Illegal Hacking

[zenabby]

that does not show much. If we want to debate the merits and demerits, and if everyone is as pure as snow, let's open up bernie campaign's emails and Trump emails. Don't want to show your emails? Then probably should not talk about personal thoughts of personal people expressed in personal emails that were not supposed to be aired out aloud. However, if there were ANY actions, that were unfair (not ideas discussed), then they are fair game.

[HereSince1628]

1. Call for criticsm of others to offset criticism self... there's a defense

well suited to scoundrels only doing what -everyone- else does?

[zenabby]

13. Not at all.

This is like a court of law where only one side is expected to show evidence, and not the other side. Since we are after truth, let's make it real. I have confidence in Hillary's character and Bernie's character. Wait, what are you suggesting? That Bernie side might have done something to be criticized or unfair?

[asiliveandbreathe]

2. Exactly -

From zenabby -

However, if there were ANY actions, that were unfair (not ideas discussed), then they are fair game.....Case closed...

[Scuba]

3. "They do it too" is a lame defense.

[zenabby]

14. But...

did they do it too? Bernie's team I mean? Or who ever is criticizing...Isn't that the very definition of hypocrisy? Isn't that why evidence obtained by not the right means is not allowed to be presented in the court of law?

[Scuba]

16. No, Bernie's team did not violate the DNC rules.

[katsy]

4. 👎🏼👎🏼👎🏼

No one cares what the SBS & HRC staff said about one another.

The dnc was supposed to be an honest broker. They failed at that.

Furthermore, what are voters of minority religions to think about the dnc, and by extention, the Democratic Party, when the dnc was going to use a candidate's beliefs or non-beliefs against them? Hypocrites maybe? Unethical for sure.

We are better than that.

[glennward]

6. The only action that I see they violated was using DNC computers to send their e-mails.

Not ALL staffers did this and no actions were taken by anyone to DO anything unfair against Bernie. People have opinions and thoughts and feelings. Staffers don't become machines when they are working. The real issue is what, if anything did they do to act upon their feelings? As far as I can tell NOTHING!! Certainly nothing like gaining access to one campaign's contributor list and sharing it with the opposing team. If anything, it appears that DNC actual actions hurt the Hillary campaign more than the Sanders' campaign.

[katsy]

7. They are idiots for putting this shit out there on record & should resign asap.

Bringing up a candidate's beliefs as a way to garner a couple of points in the polls is playing to people's bigotry. It is unethical, against dnc charter and not how we, as Democrats, operate. Full. Stop.

We are a big tent party. How can you even think this is ok? Maybe next election cycle we should alienate the jewish, native americans, eastern indians? What? This was monumentally insulting and stupid.

Making excuses for it is wrong.

[aikoaiko]

5. So you're equating DNC with candidates' campaigns' emails.

You realize you just tacitly agreed that the DNC was acting as HRC's campaign, don't you?

You should think this line of thought through some more before pushing it.

[zenabby]

15. I'm saying

that Hillary was a true democrat, and Bernie was independent-democrat. Hillary has years of relationship building with these people. There is no doubt they preferred her personally. However is there any proof of action that was biased and enabled Hillary to win? No.

[NorthCarolina]

8. Since we're striving to be on the Up and Up with emails and such, should we throw in

speeches to Wall Street too since we're talking about seeing how "pure as snow" our candidates are? Would seem like a good idea to me....a gesture of "see, I have nothing to hide". They are fair game...as you so eloquently put it.

[SFnomad]

9. Since you want to beat that dead horse some more .. how about at least 10 years tax returns too? n/t

[NorthCarolina]

10. Not beating a dead horse, just posing the question. Should

the transcripts be released in the vein of openness and honesty, or not? Since you believe all emails should be released for that purpose from both camps, why stop there?

[SFnomad]

11. Where did I say all emails should be released from both camps? I await your retraction / apology n/t

[NorthCarolina]

17. Sorry, didn't check your name

thought you were the OP poster. That being the case, why stop at just tax returns? To be honest with you I am far more interested, as a voter, in what the candidates said in high paid speeches to Wall Street, than I am in what their tax returns say....this being an anti-Wall St. election and all. Wass TPP offered to them in the form of a guarantee? Who knows...the voters sure as hell don't. What we need is full disclosure requirements for all of our candidates.

[SFnomad]

18. For the past approx 40 years, releasing tax returns has been what Presidential candidates do

When Sanders didn't do it, it makes you wonder ... what is he hiding ... I feel the same way about tRump.

No candidate has EVER been required to release paid speeches. And if those speeches didn't reveal what her opponents wanted, they'd probably then reach for something else to be released. I feel it's best to stop the fishing expeditions right up front. Seeing that you want something done that has NEVER been asked before, but seem to have few issues with not releasing something that has become standard practice is highly partisan of you.

[NorthCarolina]

19. I already am

pretty confident the speeches contained guarantees for support of TPP and such so i probably really don't need to hear them to figure out what they contained. Aside from that though, the OP calls for transparency. Why not include the speeches/ If my assumptions are correct, don't you think that is pertinent information to voters before they head to the polls?

[SFnomad]

20. I've already stated I feel it was a fishing expedition ... that needed to be stopped. n/t

[zenabby]

12. Yes, I agree

All DNC emails, all Bernie emails, all Hillary campaign emails, all tax returns, all campaign fund usage, all speeches ever given by Hillary and Bernie so far. Either that or nothing. Half truths, extrapolations and half exposures mean nothing.