 #21
DING! DING! DING! DING! baldguy Jul 2016 #86
Another attack the left as being trump supporters thread. hobbit709 Jul 2016 #25
When somebody is being a Trump supporter, it's perfectly valid to call them out on it. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #26
sorry, but NONE of the hackers I know have any use for Trump. hobbit709 Jul 2016 #29
OFFS!!!!! MohRokTah Jul 2016 #30
So are blanket statements like yours. hobbit709 Jul 2016 #33
The Hacker Right is bought and paid for by Putin. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #35
you have actual proof of that? hobbit709 Jul 2016 #40
Flag on the play... MohRokTah Jul 2016 #44
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #46
Where do you get they support Trump?? hueymahl Jul 2016 #31
I get that they support Trump because everything they do is in support of Trump. MohRokTah Jul 2016 #32
Where is the evidence they support Putin or are paid by his minions? hueymahl Jul 2016 #37
Who gave them the 20,000 DNC emails? eom MohRokTah Jul 2016 #39
I don't know. Do you? NT hueymahl Jul 2016 #42
The Kremlin gave Wikileaks those emails. eom MohRokTah Jul 2016 #43
Respectfully, how do you know? hueymahl Jul 2016 #54
It was in the national news a few weeks ago. enchantedlearner Jul 2016 #87
Why go after Dems? Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #48
It's easy to see everything through a partisan lense hueymahl Jul 2016 #50
But they never expose the hypocrisy on the right Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #85
Not the "left", the "hacker left". Meaning people like Assange. DanTex Jul 2016 #57
A fair portion of the "hacker left" is, many believe, the Putinesque Right DISGUISED as the left. MADem Jul 2016 #61
They are the vanguard of the "tear it all down" contingent. They expect to be there Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #34
You can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs Iliyah Jul 2016 #55
And, those broken shells make such good fertilizer for the "Garden of Eden" that's sure to ensue. Surya Gayatri Jul 2016 #58
because there is no one you hate more qazplm Jul 2016 #36
It's very creepy ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #38
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #41
I have no idea why the crazy far left wants to elect fascist Republicans. Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #47
Because they are NOT who you think they are or FOR what you think they are for. nt glennward Jul 2016 #52
The "hacker left" is more populist and anti-elitest than supportive of the Democratic establishment Attorney in Texas Jul 2016 #59
Of course they don't support the Democratic establishment, they are hackers. DanTex Jul 2016 #60
They don't support Trump. They oppose the establishment. Attorney in Texas Jul 2016 #63
I don't see them going after Trump the way they go after Dems. DanTex Jul 2016 #67
When there was a Bush administration, the "hacker left" universally opposed it. In the Republican Attorney in Texas Jul 2016 #72
The Dem party is more establishment then Trump? kcr Jul 2016 #74
But they didn't go after Jeb or Rubio or Kasich. DanTex Jul 2016 #75
What gave you the indication that they are left or right? davidn3600 Jul 2016 #65
Maybe they aren't. "Hacker left" may not be the right term. DanTex Jul 2016 #76
when do we get the great kkk unmasking? mopinko Jul 2016 #77
Because it is really Russian Intelligence services trying to get Trump elected UCmeNdc Jul 2016 #78
Fuck Putin and his useful idiots at Wikileaks. nt SunSeeker Jul 2016 #80
The assumption is that it is a hacker "left". The DNC server was hacked by russsians. AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #81
The obvious answer would seem to be that they are not progressives. yardwork Jul 2016 #82
Because Julian Assange is a garbage human being and a rapist. Arkana Jul 2016 #88

Response to DanTex (Original post)

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
8. Funny, the phrase "breaking the rules" appears nowhere in the article.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 10:48 AM
Jul 2016

In fact, even just the word "rules" isn't in there. The only one spinning here is you.

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
45. Section 4, Article Five of the DNC Charter Bylaws:
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 11:39 AM
Jul 2016

Last edited Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:30 PM - Edit history (1)

Section 4. The National Chairperson shall serve full time and shall receive such compensation as
may be determined by agreement between the Chairperson and the Democratic National Committee. In
the conduct and management of the affairs and procedures of the Democratic National Committee,
particularly as they apply to the preparation and conduct of the Presidential nomination process, the
Chairperson shall exercise impartiality and evenhandedness as between the Presidential candidates and
campaigns. The Chairperson shall be responsible for ensuring that the national officers and staff of the
Democratic National Committee maintain impartiality and evenhandedness during the Democratic Party
Presidential nominating process.


