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Fuck Putin (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 OP
And his buddy Trump as well! leftofcool Jul 2016 #1
And Trump political henchmen, and dirty tricks, and the criminals who hack us. L. Coyote Jul 2016 #28
And his girl Stein! Let's not forget she said she would put Snowden in her cabinet. Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #39
Russia had made some progress towards true democracy, but Putin is taking them back to 1960. tonyt53 Jul 2016 #2
^^^^^^^^^^^^ KGB Peacetrain Jul 2016 #4
Back to 1760 actually nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #6
When the Soviet Union dissolved instead of selling the previously... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #7
He's filth JustAnotherGen Jul 2016 #3
Not true.. speaktruthtopower Jul 2016 #5
Yea, just ask Trump leftofcool Jul 2016 #8
So what DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #10
We should be focused on the GE and the convention. Putin isn't running for office and he is not a floriduck Jul 2016 #16
He is interfering in our election by helping his pals, Paul Manafort and Donald Trump. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #18
At this point, it's hear say. Besides, does any moaning and groaning help improve the situation? floriduck Jul 2016 #19
It shines a light on the fact Putin is trying to rig our election for his pals, Paul Manafort... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #20
That's fine. But the more you whine, the longer the DNC mess stays center stage. Sounds like floriduck Jul 2016 #22
Sometimes we say the opposite of what we want to say. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #23
Well played DSB - well played JustAnotherGen Jul 2016 #36
You seem to be very familiar with moaning and groaning. Loki Jul 2016 #24
Well, well, well... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #31
Putin's interference is designed to help his girl Stein and his boy Trump Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #38
This is true. Much more similar to Stalin than to the Czars. DanTex Jul 2016 #12
Same thing happened to my husband's grandparents. MoonRiver Jul 2016 #9
Thanks to DSB's grandparents!!!!!! NCTraveler Jul 2016 #11
He's also fundamentally no different from Trump matt819 Jul 2016 #13
I am sympathetic to small c communism. But not on earth. Maybe in the next life. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #14
+1 uponit7771 Jul 2016 #17
And fuck the deniers that don't believe this is an actual thing RonniePudding Jul 2016 #15
Putin would have had no chance to misbehave . . FairWinds Jul 2016 #21
Hugely unethical? Loki Jul 2016 #25
Prove unethical DNC actions? That is a very easy one . . FairWinds Jul 2016 #33
Where are the unethical actions? Lord Magus Jul 2016 #45
If some believe Putin interfering in our election is of no moment there is nothing I can do to... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #26
How often has the US interfered in other countries' elections? FairWinds Jul 2016 #29
Longer than that , pardner. I came out of the womb that way. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #35
First, Thanks for being civil !! FairWinds Jul 2016 #42
The DNC should have been impartial. That goes without saying. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #43
FBI to formally investigate the connection re: DNC e-mail drop Iliyah Jul 2016 #27
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #30
Putin put his thumb on the scale to help his pals, Paul Manafort and Donald Trump. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #34
No, DWS and the DNC did this to themselves. This is pure shooting the messenger. FighttheFuture Jul 2016 #40
Politics is hardball... DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #41
And there's nothing wrong with what they did. Lord Magus Jul 2016 #44
...and his running dogs, to resurrect a very old phrase Hekate Jul 2016 #32
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #37
Trump would be the workinclasszero Jul 2016 #46

L. Coyote

(51,129 posts)
28. And Trump political henchmen, and dirty tricks, and the criminals who hack us.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:30 PM
Jul 2016

[center]

Some History of Trump Operatives

Deja DU excerpts, many more at link: Bush vs. Gore, the 'Arkansas Project,' the USA firings, and the Swiftboat Admiral

L. Coyote Jun-09-07
44. Donald Trump, Roger Stone, Jack Abramoff, Gaming Gaming and Scalping the Tribes.

How is it that two consumate Republican insiders, both purported specialists in illegal
funding of campaigns, one a political dirty trickster who stays behind the scenes and
the other a felonious convict linked to the White House political office, each manage
to garner tens of millions of dollars from Indian tribes in the gaming rackets? By
working both sides at once, of course. And, how is it that one gets convicted and goes
to jail while the other keeps getting paid? Who is scalping whom for how much, who has
lost their scalp, who still has theirs, and will Donald Trump's hair survive the scandals?

