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Sun Jul 24, 2016, 10:06 PM

 

Sanders Team Wanted DNC To Pay For Private Plane For Fall ~ (GD 16)

Oops. Sanders staffer leaves an internal memo in a restaurant, which makes its way to the press. Plans for fall campaign include asking DNC to pay for private plane for Bernie to fly around and conduct rallies.

An internal “End Game” memo left in a Los Angeles hotel restaurant details extraordinary demands considered by the Sanders campaign ahead of the Democrats’ unity event.

PHILADELPHIA — The Bernie Sanders campaign considered demanding a private plane staffed and funded by the Democratic National Committee as part of negotiations with Hillary Clinton heading into this week’s convention, according to a Sanders memo obtained by BuzzFeed News.


The plane was to be used “for a series of fall rallies in battleground states,” according to the “Bernie 2016” memo, which was drafted in the days before Sanders’ sound defeat in the June 7 California primary, the contest that effectively ended his insurgent bid.


“This plane would be paid for by the DNC,” it reads.

The document reveals a campaign in its final days, considering whether to fight on with a “divisive critique” of Clinton, yet attuned to diminished influence inside the party.


Aides believed a tour of the battleground states would help keep Sanders center stage. The memo, titled “End Game,” also suggests that the Vermont senator’s campaign for Senate Democrats to “help deliver a majority and take credit for it” — one of several references throughout the four-page document showing the extent to which aides remained aware of opportunities to take “credit” amid decreasing “leverage.”




Much more in link: https://www.buzzfeed.com/evanmcsan/bernie-sanders-private-plane?utm_term=.tyxDkoRW6#.guZ2VG8Zw

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Her Sister Jul 2016 OP
Cha Jul 2016 #1
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DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #3
Her Sister Jul 2016 #4
DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #77
glennward Jul 2016 #5
99th_Monkey Jul 2016 #6
RonniePudding Jul 2016 #8
Her Sister Jul 2016 #9
merrily Jul 2016 #29
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okasha Jul 2016 #20
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treestar Jul 2016 #74
democrattotheend Jul 2016 #75
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NWCorona Jul 2016 #10
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glennward Jul 2016 #11
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Response to Her Sister (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 10:11 PM

1. Thank you for this, HS!

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Sun Jul 24, 2016, 10:13 PM

3. jeebus

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Response to DemonGoddess (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 10:14 PM

4. Demon Goddess! I just posted the beginning.... Recommend reading the rest

 

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Response to Her Sister (Reply #4)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:09 PM

77. oh I did

and what I think of all this is, quite frankly, not postable.

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Response to Her Sister (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 10:18 PM

5. Oh, my, my, my.

 

Not even Wikileaks either.

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Response to Her Sister (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 10:19 PM

6. I see nothing particularly damning about this.

 

If Hills expects Sanders to stump hard for her, it's a reasonable request.

Hillary flew on her private jets for the entire primary campaign.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #6)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 10:22 PM

8. The difference is Hillary's campaign was paying for the jet.

 

Bernie is asking for someone else to pay for it. That being said, it's a perfectly reasonable request. What do people expect him to do, fly commercial? That's not ideal in a campaign where you have to get to a lot of places in a short time.

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Response to RonniePudding (Reply #8)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 10:24 PM

9. LOL!

 

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Response to RonniePudding (Reply #8)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:48 PM

29. Each campaign paid for its own transportation. The difference is Sanders will be campaigning for

Hillary, as and the DNC very much want him to do.

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Response to merrily (Reply #29)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:50 PM

31. Right

 

but the poster i was replying to was talking about how hillary took private planes during the primary.

I'm well aware of how it works in the general.

Thanks.

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Response to RonniePudding (Reply #31)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:10 AM

42. I think that poster was only making the point that flying private while campaigning is SOP.

I was not trying to imply you don't know how a general works. Of course you do.

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Response to RonniePudding (Reply #8)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:38 AM

53. Didn't Obama's campaign pay for Clinton's transportation to stump for him in 2008?

Isn't that pretty standard for campaigns to cover the cost to transport surrogates?

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Response to democrattotheend (Reply #53)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:26 AM

71. Bingo! Haven't they tried to discredit Bernie enough already!

 

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #6)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 10:49 PM

20. A private plane is pretty much

a necessity with a Secret Service entourage. Nobody wants to sit across the aisle from a guy with a sniper rifle.

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Response to okasha (Reply #20)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:56 PM

82. Bernie no longer has

 

secret service protection.

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #82)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:15 PM

83. I was responding to post #6.

Still, a small business jet is not unreasonable if his schedule is heavy.

