(RE: The whipping up of B.S. here) If we're going to let ourselves be F*CKED BY RATS...

[LowerManhattanite]

...shouldn't we at least have them buy us a drink first?

Do we NOT see what's happening HERE with the obfuscation from Trump's Putin ties and the attempt to sh*t on this convention just before it starts...led mostly by embittered dead-enders and clear operatives from the other side?

People here going with FAKED e-mails, bad-news poll obsessives and the gang-recommending of hurtful and conversely, sandbagging of pro-candidate posts?

Eyes on the prize folks—and work HARDER to get the explosive story about Putin's Trump-backing out there while letting this other bulls*t die on the vine.

[99th_Monkey]

1. Now who's spouting CT nonsense

Can i help you with that new hat?

[L. Coyote]

47. OFCS, read the rules.

[TheBlackAdder]

116. If we were being fucked by rats, would we know it? After all, rats have tiny penises.

.


Just like Trump's fingers.





.

[Press Virginia]

2. Yeah. Let's ignore evidence of party corruption in the name of unity

Trump isn't going anywhere. Let's fix our little issue first

[kstewart33]

11. The issue is over.

You wanted DWS out, she's out.

[Press Virginia]

14. Is it over? Have we seen all there is to see?

[kstewart33]

16. What else are you looking for? nt

[Press Virginia]

21. I'm wondering what has yet to come out. Declaring an issue resolved

with a single resignation, not knowing what else may come to light, isn't a smart strategy.
How many people will decide to stay home just based on what we learned today?

[annavictorious]

36. Link me to an email that shows misconduct on the part of DWS.

The only people who will stay home based on "what we heard" (two people in the DNC exchanged emails with negative talking points concerning Sanders. The talking points were never used) are the kind of people who think that this is a big deal, but data theft is not.

In other words, people who are too lazy to vote and looking for an excuse not to.

[Press Virginia]

41. Here we go with the legalese.

Perceptions matter. Right now the perception, for many, is the party worked to destroy the man many wanted and give the nomination to the establishment's choice. This needs to be addressed so that the voters don't decide to stay home rather than unify

[treestar]

138. Nobody will stay home because of that

What a delusional suggestion.

Sounds like you want it to hurt our chances.

[Press Virginia]

141. I've been told the votes of Bernie supporters aren't really needed

fall in line or fuck off...I believe were the words used.

[treestar]

143. I don't get why they take it so personally

they should do what is in their interests not sit and wait to be courted especially when we know they are never satisfied. And now they are vengeful, at least the ones pushing all this. They'd rather Donald win because that will assuage their feelings. Nobody can reason with people like that.

[treestar]

151. why do you oppose big banks? Don't you use them?

Corporations can't vote, so they can't make you vote for any politician and they can't make an officeholder do anything. Each war should stand on its own as to its necessity or not. The poor and middle class, especially the latter, were all for the wars! That's why many of the officeholders voted in favor. They were all following Dubya at the time because 911.

It's a bit harder for us out there than to stop other countries from oppressing women and gays, and we may have to deal with them in some way from time to time and that may be more likely that we could influence them, trade, helping them out, not wars. Saying these countries bankroll our candidate's lifestyle can only the the product of a long twisted conspiracy reasoning. Rich people can stand up for the little guy and it's a good thing there are a few of them. And the little guy does not have to be such a pathetic character as your post makes him out to be. Most of us aren't going to be rich and we are not feeling sorry for ourselves about it. We are not seeing every person who made more money as "must be" corrupt.

[Hekate]

147. Link to that phrase, if you please

[JustAnotherGen]

150. +100 - I'd like to see the link

And why a jury at DU allowed it to stand.

[LanternWaste]

142. Much the same as declaring a party corrupt while yet lacking any real charges or even indictments

"Declaring an issue resolved with a single resignation...

Much the same as declaring a party corrupt while yet lacking any real charges or even indictments. Bias such as that creates an unassailable bastion of irrational thought in far too many people, leading to insincere questions and unsupported allegations.

[Press Virginia]

145. I didn't declare it corrupt. I said there's evidence of corruption

there's a lot more stuff than was discussed in the news cycle...and its downright sickening to see that the media was colluding with the DNC to give an advantage to one candidate and one candidate only

[leftofcool]

69. You got the pound of flesh, what more do you want?

[Press Virginia]

73. What if the damage caused is more extensive than that pound will cover?

[treestar]

139. +1

It's not enough of course.