With all the attention to Abramoff defrauding the Tribes, why isn't there more attention on
who else is involved in all of gaming's political machinations and influence peddling?

Who has lucrative contracts to receive a percentage of the gross from Indian casinos, and
how did they obtain it? Where is all that money going? How much ends up in the coffers of
politicos like Sen. John McCain, and why? Who else is scalping the Tribes?

And how much of the scalping goes to legal and illegal campaign contributions?

Questions to be answered.


36. Who is Roger Stone, Jr.? Buckley, Nixon, Reagan, Bush operative.

"Roger J. Stone, Jr. is a long-time Republican dirty-tricks operative who led the mob that shut down the Miami-Dade County recount and helped make George W. Bush president in 2000. He was also a campaign strategist during the presidential campaigns of Presidents Nixon, Reagan and George Herbert Walker Bush. .............


........ Roger Stone and the Jack Abramoff mould. Making $$millions$$ gaming gaming.

A Dirty Trickster's Bush Bonanza
The man who stopped Miami recount makes gaming millions
by Wayne Barrett
April 19th, 2004 9:30 AM
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/...........

Roger Stone, the dirty-tricks hobgoblin of Republican politics, has exploited his Bush connections to become an influence-peddling force in the $13 billion Indian gaming industry. Stone's booming business in such a federally regulated enterprise makes his recent pro bono orchestration of Al Sharpton's double-edged presidential campaign an even stranger covert caper.

The longtime GOP consultant's reward for fomenting the "Brooks Brothers mob" that shut down the Miami-Dade recount in 2000 was an invitation within days of Bush's election to serve on the Department of Interior transition working group—helping, in his own words, to staff its Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA). Stone has since used this unannounced perch to market himself to tribes and developers from Louisiana to California, earning fat fees and contingent percentages of future casino revenue. Just two of the five deals examined by the Voice are projected to pay him at least $8 million, and perhaps as much as $13 million.

Time, The Washington Post and The New York Times have published exposés about Bush's BIA, with a February story highlighting $45 million in payments to two GOP lobbyists from four tribes since 2001. But no one has focused on Stone's profiteering, which, unlike the payments to registered lobbyists, is not reported on any public filings. ..............


40. Roger Stone, Iran-Contra, NCPAC, Blackwell, Buchanan, Rove, Sex & Trump's Money ...

What role did Stone play in financing the Contras? .............

41. Roger Stone - "slash-and-burn Republican black-bag election tamperer"

A Prayer for Reverend Al
Let Him Buy His Soul Back from the Republicans
by Doug Ireland
www.dissidentvoice.org
February 21, 2004 - First Published in LA Weekly
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Feb04/Ireland0221.htm

Who is Roger Stone? A slash-and-burn Republican black-bag election tamperer and consultant whose mentor was the repulsive Roy Cohn — the redbaiting hatchet man for Senator Joe McCarthy. Stone first made news in the Nixon Watergate scandal, when it was revealed that the 19-year-old apprentice McCarthyite had infiltrated George McGovern’s 1972 presidential campaign as part of CREEP’s sabotage plan. ... Stone helped Ollie North raise money for the Nicaraguan contras, and was a close associate of the notorious Lee Atwater ...


This one, my favorite, exemplifes the lengths to which these unscrupulous operatives will go just to malign a Dem candidate. This is not democracy, it is criminal conduct.

48. Swiftboating Al Gore from Argentina, SIDE, Israeli wire transfers, spy files, forgery, Bush & Menem

un-10-07 04:44 PM by L. Coyote
There just is no way to make this stuff up!! This is a court pleading. Unbelievable.