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #6)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:02 AM

65. I agree with you 100%

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Response to 99th_Monkey (Reply #6)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 10:27 AM

74. Bernie was such a man of the people who flew commercial

I don't care about it, but the hypocrisy is stunning. You'd be making a lot of this if it were Hillary.

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Response to treestar (Reply #74)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:07 PM

75. Not really.

I am pretty sure the Obama campaign provided a private plane (or covered the cost of using one) for Hillary when she stumped for him in 2008. They would have had to, since she had $15 million in campaign debt already. I don't see the big deal here.

It is probably harder for Bernie to fly commercial right now than it used to be because he is a lot better known.

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Response to democrattotheend (Reply #75)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:48 PM

80. OK

So it would not be a scandal if Hillary asked for it either. Interesting.

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Response to treestar (Reply #80)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:53 PM

81. I am pretty sure she did ask for it in 2008

And I don't recall it being a scandal.

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Response to Her Sister (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 10:19 PM

7. Dear fellow HRC supporters...

 

The primaries are over, Hillary has won a decisive victory, it is now time to extend an olive branch to our fellow progressives and unite. I do not want my children, your children, or any child to grow up in Trump's dystopian America.

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Response to JaneyVee (Reply #7)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 10:26 PM

10. Thank you!

The primaries are over and Trump is the target.

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Response to NWCorona (Reply #10)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 10:31 PM

12. YES! Now can we get an AMEN from Bernie supporters? nt

 

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Response to glennward (Reply #12)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:40 PM

26. Bernie supporter here, and to put things in perspective,

My presidential preference at the end of the primary, in ranked order:

1. Bernie Sanders
2. Martin O'Malley
3. Hillary Clinton

(insert any of about 330 million Americans here)

330,000,004. Donald Trump





Yes I will happily vote for Hillary Clinton over Donald Trump in November

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Response to glennward (Reply #12)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:49 PM

30. No Bernie supporter started this thread.

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Response to Her Sister (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 10:28 PM

11. So this is just coming out now? These journalists held this back until now for what reason?

 

Does this pass the smell test?

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Response to glennward (Reply #11)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:54 PM

34. Divide and conquer. eom

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Response to Her Sister (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 10:31 PM

13. I didn't see anything wrong with what DWS said in emails and I honestly don't see anything wrong

 

with this either. If Bernie is campaigning for Hillary, I say give this to him.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #13)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 10:37 PM

14. I would like bygones to be bygones

However, since the email by DNC was brought up - you don't see anythng wrong with "so that Sen. Sanders can claim credit for victory and energize his movement"? This was more to energize the movement, nothing about it says for making Hillary win.

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Response to zenabby (Reply #14)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 10:40 PM

17. It's wishful thinking on their part. No movement and little elevated profile for Sanders is

 

forthcoming. The latter could change if he is named to a position in her cabinet.

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Response to zenabby (Reply #14)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 10:48 PM

19. No, there is nothing wrong with it in context

It was written by his staff. An internal memo for his campaign. Their loyalty had been to Bernie and their fiduciary duty had been to him. They were in transition.

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Response to zenabby (Reply #14)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:51 PM

32. Which victory did Sanders claim credit for? Which emails did Sanders provide wikileaks?

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Response to zenabby (Reply #14)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:11 PM

78. Exactly.

They want to keep him front and center and have him take credit for the victory.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #13)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 10:25 AM

73. What I thought was important and that's pretty much been overlooked is

how they were evidently talking about this, kicking these ideas around, and then decided against it.

It was oppositional research they were looking at. And every campaign does it. And you've gotta know the CONS were doing it on BOTH our candidates, just zeroing in on ONE, now.

And I'm one of those who is really strongly suspicious about the reason this all was leaked - NOW - gee, by Russian hackers? Gee, and Putin and Trump have this weird mutual admiration society going? And Paul Manafort worked for a Ukrainian Putin-puppet before coming aboard with The Donald? Hmmmm... There's just a little bit too much of a coincidence working here. The timing is just a little bit too fishy. Sorry. I'm not usually given to conspiracies. But this just smells.

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Response to Her Sister (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 10:39 PM

15. Pay for it, we need the Bernie supporters

to get out and vote!

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Response to Her Sister (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 10:39 PM

16. I understand the need to vent but I don't see what the problem is here

When everyone was screaming that Bernie has a massive ego. His team was working on a memo called "endgame" meaning it's over.

I don't think requesting a private plane is absurd.