[JustAnotherGen]

149. It's never enough with the perpetually outraged

[DemonGoddess]

158. the rest of the body I think

[Kathy M]

97. After hearing the republican

spokesperson Skottie ( sp ) she is the blond on CNN I heard here say there was more ........ mentioned something along the lines of couple more names from other emails .......... do not hold me word for word but that was the gist of it . I would be careful about any kind of divisive information that comes out in the next few months ............ who knows where it is coming from .

[bahrbearian]

39. After the Damage is Done, Opps sorry

[JudyM]

18. +1

[renie408]

20. No, let's multitask.

Stay outraged it that's what works for you.

But can you also pay attention to what is important? Be pissed about how the DNC runs and let's work to change that for future elections. At the same time, let's not forget that allowing Trump into the White House would be a BAD thing. A really, REALLY bad thing.

We need a better convention than the GOP had. We need to NOT be so damn easy. We need to not have Judge Judy on the SCOTUS.

[Press Virginia]

23. yeah...why focus on an issue that may cause some to stay home in november

when we can just give it a little attention and declare it resolved

[renie408]

29. Gee, that doesn't seem like what I said.

Could it be that you are paraphrasing for your own agenda?

Ok, what are YOU going to do about it? How would YOU like to see this handled right now?

[Press Virginia]

35. I was being sarcastic. See if you decide the issue isn't important enough

to devote a full effort to remedy the issue and mend the divide, there will be people who will decide the party is not worthy of their vote and stay home.

This is the week to build party unity not just declare an issue resolved after 12 hours and a single resignation. That means actually addressing the grievances many have over this

[renie408]

49. About that sarcasm thing...

I don't think I have ever said "Gee" in my life, so I get the sarcasm.

You are still not proposing solutions, only identifying problems.

What would constitute "actually addressing" the grievances for you? What would that look like? How can that best be implemented at this time for the DNC?

[Press Virginia]

67. You can't propose a solution until the damage is assessed

but you certainly don't give it a half assed look right out of the gate

[renie408]

76. Still with the finger pointing

I am thinking you are better at pointing fingers than finding solutions.

But it does seem to me that what you are describing seems like a pretty long process. And from your other posts, it looks like you think we should not move on to defeating Trump until we have completely beat this thing to death. Only, you don't seem to have a clear idea of what 'dead' looks like.

So, given all of that, maybe we can go ahead and aim for a unified convention, defeating Trump by a landslide that leaves his bloated ego in tatters, while working on the problems brought to the surface by this entire scenario in the background. How does that sound?? Or are you only going to be satisfied by your pound of flesh?

[Press Virginia]

84. Noooo. I'm pointing out you can't fix something without knowing the extent of the damage

if your solution is a bandaid but th damage requires stitches, you've pretty much done a piss poor job of fixing the issue.

Assess the damage then find the solution to fix it.

[REALforever]

88. That sure sounds like "banning Muslims till we know what's goin on"

NO SARCASM!

[Press Virginia]

90. Yeah because the 2 topics are soooooo similar

[renie408]

91. Yeah, but it all heals in the end.

I have done a lot of taping myself up when I should have had stitches; time really does heal most wounds.

That said, if the Democratic Party wants to remain a valid part of the political process, they need to work on transparency and need to figure out how to deal with Independents.

[Press Virginia]

93. Time is not a luxury this year. Which means the right solution must be found quickly

so as to not drag the issue out or cause more damage with the quick and easy band aide approach

[KPN]

99. May I interject and add two words before the last

period in your post (#92)?

... "and Democrats".

[stupidicus]

101. obviously they don't care about Trump using this either

and what the silence they are now asking for can result in -- like bolstering his case.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=11&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjBqqS2pY3OAhVE4SYKHV-2ANcQFghEMAo&url=http%3A%2F%2Fthehill.com%2Fblogs%2Fballot-box%2Fpresidential-races%2F289001-trump-campaign-dnc-email-leaks-prove-system-is-rigged&usg=AFQjCNGNVmbOyXTAfK1Sgs8pZQbTQaIz_A

[glennward]

22. "corruption?" How so? A rigged system? That was the acqusation as soon as BS entered the race.

