2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSanders supporters have gotten their pound of flesh, is this enough to get them to unequivocally
support Secretary Clinton? Or will some of them continue to move the goal posts, want more and end up causing disruptions during the Democratic National Convention? To those that want to continue to be agitators, the Republicans just had a 4 day clown car ... we don't need to show everyone that we're as dysfunctional as they are.
DWS is going to get an "honorary" chairperson position outside of the convention ... let her have the position and quit with the histrionics. You realize that an honorary chairperson doesn't have any real responsibilities and doesn't do any real work, don't you? It's probably being done as a small face saving measure for her. There is no need to continue to go after her, you won. If you're still bitter and feel the need to continue to pile on, support Tim Canova in the primary and let the voters decide her fate.
Now after all this, Secretary Clinton is NOT the enemy and she didn't stack the deck or disenfranchise any voters. And even if the DNC hadn't put any support behind HRC, she still would have won the nomination. HRC won the popular vote by about 12% and while that's not quite a landslide, it sure was a massive win. HRC won because she learned from her loss in 2008 at the hands of the minority vote and the Southern vote ... she won in 2016 for the same reasons she lost in 2008. And after HRC built up that early lead, Sanders was never going to catch up.
Also, the debate schedule was fine ... there were 5 debates before the FIRST vote was cast in Iowa and 5 more afterwards. How many more debates should they have had? If someone can't get to know your candidate after 5 to 10 debates, then having another 5, 10 or 15 debates more isn't going to change that. At some point, the debates go from being a place where you learn about the candidates to where the candidates are repeating the same things over and over again and they're just trying not to have a Rick Perry "Ooops" moment. A good majority of the public has some form of DVR or access to a replay of any debate on the internet. And if your candidate isn't nationally known, maybe they should have done more in the prior years to increase their visibility. Just as the DNC shouldn't be favoring one candidate over another, it's also not their responsibility to even out the playing field and making sure lesser known candidates are propped up and given visibility. That's what fundraising and campaigning is for.
On the eve of the Democratic National Convention, it is time to come together and fight the real threat to this country ... Donald tRump.
And spare me how this post isn't good for "unity" ... if you're not ready for unity by now, you never will be, no matter what I do or don't post. So quit using a post like this as an excuse for something you never plan on doing anyways.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)Might be an issue
JI7
(89,247 posts)And i do not see them as being the left. Just ClinTon haters and conspiracy theorists.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)JI7
(89,247 posts)kerry-is-my-prez
(8,133 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)a new DWS outrage. They aren't fooling anyone.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)That was the biggest signal.
They will never be satisfied with anything. That is not their M.O.
JI7
(89,247 posts)Is important that Sanders supporters already moved on to Clinton long before he endorsed her. These are the ones who actually care about issues.
Unfortunately the others are small but the loudest and played a much bigger part in Sanders losing than dws or anyone else has.
Now their goal is for Clinton to lose to trump.
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)In the platform that you disagree with?
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Kind of knocked it out of the park for you with that comment.
DavidDvorkin
(19,473 posts)JCMach1
(27,556 posts)as DNC Chair.
Seriously Sec. Clinton... Seriously?
TeddyR
(2,493 posts)The primary battles, or does that only apply to Sanders supporters? What can we do to make you happy?
babylonsister
(171,056 posts)babylonsister
(171,056 posts)You sound like someone I don't agree with. Because I may not agree with you, now I'm not worth considering?
DWS wouldn't have gone anywhere if she didn't have a reason to. She did. It's not a conspiracy theory, it's life.
Get over it.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Tacky.
Behind the Aegis
(53,949 posts)Origin
This of course derives from Shakespeare's Merchant of Venice, 1596. The insistence by Shylock of the payment of Antonio's flesh is the central plot device of the play:
SHYLOCK:
The pound of flesh which I demand of him Is deerely bought, 'tis mine, and I will haue it.
pound of flesh
The figurative use of the phrase to refer to any lawful but nevertheless unreasonable recompense dates to the late 18th century.
http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/284400.html
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I don't think many understand its origins, and the implications which could be implied.
JCanete
(5,272 posts)give a fuck about how our party...your party...conducts itself at the top. Why was that debate schedule fine? Remind me again how many debates they had in 2008?
It would be nice if anybody from the Clinton camp would join us in just a little bit of outrage that our party chair would attempt to tip the balance in favor of one candidate over the other, while operating under the pretense of impartiality, that is supposedly part of the job description. How many times have we seen posters on this site tell people they were seeing things or that they were being sore losers when they articulated their sense that favorites were being played?
And now that those "whiners" have been vindicated, if just in a small way, your answer is to say, "you got your pound of flesh, can we move on now?" What the fuck dude? Why don't you want your party to be better than that? Why is it just about what "they" should be satisfied with?
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Those are the holdouts people are referring to and they must be kicked to the curb. Much of their ideology is based in right wing extremism and xenophobic principles.
We have our coalition and its strong.the Putin boot lickers deserve nothing short of being mocked relentlessly.