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Response to NWCorona (Reply #16)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:40 PM

27. "End Game" didn't mean just giving up to them...

as the memo broadly outlines how they would fight for the nomination on the floor.

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Response to SaschaHM (Reply #27)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:01 AM

36. Sanders did not write the memo, nor is he urging a floor fight. This is grasping at straws.

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Response to merrily (Reply #36)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:42 AM

56. How is this grasping?

When the memo was written Sanders was still publicly committed to fighting on to the convention. He changed his tune after CA, yes.

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Response to SaschaHM (Reply #56)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:47 AM

58. That was all discussed on DU as it happened and he's not doing anything like that.

The need to fan the flames again today, long after the fact, seems like some need to keep the primary fights alive for whatever reason.

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Response to SaschaHM (Reply #27)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:20 AM

45. I believe multiple scenarios and strategies were laid out.

Where are we now tho?

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Response to NWCorona (Reply #16)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:54 PM

33. Agree, but do we even know for certain that his team prepared this memo?

He 74, lives in Vermont and still has Senate responsibilities in DC. If he is going to be criscrossing the country to campaign for Hillary, as the DNC wishes, he will need staffers with him and should be able to bring family with him, if he wishes. A private plane. I am sure anyone else in his position being asked to do the same thing would get one.

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Response to merrily (Reply #33)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:24 AM

47. Yeah I'm not necessarily buying that this is authentic but I'm not gonna

Let a narrative build if you know what I mean.

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Response to NWCorona (Reply #47)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:26 AM

50. I do.

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Response to Her Sister (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 10:42 PM

18. These are not "extraordinary demands". This is how party unity

starts. The Sanders campaign is/was transitioning from the primary to helping in the general. I would guess many candidates that lose in a primary and are expected to stump for the winning candidate and/or other down ticket candidates have written many similar memos. Bernie does have a lot of popularity and for him to continue to campaign for the ticket and down ticket especially with younger voters is an asset for the party, not something to be mocked or used against him or his campaign.

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Response to Her Sister (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:10 PM

21. seems like paying for these flights would be standard procedure. could be wrong tho. nt

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Response to Her Sister (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:28 PM

22. K & R

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Response to Her Sister (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:35 PM

23. Well? Did he get it? Go, Bernie, go!

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Response to Her Sister (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:35 PM

24. I mean...

They've been underselling his ability to bring supporters into the fold to get concessions for weeks. I don't see the use of a private plane for a guy that can't corral his movement into supporting the nominee. Waste of resources. Give the plane to Elizabeth Warren.

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Response to SaschaHM (Reply #24)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:06 AM

38. It isn't a waste of resources

Most Bernie supporters are supporting HRC. He will be important especially with the young voters who may have never cast a vote before they voted for him and might be inclined to sit out or vote 3rd party. He can bring them to the ticket. There will be many surrogates. It isn't an either/or scenario. On a national level, I see BHO and Bernie as the two most important.

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Response to OhioBlue (Reply #38)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:34 PM

84. well not the Bernie supporyers who are now protesting down the street or

The ones who are supposed to be chanting "lock her up".

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Response to SaschaHM (Reply #24)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:08 AM

40. Warren will get one anyway. And, even if Sanders does not bring in every single one

of his millions of supporters, Hillary and the DNC seem happy about his support and him to campaign. I'm not sure why anyone thinks a private plane to use when he is campaigning for Hillary is too much to ask.

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Response to Her Sister (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:38 PM

25. I think he is worth a plane

 

It's a great idea IF he can make the case for Hillary's platform and not his own

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Response to fun n serious (Reply #25)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:13 AM

66. Yep. nt

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Response to Her Sister (Original post)

Sun Jul 24, 2016, 11:44 PM

28. A memo supposedly left in a diner, just made public today? Hmmm.

Asking for a plane to use when he campaigns for Hillary this fall, as she and the DNC want him to do? Hmmm

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Response to Her Sister (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:01 AM

35. Strategy: disqualify Clinton pledged delegates

"The effort to construct a Sanders majority could require disqualifying a number of delegates."

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Response to bluedye33139 (Reply #35)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:04 AM

37. Do you think that is Sanders' plan?

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Response to merrily (Reply #37)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:06 AM

39. I'm simply pulling a quote from a memo

At first glance, it appears to be an investigation of possibilities rather than a cogent plan. It only shows that right before the California primary, the campaign was evaluating its options.

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Response to bluedye33139 (Reply #39)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:09 AM

41. Yes. And?

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Response to merrily (Reply #41)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:14 AM

43. On the Eve

On the eve of the California primary, the Sanders campaign was toying with the idea of disqualifying Clinton delegates. Likely this is one reason why the campaign beat the drum so loudly alleging fraud in every single ballot count.