The rules were out there. The party chose to favor someone who has worked her heart out for it and the Democrats who are working equally as hard to win. I find no fault in sticking by someone who has paid their dues, stuck by the party through wins and losses, not a whiner, and more gracious than any of her detractors. A person who picked VP running mate who has actually walks the walk instead of just talking the talk for headlines. A more decent running mate could hardly be found. Even EW has not been with the Dems always. It really is hurtful to have endured so many nasty trashings of Hillary throughout this campaign and now to come to this just before the convention when this should be a joyous historical moment.

The is little HRC supporters can do except grin and bear it and work harder. I somehow trust the Karma of the universe to unfold as it should.

[Press Virginia]

31. There are going to be a lot of people who decide it was rigged from the start

and stay home in November

[okasha]

52. Please do not say "a lot of people" when you mean "I."

[Press Virginia]

61. If you say so

but then, I'm sure you decided it was a non issue from the start.

We'll find out soon enough if it has caused damage

[Press Virginia]

75. 9% of my posts? Wow

[okasha]

78. Your profile reports only on the last ninety days.

[Press Virginia]

89. My hides were from the GD Primary group.3 of which will be more than 90 days old

over the next couple of weeks. My activity in the RKBA group has never exceeded 10%.

And group think is for the weak minded

[avaistheone1]

105. You are not supposed to bash new folks' posts based on the fact they are new here.

That is part of DU rules.

[Dream Girl]

55. You hope.

[Press Virginia]

64. I'm not so naive as to dismiss the issue before the first polling is done

and the convention has opened.
We'll find out the damage, if any, and the extent of it this week

[Demsrule86]

120. I doubt it because the consequence is Trump.

And it was not rigged. Sanders lost...he did not get the votes period end of story.

[Press Virginia]

121. Your reasons for voting aren't the same as everyone else's

consequences, therefore, are not the same.

What if you see the threat to the nation being politicians who are bought and paid for by big banks?

[Demsrule86]

156. I do not

believe either Democratic candidate ...is bought and paid for by banks. Trump on the other hand, is bought and paid for by Russian banks.

[KPN]

100. It's tough being a "victim" ... especially when

you win and hold all the cards.

[MFM008]

38. get over it or cry for the world

if tRump gets in.

[Press Virginia]

43. the old "get over it" and fall in line command isn't a smart strategy

some might decide trump would be a good punishment for what they perceive as a rigged system

[Dream Girl]

63. "Some say"

Sounds like you see an opening...you seem to really be enjoying this

[Press Virginia]

65. I'm not dismissing the issue before the extent of the damage is actually assessed

[leftofcool]

71. I see

You hate the DNC and Hillary so much that you will risk everyone else's lives for punishment?

[Press Virginia]

74. Woooooooo fear mongering.

the extent of the damage has yet to become known and that's the first thing your turn to?

[MFM008]

111. For the entire world?

Look at all the death and suffering caused by the name Bush.
"Rigged" is NOT COMPARABLE to death and the selling of the planet. That's not fear mongering but fact.
"Rigged" is petty and stupid.
WORSE "rigged" is right out of Trump's mouth.

[Press Virginia]

112. Fear. Its not just for republicans any more

[SheriffBob]

113. you wish

are you a republican?

[Press Virginia]

115. nope. not a whore either

I held my nose in 2004 with Kerry...for the good of the party. Once again I'm being told to vote for a candidate that doesn't stand for what I believe and it's making me sick to my stomach.

[emulatorloo]

126. Some might decide a racist predatory capitalist who gamed bankruptcy laws is a 'rigger'

I understand you believe facts about Trump are meaningless and it is all about Karl Rovians creating their own 'reality'. At some point we have to push back on false perceptions rather than acquiescing to them.

[emulatorloo]

132. Got it. You are a "make our own reality" advocate

No matter that the platform is one of the most progressive we've had in a long time.
No matter that Bernie's praised and endorsed HRC's policy positions.

Very interesting how you pretend those things don't exist.

def vote as you wish, we all will. However expect to get pushback if you continue to post things which obviously feed false perceptions

[Press Virginia]

137. Bernie, it seems, has no real principles afterall

I will vote my conscience...as HRC said we should.

[Lady Freedom Returns]

80. Unity is EVERYTHING.

We must fight Trump and fight hard right now. We can work on party issues AFTER we stomp Anti-Christ/Hitlers second coming/ Putin's "Freaky"-me Trump.
We must be united, and be united right now, for the sake of our country, our families, for all we believe.
We all know the saying, " A house divided CAN NOT stand".