LINK: http://s3.amazonaws.com/uploads.democrats.org/Downloads/DNC_Charter__Bylaws_9.17.15.pdf

So I'd say yes, violations of the DNC Charter's bylaws did occur in the primary nominating process, based on the content of the emails and other documents from wikileaks/Guccifer2

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
56. I don't see the rule violations. And I don't see the point in re-litigating the primary.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:09 PM
Jul 2016

The Sanders campaign broke rules with the data breach, so I can understand some DNC staffers being upset with that. But at this point, who cares? It's general election time.

The real violations of not just rules but laws are from the people who hacked into private emails of DNC members. And did so to try to help Trump become president. Why do you think the hacker left wants Trump?

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
62. You claimed there were none. There are. Reading the emails leaked and the bylaws, there clearly are.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:23 PM
Jul 2016

"Who cares?"

YOU do evidently, based on your OP.

I'm not re-litigating anything. You said there was "no mention of rules".

I showed you the rules.

You state you don't "see" violations.

Good enough.

I was just responding to your "no mention of rules" comment with the fact there are indeed rules and they were indeed violated (whether you "see" that or not though it's right in front of you). And I was responding to your OP. Which seems to want to "re-litigate" the primary and attacks the Left while it's at it.

Maybe you should remove it before someone alerts on it for that.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
66. I said the NYT article didn't mention rules. And I was right.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:27 PM
Jul 2016

I'm sure there are people on the internet that think that the hacked emails show rules violations. After all, there are people on the internet that believe anything. But that's not what the NYT reported, contrary to the claim of the poster I was responding to.

 

TeacherB87

(249 posts)
68. I don't understand these conspiracy theorists
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:33 PM
Jul 2016

That continue to read nonsensical things into the information their processing. They need to go whine about how unfair everyone was to Bernie somewhere else. Clinton is the nominee:

Response to TeacherB87 (Reply #68)

 

Triana

(22,666 posts)
69. You inferred that because the NYT article didn't mention rules, none were broken/existed/violated
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:36 PM
Jul 2016

That clearly isn't true.

But it is true the NYT didn't mention rules, yes.

Doesn't mean they don't exist and weren't broken. If they didn't exist and weren't broken, the NYT and others wouldn't be writing such articles and you wouldn't be so defensive about them, using inference of their non-existence to justify.

Sorry.



DanTex

(20,709 posts)
73. I stated that the NYT article didn't mention the rules, contrary to what
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:48 PM
Jul 2016

was claimed in the post I was responding to. And I was right, and the other poster was wrong.

I understand that there are rules, I never said there weren't any. But the rules obviously don't preclude members of the DNC sending each other personal emails.

 

TeacherB87

(249 posts)
84. Right!
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 07:42 PM
Jul 2016

But let them fume and harp on this, I guess they need to put their energy somewhere if it's not going to supporting Clinton-Kaine

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
10. The fact that you're eating them without much discernment is more telling than a poliitical
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 10:48 AM
Jul 2016

... party in the US taking a standard position when one of their candidate statistically locks up a primary race.

WTF man!?!?

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
12. I can read the dates clearly too... she had a lock after march the rest of the primary was bullshit
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 10:50 AM
Jul 2016

... ass'd foot stomping.

Whatever, even FAUX news was saying the emails about supporting here where in Apri

uponit7771

(90,225 posts)
6. Bull fuckin shit, that's standard position of both parties when one candidate has a statistical lock
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 10:47 AM
Jul 2016

... up in the primaries and you know it or should know it.

Fuckin bullshit here repeating false winger memes on DU to disparge one of the candidates !!

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
7. Why did Assange never release dirt on Russia? Why did Snowden end up in Russia?
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 10:47 AM
Jul 2016

I think there's more going on under the surface than meets the eye.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
20. Precisely.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 11:04 AM
Jul 2016

The only people who don't see this, who refuse to acknowledge that Snowden stayed in the Hong Kong consulate (had a birthday cake and pizza there, as well) and not the MIRA hotel where he met Greenwald, are those who choose to not acknowledge what is pretty doggone obvious.

I am of the view that Snowden was turned when he was working in Yokosuka Japan, around the time, or before, he took a vacation to HK with his girlfriend. He's a one man Walker family, IMO.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
49. Suit yourself. I guess he was in the Russian consulate having birthday cake by complete accident,
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 11:45 AM
Jul 2016

then?