First get some spy files from Israel, alter them to look like Argentine spy files, make them implicate Bush and Menem in corruption, blame Gore for the forged documents. Sound familiar. Did I mention blackmailing bribed journalists and, of course, the perennial covert Republican dirty tricksters. This genre of dirty trick came to be known as "swiftboating" when done to Kerry four years later by the same players!!

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http://pacer.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinion.pdf/041901.P.pdf
Olavar (Triumph Communications International Group, Plaintiffs-Appellants, v.
Santibañes, Defendant-Appellee, and Ikon Holdings, Inc., t/a Ikon Public Affairs, Dick Morris, Roger Stone, Eileen McGann, John Does, Defendants.

Appeal from the United States District Court Decided: December 1, 2005

Triumph Communications International Group, Incorporated is a corporation that provides political consulting and public relations services and is owned and operated solely by Mattie Lolavar.

In early 2000, Miss Lolavar began discussions with defendant Dick Morris about the possibility of her working with Craig Snyder and defendant Roger Stone, who are partners in defendant IKON Holdings, Inc., another political consulting firm ... about the possibility of Triumph Communications’ assistance with work that IKON was doing for the government of Argentina.
These discussions lead to two contracts ... and provided that Triumph would act as a public relations consultant to "the Secretary of Intelligence of Argentina" as well as arrange various media events...

Miss Lolavar went to Argentina in August 2000 to assist de Santibañes with preparations for his testimony in Argentine congressional hearings inquiring into allegations that he and the Argentine intelligence agency, known as SIDE, were responsible for bribing various Argentine senators in exchange for political support. Morris and Stone assigned other tasks to Miss Lolavar while she was in Argentina. Among other acts, they instructed her to contact SIDE and obtain a list of journalists who accepted bribes from that organization in order to harm the credibility of those same journalists in reporting on a bribery scandal surrounding de Santibañes and President de la Rua, as well as requiring her to spread false information to the press concerning de la Rua’s political opponent, Dr. Carlos Menem. The charges and counter-charges related here are from the papers in the court file, as are the other facts.

A request that occasioned controversy between Miss Lolavar and the defendants was Morris and Stone’s request that she serve as an intermediary in an anonymous wire transfer of funds to an official in Israel. These funds were to be paid to secure intelligence files from the Israeli government to assist de la Rua’s political domestic disputes with Menem, and to imply a corrupt relationship between Menem and George W. Bush, who was then running against Albert Gore for the United States presidency. These files were to be altered by Miss Lolavar to appear to be SIDE documents.

When the defendants became concerned that this plot would be discovered and traced back to them, they ordered Miss Lolavar to orchestrate a press response to blame Vice President Gore for the dissemination of the documents, since it was known to them that the Gore campaign had been attempting to connect Menem with the Bush campaign.

Maru Kitteh

(28,339 posts)
39. And his girl Stein! Let's not forget she said she would put Snowden in her cabinet.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:05 PM
Jul 2016

Stein promised she would put criminal Snowden, who was granted asylum by Putin, in her cabinet. I'd say that communicates a pretty serious level of friendliness toward Putin's Russia. Doesn't seem like much of a coincidence that Putin is doing what he can to help Stein, and thereby assist his best boy tRump right now.



DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
7. When the Soviet Union dissolved instead of selling the previously...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 10:16 AM
Jul 2016

When the Soviet Union dissolved instead of selling the previously nationalized industries to citizens with limits on how much any citizen can own they sold them to the highest bidders. This resulted in an oligarchy.

Putin protects their interests as long as they protect his.

speaktruthtopower

(800 posts)
5. Not true..
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 10:14 AM
Jul 2016

like him or not, he rise in a highly competitive environment, i.e. the KGB. This isn't a hereditary ruler, where a country takes its chances on whether there is aptitude.