[Press Virginia]

82. Then let's build unity rather than demand it

[Lady Freedom Returns]

85. Time itself is demanding it.

The fight is not comming. It is here, it is now. We all remember Nadar don't we? We muat stant together and do it now.

[Press Virginia]

86. True which means starting a strong foundation...this week

[Amimnoch]

98. There is no "evidence".

There are emails without any backup of actions.

Unless you believe that anyone who is on the DNC is disallowed even an opinion shared with colleagues in email?

Maybe I missed it since there's so many of these all over the board now, but is there a single instance where any of the emails in question were actioned on? At all?

[Press Virginia]

103. Evidence does not mean proof

The DNC and WaPo, for example, discussed a joint Clinton fundraiser. Did it happen? I don't know.
But there doesn't seem to be a similar effort made on Bernie's behalf

[Amimnoch]

108. Evidence also doesn't mean assertion, which is all that exists at the moment.

The burden of proof rests with those making the assertion. So far there is none presented other than emails that had discussions, that if any evidence arises that they were acted upon, there'd be a case to make.

The emails are are not evidence of any wrong doing until some related actioning of bias is presented.

[Press Virginia]

109. If you assure your voters that your committee is impartial

and e-mails become public and call that claim into question. There is evidence the claim was false and the process was corrupt.

It's not proof but it certainly is evidence that the DNC was not the impartial body it claimed to be.

[Democat]

117. We are in the middle of a fight against Trump

If you want to stop fighting Trump to bash Clinton, you are helping Trump.

That is not strategic and doesn't make any sense unless someone wants Trump to win.

[Demsrule86]

119. Yes

There is no corruption. Those emails are a joke. And it is an election yea,r not the time to take on party corruption unless...you want the party to lose in November and Trump to become president.

[liberal N proud]

127. And what more will it take to appease you?

These posts are doing nothing but still fighting old battles some lost and some won.

GIVE IT A BREAK!

[Press Virginia]

133. How about holding people responsible for corrupting the process?

a symbolic resignation by the DNC chair who is then hired on as a campaign surrogate...the campaign the DNC clearly favored and worked for, isn't going to cut it.

It's quite obvious the liberal wing of the party is just expected to fall into line no matter what the establishment elites do....I did it in 2004 and I swore I wouldn't do it again...and here we are.

[liberal N proud]

134. She is no long Party Chair

OMG

[treestar]

136. It is not evidence of party corruption

Bernie is over it!

[Press Virginia]

140. Oh yeah...Bernie is over it and endorsing the candidate of the big banks and the war machine

makes me question whether he really believed what he was saying or just saw an opportunity for himself

[PDittie]

3. You mad, bro?

[still_one]

4. That wouldn't happen here. I hear tell of other supposed Hillary bashing progressive sites, where

every vulgarty has been hurled at Hillary, along with anyone who supports her, but I am sure that anyone from that supposed site wouldn't be posting here.........

uh huh

[insta8er]

6. How would you know all this? do you go to those sites? do you post there and then here? just asking.

[still_one]

12. I have seen it referenced in other threads here

[Bradical79]

17. Someone was posting links to another site in multiple threads

Which seemed to be linked to people from another anti-Clinton/anti-dnc site

[still_one]

25. Nope, it was posted here at DU, along with links to that site. Imagine that

[elleng]

13. Too bad you're harping on little, still.

[still_one]

19. Probably my imagination, and references I have seen in various threads here regarding that site were

probably just fabrications.

[elleng]

27. Sorry, but if not 'fabrications,'

certainly not primary to the site.

[still_one]

40. sure. go with that

[msanthrope]

62. Not "primary to the site?" Sure, I can see how, if you are a woman posting on a site that allows

women to be called the c-word, you might adopt that explanation. I get it.

[elleng]

77. I've never seen it, wouldn't like it,

and have never used it. Got it, msanthrope?

[msanthrope]

79. No.....I don't get it. If I read that I was posting on a website with such behavior, I'd

investigate.

[elleng]

83. Too many 'fucks' here for me to 'like,'

but in the interest of information and disclosure, I remain.

[SidDithers]

5. Pinebaggers abound...nt

Sid

[JTFrog]

114. Pinebaggers for Putin has a nice ring to it. nt

[kstewart33]

7. Sometimes we do ourselves no favors.

The DWS matter is over. Completely over.