As fate would have it, the California defeat was insurmountable.

Traditionally, "And?" indicates an emotional tone. You post a question. And?

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Response to bluedye33139 (Reply #43)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:22 AM

46. I disagree with your comment about the campaign beating the drum loudly and why. That said,

and? is a question, yes.

First, we don't even know yet if the campaign even actually prepared this memo, but let's assume a Sanders campaign staffer did prepare it, though

You said the campaign prepared a memo assessing its options. The reason I asked a question is that I am sure campaign staffers in every campaign are constantly preparing memos assessing status and options. I don't attach any significance to that. So, I wanted to understand your point in saying that. I don't understand your comment about emotion, but that's okay. I don't need to.

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Response to merrily (Reply #46)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:26 AM

48. Disagreement is wonderful

Myself, I heard all kinds of allegations

One of the oddest is the Puerto Rico allegations, that Hillary Clinton had surreptitiously prevented the Sanders campaign from having access to prisoners. Later it turned out that they were wrong. The allegations of fraud remain, and then the story drifted off into silence, like so many allegations of fraud.

If there isn't certainty about the authorship of the memo, I am certain that the people involved will step forward and joyfully discuss the workings of their office, their campaign, and every discussion they have ever had off the record. In the name of transparency, of course!

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Response to bluedye33139 (Reply #48)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:31 AM

51. I pointed that out only because anyone could leave a memo in a diner and I did

not see anyone else pointing that out. However, you have to assume it's real if you are going to discuss it all. I think it's just SOP, though.

As far as the campaign itself beating the drum, Sanders said--and I was not happy about it--that it was "dumb," not fraud. I can't imagine why he would have said that if he had been paying people to claim fraud. I think lots of his supporters claimed fraud and/or unfair dealings, though.

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Response to merrily (Reply #51)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:05 AM

69. Yes, the allegations of fraud stopped

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Response to bluedye33139 (Reply #69)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:39 AM

70. Allegations of primary election fraud stopped?

That claim is so patently far from true that I am out of this "discussion."

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Response to Her Sister (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:17 AM

44. Fine. Water under the bridge.

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Response to Her Sister (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:26 AM

49. But but but I thought he was a different kind of politician who would take trains and busses...

...and fly economy class only.

Oh well.

All is forgiven, Bernie, just keep telling all your believers to unite on our side and elect Hillary. Seriously.

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Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:51 AM

60. Sounds like a good plan

 

Bernie helping Hillary win just as he said.

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Response to Her Sister (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:32 AM

52. Productive thread. Don the Con loves all this. nt

 

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Response to 63splitwindow (Reply #52)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:53 AM

61. You can't hide the truth in the name of the election

 

It's just wrong. It makes you like the other side.

But I see nothing wrong in this revelation - it's a good plan for Bernie and Hillary.

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Response to Craig234 (Reply #61)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:01 AM

63. Survivor asks "What Happened" Response- "Donald Trump was elected President of the United States."

 

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Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:56 AM

62. Smear smear smear

 

All you can do it seems. Smear Bernie with lies.

The Tea Party has harmed the Republican Party because it has a bad set of policies. Progressives help the Democratic Party because they have good policies.

It's not an "extreme faction". I'd say the corporatist wing of the party that has betrayed the values and bulk of the American people in order to compete on the big money playing field the wrong way with Republicans is the extreme faction.

The Maoists - that's the extreme faction. Not the FDR policy Bernie wing.

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Response to Her Sister (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:43 AM

57. Whats good for the goose!

smh

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Response to Her Sister (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:01 AM

64. Nothing wrong with this.... he doesn't have the wherewithal or a private plane to get around...

If he is going to be campaigning for Hillary, he needs to GET AROUND.

Just my own humble opinion.

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Response to Her Sister (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:38 AM

68. OFFS. This is a non-issue.

The Clinton campaign is going to be flying a lot of people around the country. BFD.

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Response to Her Sister (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 05:58 AM

72. Damning emails going both ways

BS is just as guilty as the Party.

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Response to Her Sister (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:08 PM

76. Oh, and DWS is the problem.

Right......

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Response to Her Sister (Original post)

Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:13 PM

79. Now, internal emails can be pretty horrid to the

opposition.

Having said that, the one thing I do agree with, is that the big name stumpers need to be flown around at the campaign's expense, not the DNC, if that's what's going to happen. After all, it's a campaign expense.

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Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:51 PM

85. Interesting

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