Russia has some interests that coincide with ours, some that don't, but it has a formidable leader.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
10. So what
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 10:19 AM
Jul 2016
Not true..

like him or not, he rise in a highly competitive environment, i.e. the KGB



So what

John Gotti rose in a "highly competitive environment" to become the head of the Gambino Family. I didn't respect him either.

Putin bullies his neighbors, assassinates his opponents, cracks down on the press, and persecutes our glbtq brothers and sisters. He is as contemptible as his pal, Donald J. Trump.
 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
16. We should be focused on the GE and the convention. Putin isn't running for office and he is not a
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 10:52 AM
Jul 2016

voter, delegate or candidate. Let's get back to electing Democrats and stop this nonsense.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
20. It shines a light on the fact Putin is trying to rig our election for his pals, Paul Manafort...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 11:09 AM
Jul 2016









It shines a light on the fact Putin is trying to rig our election for his pals, Paul Manafort and Donald Trump.

But thanks for the kick. This thread needs to be at the top of the board.
 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
22. That's fine. But the more you whine, the longer the DNC mess stays center stage. Sounds like
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 11:17 AM
Jul 2016

that's what you want to happen. But I'm not sure you'll be happy in the end.

Not much more to say at this point. Thanks for the interaction.

Loki

(3,825 posts)
24. You seem to be very familiar with moaning and groaning.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 11:42 AM
Jul 2016

Any interference in our political process by an outside government should be everyone's concern. Let's find out if it is true or not before so casually dismissing it. To be that dismissive and frankly the lack of concern, is done at your own peril and to the safety of our country.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
31. Well, well, well...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:32 PM
Jul 2016
The FBI and other US agencies involved haven't yet officially attributed the DNC attack to Russian government hackers. But evidence gathered by the FBI so far points to groups that are known to US counter-intelligence for carrying out intrusions for the Russian government, the officials briefed on the probe say.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/politics/democratic-convention-dnc-emails-russia/

Maru Kitteh

(28,339 posts)
38. Putin's interference is designed to help his girl Stein and his boy Trump
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:59 PM
Jul 2016

Stein is a feckless idiot, but I don't think we shouldn't take it as a coincidence that Stein promised to make Snowden part of her cabinet.

DanTex

(20,709 posts)
12. This is true. Much more similar to Stalin than to the Czars.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 10:22 AM
Jul 2016

Although he has got some Ivan the Terrible in him.

MoonRiver

(36,926 posts)
9. Same thing happened to my husband's grandparents.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 10:19 AM
Jul 2016

Many of his family who stayed, in Europe, were killed in the Holocaust.

matt819

(10,749 posts)
13. He's also fundamentally no different from Trump
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 10:45 AM
Jul 2016

Or, more accurate perhaps, is that Trump is no different from Putin. Of course, that takes us to political philosophy and the differences between fascist dictators (or dictator wannabes) and Communist dictators. But for the purpose a quick DU post, I'm fine with linking one to the other as dictator, generic.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
14. I am sympathetic to small c communism. But not on earth. Maybe in the next life.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 10:50 AM
Jul 2016

Putin is not a communist. Putin and Trump aren't Hitler. They are autocrats who have contempt for the rule of law, individual rights, and democratic norms.

Neither is above the use of violence to reach their goals.

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
21. Putin would have had no chance to misbehave . .
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 11:16 AM
Jul 2016

were it not for the hugely unethical actions of Debbie and the DNC.

Putin (or someone) merely exposed the wrong-doing.

Can I get flicked for this? Probably.

Loki

(3,825 posts)
25. Hugely unethical?
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 11:46 AM
Jul 2016

Prove it. It was hugely unethical for Mr. Sander's to hack into the Clinton campaigns voter data base wasn't it? This has become the thought and word police at best, but there is absolutely no proof that any detrimental action was carried out by the DNC other than a few staffers talking about something that was never acted upon.

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
33. Prove unethical DNC actions? That is a very easy one . .
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:45 PM
Jul 2016

Unethical DNC actions - Number of debates, timing of debates . .