Can we move on now to Trump's increasingly obvious financial links to Putin and Russian mobsters?

Isn't this a bit more important than DWS's resignation especially now that the convention begins tomorrow?

[elleng]

8. Too bad the 'whipping' is being done by such as you, Lower.

'she and top aides had actively attempted to undermine Senator Bernie Sanders’s presidential bid,' http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/25/us/politics/debbie-wasserman-schultz-dnc-wikileaks-emails.html?

and that says nothing about the effect of her actions on Governor Martin O'Malley's bid.

As to the timing, she/they thought they could get away with it, so it took waiting for convention time for this disclosure.

[JI7]

15. It's a good thing Clinton is the nominee if these others were brought down so easily

[elleng]

26. 'So easily,'

as to curtail participation in debates,

'he knew from the moment the DNC released the debate schedule his campaign would be an uphill battle.'

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12815702

Martin O'Malley's policies adopted by others are too lengthy to list; there are 281 of them.

This link will have to suffice:

https://www.politiplatform.com/omalley/all

[JI7]

30. sanders refused to debate O'malley without Clinton

[elleng]

34. Yes he did,

or appeared to do; changed his mind several times, as I recall. The debates debacle did little but hurt the Democratic Party, imo.

[JI7]

37. It's nice to believe it rather than admit ones own fault

Clinton did better than Obama in all the primary debates where he did not stand out much yet he still managed to beat her .

[elleng]

58. I'm glad my posting history is 'interesting' to some.

'Sorry' to be 'ignored.'

I have no obsession except recognizing truth and facts, and consequently I 'ignore' NO ONE.

[NorthCarolina]

10. Maybe we can deal with BOTH issues simultaneoulsy?

Why does one topic must come at the sacrifice of another topic. Are we on a only one topic at a time regimen or something?

You neglect to add that not all of the emails released are fake, and those that are being called fake have not been proven to be fake yet. Regardless, not ALL of the emails are fake. Just thought you might want to clarify that in your post in as much as to be on the up and up and all.

[elleng]

32. Thank you, NorthCarolina.

Good to see reasonable and practical suggestions.

[jalan48]

24. Putin caused the DNC staffers to break the rules? Who woulda thought...

[bahrbearian]

42. He also dropped their firewall a couple times last year, who game him a password?

[Cary]

28. The enemy within is just something we must win in spite of

[LowerManhattanite]

33. I see this thread has attracted a few of our Randy, Rodentious Radicals...

LOL.

Kids, we've had threads locked because people are circulating bizarre MADE UP emails put out to damage party unity.

We've got known “bomb-tossers” here on this site, who are actively working to elect Trump on other sites sh*t-stirring out of spite.

And we know who those folks are...even here in this thread.

Rather than feeding said trolls and ring-tailed agent provocateurs with the time-wasting back and forth vitriol they so crave, I offer cheddar-y sustenance.

[Laser102]

44. I agree. The repugs are loving this. Even though, none of this changes the outcome of the election.

Nothing in the fake or real emails will change the fact that Hillary won. Nothing. I am not inclined to give the RW any talking points. Squabbling like this right before the convention is what they want. Once she's elected, that is the time to make changes or have discussions, whatever. Not right now.

[anneboleyn]

72. Exactly. Faux News has been obsessively covering this all day. They are desperate to sh!t

on the convention and shout hysteria about the democrats "collapsing before our eyes" etc to make up for the dismal joke that was the repub convention. Trump will also desperately try to get news next week by doing and saying ridiculous things, and we don't need to HELP TRUMP FFS. I think the chicken littles who claim to be loyal dems but then support the repub talking points, and add more fuel to the fire by doing so, are very damaging.

[MisterP]

45. the "FAKED e-mails" that they're apologizing and resigning over

[Will Morningstar]

46. I'm a RatPACKer, not a RatF**Ker, and that's MR. Ratpacker to you.

Yes, I'm guilty of riding to the OP'er's assistance and forcing his Trump/Putin post back on topic.

Now, for the hammers of the world to whom everything is a nail:

Of COURSE the behaviour which has come to light in the stolen e-mails MUST be addressed, no matter WHO stole them, the Russian agent Clickcifer, Jackassifer, or men from Mars. One of my close relatives spent over twenty years on the DNC, and I'm sure that anyone who ever served there would agree that integrity is paramount. Of COURSE there must be consequences, just preferably not ones which install DJT in the White House.