The WAPO is tinfoiling a bit, too!


https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/report-snowden-stayed-at-russian-consulate-while-in-hong-kong/2013/08/26/8237cf9a-0e39-11e3-a2b3-5e107edf9897_story.html

And there is reason to believe that the Russians traded some of their agent's secrets to China in exchange for his safe passage:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/edward-snowdens-departure-from-hong-kong-filled-with-intrigue-questions/2013/06/24/631d3a1a-dcc4-11e2-9218-bc2ac7cd44e2_story.html


Snowden was burned before he left Hawaii--he'd been notified that there were discrepancies in his clearance renewal--serious ones, too (education falsification is a grounds for termination, and termination triggers a review of every keystroke he'd ever made). He waved the processors off, and then ran like hell--he was busted.

But hey, keep believing that he's sincere and a "truth teller" if it makes you feel better.

The reason we don't talk about this is because our team fucked up big time, first, by letting a snarky clown with a GED burrow so deeply into our security infrastructure without proper vetting and a rigorous clearance process, and second, by not catching him after he'd been feeding crap to the Russians for a number of years. It was partially his desire to give himself a post-graduate degree from a UK university that really did him in--hubris is quite a thang...!

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-security-snowden-idUSBRE95K01J20130621


 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
64. And btw, Snowden leaked three years after the Russian spy ring was exposed...
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:26 PM
Jul 2016

Timing sure seems interesting.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
13. Perhaps because some of them get funding from Russia? And Putin knows a weak nitwit when he sees
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 10:52 AM
Jul 2016

one--he knows he could hoodwink Trump with a little bullshit and flattery, and Trump would eat it up with a spoon.

Putin has LONG been in Assange's corner. I suspect Assange has gotten a little dough from Moscow to make his stay in Knightsbridge more comfy.

See this pro-Putin paper for some archival Putinesque Poutrage over Assange's situation:

https://themoscowtimes.com/news/putin-bristles-over-leaked-us-cables-3644

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
15. If Assange were teaming with Putin that would explain it.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 10:54 AM
Jul 2016

Putin definitely wants Trump to be president. How much would Putin love it if Trump broke up NATO?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
22. It's his dream--and he isn't stupid, he knows that it is possible to get Trump to say ANYTHING
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 11:08 AM
Jul 2016

if you flatter him enough.

Trump is sly like a fox, but he's totally obtuse when it comes to himself. He really thinks he's the greatest thing since sliced bread, that he's handsome, that he's not a balding, overweight, puffy orange fool with a really bad weave on top of his head. He has a form of dysmorphic disorder where, while most of us see him for the slob that he is, he looks in the mirror and sees Prince Charming looking back at him. He really thinks he's lovely!

 

rjsquirrel

(4,762 posts)
14. They want anarchy
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 10:53 AM
Jul 2016

and they are highly motivated by the same misogynist and sociopathic libertarian ideals as the Trumpettes.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
16. Boredom?
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 10:54 AM
Jul 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]"There is a crack in everything. That's how the light gets in."
Leonard Cohen, Anthem (1992)
[/center][/font][hr]

MineralMan

(146,192 posts)
18. It's a two-edged sword.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 10:59 AM
Jul 2016

One edge is actual progressives on the left, who appear to be willing to insist on having their principles fully supported by our national government, despite all evidence that such is not possible in a country as diverse in its politics as the United States. The other edge is honed by the right, which understands that sowing discontent among Democrats and others even farther to the left is a strategy that helps them retain control to some degree.

The bottom line is that our nation, politically, is heavily weighted toward moderation. With 320 million or so citizens, it is a nation where political opinion runs the gamut from far left to far right, in a bell-shaped curve with population as the y-axis.

The overwhelming majority of the population is under the center of that curve, distributed fairly evenly. That is why our presidential elections are usually relatively evenly balanced between the two parties.

There is no way to change that distribution, really, except through time and education. So, if the far right can convince the far left not to vote or to waste their votes on candidates and third parties that cannot win, the election swings to the right of center. If the far right fails, it swings to the left of center.

So, much of the discontent and fractiousness of the left is being avidly encouraged by the right.

And that's how it goes, really. It's our job to convince people on the left to vote for Democrats, because the alternative leads to movement backward rather than forward. It's that simple. We will either win or lose in 2016, based on that alone.

Fortunately, we have an obscene orange-haired rodent running for President on the right. That will move many moderates who normally vote for Republicans to vote for our Democratic candidate. Hillary's selection of Tim Kaine, rather than someone like Elizabeth Warren is based on that principle. It was a smart move, in terms of Democrats winning in 2016.