The goal of the MSN and the DNC was clearly to keep Bernie off
the public radar screen as long as they could - and they did it all
the way mostly through December.

Actually, I'm prepared to support HRC, but some of you
Hillary-Bros. make it a pretty unappetizing prospect.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
26. If some believe Putin interfering in our election is of no moment there is nothing I can do to...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 11:52 AM
Jul 2016

If some believe Putin interfering in our election is of no moment there is nothing I can do to disabuse them of that notion.

 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
29. How often has the US interfered in other countries' elections?
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:31 PM
Jul 2016

Ask the Chileans, Brazilians, Aussies, New Zealanders,
Greeks, Italians . .

I could go on and on.

And I did not say that a possible Putin role was of "no moment" - I wrote that
he may have "misbehaved"

I read the New York Times this morning - like you, they focused on
the POSSIBLE, SPECULATIVE Russian role, and all but ignored what
the DNC actually did . .

BTW, I've been an active Dem for 45 years.

How about you?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
35. Longer than that , pardner. I came out of the womb that way.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:47 PM
Jul 2016
How often has the US interfered in other countries' elections?

Ask the Chileans, Brazilians, Aussies, New Zealanders,
Greeks, Italians . .

I could go on and on.


I know you aren't trying to exonerate Russia by saying the US government acted badly in the past.

Putin is putting his thumb on the scale for his pal Donald Trump and it's an abomination.


BTW, I've been an active Dem for 45 years.

How about you?




Longer than that , pardner. I came out of the womb that way.








 

FairWinds

(1,717 posts)
42. First, Thanks for being civil !!
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:57 PM
Jul 2016

You wrote, ". . I know you aren't trying to exonerate Russia by saying the US government acted badly in the past."

No, but I am saying that hyper-nationalistic USAeans get all hot & bothered by other countries'
malfeasance, but tend to ignore it when the US does the same thing.

I excuse none of it - meddling in other countries electoral processes is wrong, no matter who does it.

And it is not really "in the past." We're talking about the last several years . .

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
43. The DNC should have been impartial. That goes without saying.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:00 PM
Jul 2016

But it is human nature to gravitate to someone you know over someone you don't. That is why most jobs are filled before the openings are even published. Everybody knows somebody who can do the job.

If the accounts are true Putin is trying to saddle us with Trump. That is messed up on so many levels.


Oh, of course I don't think we should meddle in other nation's elections either.

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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
34. Putin put his thumb on the scale to help his pals, Paul Manafort and Donald Trump.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 12:45 PM
Jul 2016

Everything else is commentary !!!

 

FighttheFuture

(1,313 posts)
40. No, DWS and the DNC did this to themselves. This is pure shooting the messenger.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:42 PM
Jul 2016

The gave whomever enabled this leak the loaded gun to shot themselves with.

I am all for this sunlight. The DEM party needs to be cleaned up.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
41. Politics is hardball...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:54 PM
Jul 2016

Trump wants to ban Muslims from coming to America and kick out the Mexicans who are already here. He wants to torture terrorists and kill their families. He says he prefers Jewish accountants over black ones because the former are naturally better with money and the latter are naturally lazy. He calls women pigs and worse. He fawns over dictators like Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong-Un...

To put it in idiomatic English that is some fucked up shit.


Anybody who distracts me from defeating Donald Trump at the ballot box is my mortal enemy and it is my fervent desire I am his or her's.

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
44. And there's nothing wrong with what they did.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:33 PM
Jul 2016

They weren't obligated to pretend that the primary was a 50/50 race where both sides had an equal chance of winning. And they weren't obligated to pretend, even in private, that they didn't have a candidate they preferred.

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workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
46. Trump would be the
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:36 PM
Jul 2016

American equivalent of Putin. They are soulmates for sure!

Shit Putin hacked into the DNC for Trump and the republicans benefit already!

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