[allinthegame]

50. Seriously

People are going to
Stay home and NOT vote because of DWS
What universe makes this a comment anyone would make?

[totodeinhere]

51. Faked emails? Where are you getting that from?

If they were faked emails why did Brad Marshall apologize for sending an email suggesting that Bernie Sanders’ religious beliefs be used against him in the Democratic primary? If that email were fake he wouldn't have had to apologize for it.

[Justice]

54. Someone posted an email on DU that they

Said was from wiki leaks but it was not.

[totodeinhere]

59. I'm referring to the legitimate emails, not something that some troublemaker

faked in order to stir the pot and cause trouble.

[annavictorious]

66. Then you need to write a strongly worded letter to the editor of this "progressive"

website.

http://marshallreport.com/

[LowerManhattanite]

57. Quite a few of the emails are indeed REAL and indicate typical in-party skulduggery...

There are locked threads HERE on DU where “interested parties” have been pimping highly incendiary BOGUS emails piggy-backed onto the story to make things appear worse.

Where these folks are getting these “emails” is a probably verrrrry interesting place...with very interesting agendas.

And I'm calling that—ratf*cking— OUT.

Go look up “Rat-f*cking”. You'll get it.

[Will Morningstar]

68. I posted no e-mails here ever. Was minding my business on another thread when what do I see...

People kept changing the subject on him (to e-mails), he kept defending his OP, I've never liked bullies, so I chatted with him awhile. We were OFF the Putin thing and onto healthcare when I noticed your thread. I assure you, I'm part of no conspiracy.

[Nancyswidower]

53. What faked e-mails...

"People here going with FAKED e-mails"

[Tatiana]

56. Hopefully, Democrats are capable of walking and chewing gum at the same time.

The system was unfair to Bernie.

Debbie Wasserman Schultz represented some of the worst "leadership" provided by a DNC chair. She raised a lot of $$$ by being a sellout. They don't call her Debt Trap Debbie for nothing.

Debbie is not interested in representing Democratic party values or principles. Debbie is out for Debbie. It's too bad, because she started out as a very promising young Democrat, but she has definitely lost her way.

Hillary Clinton is the party's nominee. We will support her. Bernie supporters will vote for the Clinton/Kaine ticket. But it's very clear that a housecleaning is in order and this is hopefully the beginning of the process.

I have been aware of the corruption and dysfunction at the DNC. It is the reason why I refuse to give them a dime and haven't donated since 2012.

[KPN]

104. Same here, but 2010 for me.

I only give to specific Democratic candidates, not to the Party since then. But they keep pestering me. They want my money but apparently not my opinions.

[Laura PourMeADrink]

60. behind the news. How did Trump know about this before it happened?

[PoliticalMalcontent]

81. Curious. have a source?

Not denying, but would enjoy more information.

[Uponthegears]

87. Just stop

If I read one more "Ah ha, now "everyone" knows the DNC was helping Hillary. We need to weed out "corruption." post, I am going to pound my head bloody against the wall.

We've always known the DNC was helping Hillary. We all knew that the DNC would try to stop anyone who ran against Hillary. We all knew that is just the way the DNC (and the RNC for that matter) work and always have worked. This wailing about how the DNC is "supposed to be neutral" is flat out disingenuous. It's not true when they say it. It's not true when we say it. We knew this what we were up against when we signed up with Bernie. We weren't cheated in any way, shape or form.

What's more, we know it didn't change the result.

Yea, it takes a truckload of hubris for Hillary's Primary Army to be posting stuff like "Hillary won fair and square" at this point in time (even though, like I said, it's not cheating when the "cheated" knows exactly what forces are on the other side from the get go), or to launch into divisive flotsam like "The DNC did Bernie a favor by letting him run at all" (which translates to "We did 43% of the Democratic electorate a 'favor' by letting them participate in the nomination process at all&quot , but that's on the shoulders of handful of DU denizens who can't let the primary go.

But if we let this story divide us (or use this story to bludgeon our respective FORMER primary opponents over the head by acting like this is some new and shocking news), we are going to end up throwing away an opportunity to make historic changes in this country.

Bernie knows it . . . I know it . . . you know it.