Most progressive Sanders supporters will vote for Hillary, in the end. We will win, though, because many centrist and moderate Republicans will also vote for Hillary, thanks to the insanity that is Donald Trump.

We will win. We will win, because this nation is not insane, despite being pretty wacky in its choices sometimes.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
26. When somebody is being a Trump supporter, it's perfectly valid to call them out on it.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 11:16 AM
Jul 2016

These people are NOT from the Left. They are EXTREME RIGHT because they support Trump!

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
35. The Hacker Right is bought and paid for by Putin.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 11:29 AM
Jul 2016

Wikileaks is nothing but a propaganda arm of Putin.

So if you want to be a Putin supporter, that is your right, go ahead.

hobbit709

(41,694 posts)
40. you have actual proof of that?
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 11:33 AM
Jul 2016

I have about much love for Putin as I have for Drumpf.

there you go again, spouting a big pile of metabolic byproducts


Response to MohRokTah (Reply #44)

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
32. I get that they support Trump because everything they do is in support of Trump.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 11:28 AM
Jul 2016

Or more specifically, everything they do is in support of Putin because they are bought and paid for minions of Vladimir "KGB" Putin.

hueymahl

(2,415 posts)
37. Where is the evidence they support Putin or are paid by his minions?
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 11:31 AM
Jul 2016

Serious question. It will change my outlook if you have anything credible. Otherwise, you are just spouting pure conjecture to support of what you want to be true.

Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
48. Why go after Dems?
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 11:41 AM
Jul 2016

The GOP is their buddy...clear they are trying to throw the election to Putin loving Trump.

hueymahl

(2,415 posts)
50. It's easy to see everything through a partisan lense
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 11:51 AM
Jul 2016

An alternative explanation is they like to expose hypocrisy, and they don't really give a shit which ruling party they expose. Hackers generally tend to trend anarchist.

Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
85. But they never expose the hypocrisy on the right
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 08:06 PM
Jul 2016

And by exposing the party who's nominee is the only person who can defeat Trump, they support Trump and Republicans which is why I despise Greens and the far far left. They accomplish nothing good and elect Republicans.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
57. Not the "left", the "hacker left". Meaning people like Assange.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:15 PM
Jul 2016

If not to help Trump, why is Wikileaks going after the Dems and not the GOP?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
61. A fair portion of the "hacker left" is, many believe, the Putinesque Right DISGUISED as the left.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:23 PM
Jul 2016

And that IS what this post is about--not "the left" but "the hacker left." They are 2 different things entirely.

It's like a false flag operation, only without a false flag--just Guy Fawkes masks and other silliness.

The idea that there are a large mass of dedicated lefties pounding on keyboards is attractive to genuine lefties, though, and certainly, there are a few--but their efforts and desires and goals are easily co-opted by those who don't actually want to "bring the whole system down," they'd much rather obtain information that will put them at an advantage.

Some on the left want to believe that this whole process is organic and grassroots, and not fomented by Putin and his gang of infiltrators and disruptors, mainly because they often don't question things that sound (too good to be) true.

Fight the power is a great counterculture meme, but it is awfully funny how no one is fighting that RUSSIAN power, when that nation is an authoritarian shithole where journalists are murdered every day. And no one asks these inconvenient questions (for example, why does Assange studiously avoid criticism of Putin?) because they ruin the easy "Hate America First" narrative that some--not all, but some--like to tout.

And it's not just Putin--our crew does it too. It's not a lucky accident that we've managed to get a lot of the Anonymous hackers--we nab one, and use him to reel in massive numbers of cohorts out there farting around, breaking into stuff, and stirring up trouble. Informants will do anything to avoid a lengthy sentence, and who can blame them?

Now, all that said, there are certainly some efforts that originate from the left and far left that don't have Putin's paws on them, but if Putin can find advantage, you can be sure he'll put his sticky fingers in the pot. It's how he rolls.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
34. They are the vanguard of the "tear it all down" contingent. They expect to be there
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 11:29 AM
Jul 2016

to pick up the pieces and build their utopia, once the orange orangutan has thrown enough shit to f__k up the fan.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
58. And, those broken shells make such good fertilizer for the "Garden of Eden" that's sure to ensue.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:16 PM
Jul 2016


Hi you!

qazplm

(3,626 posts)
36. because there is no one you hate more
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 11:31 AM
Jul 2016

then the person who is mostly on your side, but not all the way. They are "sell-outs," they are "worse than the other side."

Kaine is pro-choice, 100% rating but because he's personally against abortion then he is at best just like people who are anti-choice and worse according to some.

Response to DanTex (Original post)

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
59. The "hacker left" is more populist and anti-elitest than supportive of the Democratic establishment
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:21 PM
Jul 2016

If you look at the ideological divide among older voters, you see divisions along liberal versus conservative lines (voting-rights versus alleged-voting-security, workplace-gender-equality versus workplace-deregulation, domestic-labor-rights versus global-corporation-profits, etc.).

If you look at the ideological divide among younger voters, you see more divisions along populist versus establishment lines (fix-the-rigged-system versus status-quo, bankster-regulation-and-justice versus Wall-Street-and-financial-sector-deregulation, legal-and-economic-equality versus rules-do-not-apply-to-the-rich).

The Republican Party is shifting from a conservative message to a right-wing-populist message.

Trump is trying to redefine the Democratic Party as the party of the elite, the party of the status quo, the party of the establishment, the party of rules-do-not-apply-to-the-rich, the party of globalization of trade, etc.

This is the Republican Party's transition year and I'm not sure they can win this year. If they succeed in this redefinition of the parties, we lose the Senate and lose much ground in the House in 2018 and lose the presidency in 2020.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
60. Of course they don't support the Democratic establishment, they are hackers.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:22 PM
Jul 2016

They don't support any establishment. The question is why they support Donald Trump.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
67. I don't see them going after Trump the way they go after Dems.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:27 PM
Jul 2016

Which means that, yes, they are supporting Trump.

Attorney in Texas

(3,373 posts)
72. When there was a Bush administration, the "hacker left" universally opposed it. In the Republican
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:38 PM
Jul 2016

primary, Jeb (and to a lesser degree Rubio, Kasich, etc) were the establishment, and the "hacker left" would have undoubtedly exposed the Republican establishment had it prevailed.

Now that Trump has been nominated, he has become the establishment. They will likely focus on that establishment, but Trump has only just become the establishment.

The "hacker left"'s exposure of the corrupt and dishonest underside of the establishment is what they do. It is more anti-slime than partisan. If it seems like there is a focus on Democrats, that only because the Democratic Party is far more establishment than Trump. To they extent there was a Republican establishment, it lost its own primary. The Democratic Party establishment's underside is being leaked.

kcr

(15,300 posts)
74. The Dem party is more establishment then Trump?
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:51 PM
Jul 2016

That was funny. No, I think it's more likely that it was Putin tinkering with our election because he wants Trump. If it's your contention that hackers just want to attack establishment, then they would attack GOP, too. The one sided nature of this attack tells a different story.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
75. But they didn't go after Jeb or Rubio or Kasich.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:51 PM
Jul 2016

And they haven't gone after Trump either. So it's pretty clear that, at least so far, their actions are pro-GOP and now pro-Trump.

Maybe the reason they are pro-Trump is that they think he's not the "establishment." In which case they are nuts.

 

davidn3600

(6,342 posts)
65. What gave you the indication that they are left or right?
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:26 PM
Jul 2016

I have explained here....
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2279970

Many of these people are angry because they see the Democratic party attempting to curtail internet freedoms just as much as the Republicans would. They don't like the Obama admin's policies concerning the NSA and the internet. They see him as taking Bush ideas on surveillance and expanding them instead of reducing them.

And they have a point. Remember in 2008, we (progressives) all railed against Bush and things like the Patriot Act. Yet, Obama and Democrats in Congress continues to renew that legislation. Our government won't give up the power it assumes regardless of which party wins elections.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
76. Maybe they aren't. "Hacker left" may not be the right term.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 12:57 PM
Jul 2016

But whatever they are, they are currently acting as allies of Trump. Even though Trump stands for the opposite of everything they profess to believe in.

UCmeNdc

(9,589 posts)
78. Because it is really Russian Intelligence services trying to get Trump elected
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 01:16 PM
Jul 2016

Putin thinks Trump is a fool and is quite manipulatable.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
81. The assumption is that it is a hacker "left". The DNC server was hacked by russsians.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 02:20 PM
Jul 2016

Interestingly, the Russians didn't care about hacking into the GOP server. And Trump has ties with the Russian mafia not to mention he also is BFF's with Putin.

yardwork

(61,418 posts)
82. The obvious answer would seem to be that they are not progressives.
Sat Jul 23, 2016, 02:24 PM
Jul 2016

They seem to have another agenda entirely.

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