Put Secretary Clinton in the White House, take the Senate, take the House, and send whatever beast the Republican party's hatred for Barrack Obama turned it into to the depths of a bottomless pit.

Unite

[Will Morningstar]

96. Yes, yes, yes. ENOUGH of this circular firing squad.

Reminds me of the last scene from Reservoir Dogs.

[KPN]

107. You are wrong. The scheduling of debates

was egregious in itself. That should never have happened. The Party should never have committed to one candidate years ahead of the primary in the first place. That in itself is a blatant violation of the basic democratic principle that the people should select their leaders. If the Democratic Party isn't comporting itself according to that principle, it is violating the peoples' trust plain and simple. Why should anyone be loyal to a party that intentionally undermines their role in the process. The debates serve a purpose -- to give people an opportunity to get to know and compare candidates. The scheduling intentionally undermined that purpose. This is about much more than Brad Marshall's emails.

[Uponthegears]

110. I don't disagree at all

But Bernie understood and all of us should have understood that this was how it would be. We can talk about how the DNC should be neutral and every candidate should have an equal chance, but everyone of us who have been active in progressive/radical causes knew it wasn't going to be that way and to act like we expected more than we got is not being honest.

[KPN]

131. And to not register dissatisfaction and opposition to it is not being honest or, for that matter ...

genuine to the basic democratic principle. Knowing about but ignoring wrong makes one either complicit or cowardly. Sometimes followers need to lead.

[cyberpunk]

125. And then, Goddess willing, we primary her in 2020. eom

[humbled_opinion]

92. Dennis Kucinich is calling

Clinton camp tone deaf on this issue. Says more emails will be showing coordination with the Clinton campaign and the DNC. Bernie got screwed.

[stupidicus]

94. who's he gonna start ww3 with?

that's what I wanna know

[FSogol]

128. Mexico? The PGA? Judge Curiel, Iran, Mike Pence? Melaina's speech writer?

Who can tell with Trumpy?

[stupidicus]

153. lol

okay

[George II]

95. Indeed, thanks for the OP.

[KPN]

102. Oh, I get it. The enemy is sowing discord and

dissent. That would never happen without mind manipulation.

[B Calm]

118. I guess it was rats who set up the Democratic debates on nights when no one would watch too?

[Demsrule86]

122. Do really believe debates would have made the difference?

And I watched the debates the next day or the day after that...this is the era of DVR's and the computer. We are not chained to our televisions and forced to watch a program at a particular time.

[B Calm]

123. Why would the DNC set the debates at a time when viewers wouldn't be watching?

[Demsrule86]

155. I have no idea. Maybe it was cheaper or maybe they supported the Democrat.

I don't know, but I do know I watched the debates the next day I think...but I watched. Those who care about politics could have watched them online or DVR'd them. If you didn't then it is on you. I do not believe the debates would have enabled Sanders to win this primary. But whatever is wrong can be fixed after we beat Trump...now is not the time.

[KPN]

129. That is beside the point. Nice deflection though.

Ends justifying the means --as usual from status quo.

[Demsrule86]

154. The primary is over

I did not watch the convention much last night...want to stay positive. But I will watch the speeches today...DVR my friend is also your friend. It really does not matter when things air...if you want to watch it, you will. We have only Hillary standing between us and the Comrade Heil Trump. That is the reality. Whatever, is wrong with the DNC can be addressed after this election but before the midterm.

[KPN]

157. I think you are basically arguing with yourself.

I never said anything about the primary not being over. On the other hand, you keep criticizing Bernie supporters as if it actually isn't over. Instead, I would think you would be a little more tolerant and open to expressions of dissent when that dissent is reasonable. Berners are simply leveraging their assets to influence Hillary, her campaign positions on issues, and hopefully her Presidency ... and you seem to be having a hissy-fit about it demanding their submission and fealty instead. This doesn't have to be a zero-sum game.

[Scuba]

124. It appears the rat-fucking occurred months ago.

[treestar]

135. Exactly.

I am interested by the lack of interest in bringing Donald down.

[AgadorSparticus]

146. Kicked

[Blue_Tires]

148. I've only been pointing it out for 2+ years now

and for 2+ years people here have called me a hater, a paid shill, and pretty much everything else besides a Child of God...

I just want *one* of those cowards to show themselves now that I've been vindicated for the hundredth time... They know who they are...

[grahamhgreen]

152. Does it anger you to see your candidate treated unfairly?