2016 Postmortem
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He isn't fundamentally different than the Czars who ruled the Russia of yore. Thank god, my grandparents left Russia with nothing but the clothes on their back, one step of the latest pogrom.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)L. Coyote
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Some History of Trump Operatives
Deja DU excerpts, many more at link: Bush vs. Gore, the 'Arkansas Project,' the USA firings, and the Swiftboat Admiral
44. Donald Trump, Roger Stone, Jack Abramoff, Gaming Gaming and Scalping the Tribes.
How is it that two consumate Republican insiders, both purported specialists in illegal
funding of campaigns, one a political dirty trickster who stays behind the scenes and
the other a felonious convict linked to the White House political office, each manage
to garner tens of millions of dollars from Indian tribes in the gaming rackets? By
working both sides at once, of course. And, how is it that one gets convicted and goes
to jail while the other keeps getting paid? Who is scalping whom for how much, who has
lost their scalp, who still has theirs, and will Donald Trump's hair survive the scandals?
With all the attention to Abramoff defrauding the Tribes, why isn't there more attention on
who else is involved in all of gaming's political machinations and influence peddling?
Who has lucrative contracts to receive a percentage of the gross from Indian casinos, and
how did they obtain it? Where is all that money going? How much ends up in the coffers of
politicos like Sen. John McCain, and why? Who else is scalping the Tribes?
And how much of the scalping goes to legal and illegal campaign contributions?
Questions to be answered.
"Roger J. Stone, Jr. is a long-time Republican dirty-tricks operative who led the mob that shut down the Miami-Dade County recount and helped make George W. Bush president in 2000. He was also a campaign strategist during the presidential campaigns of Presidents Nixon, Reagan and George Herbert Walker Bush. .............
........ Roger Stone and the Jack Abramoff mould. Making $$millions$$ gaming gaming.
A Dirty Trickster's Bush Bonanza
The man who stopped Miami recount makes gaming millions
by Wayne Barrett
April 19th, 2004 9:30 AM
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/...........
Roger Stone, the dirty-tricks hobgoblin of Republican politics, has exploited his Bush connections to become an influence-peddling force in the $13 billion Indian gaming industry. Stone's booming business in such a federally regulated enterprise makes his recent pro bono orchestration of Al Sharpton's double-edged presidential campaign an even stranger covert caper.
The longtime GOP consultant's reward for fomenting the "Brooks Brothers mob" that shut down the Miami-Dade recount in 2000 was an invitation within days of Bush's election to serve on the Department of Interior transition working grouphelping, in his own words, to staff its Bureau of Indian Affairs (BIA). Stone has since used this unannounced perch to market himself to tribes and developers from Louisiana to California, earning fat fees and contingent percentages of future casino revenue. Just two of the five deals examined by the Voice are projected to pay him at least $8 million, and perhaps as much as $13 million.
Time, The Washington Post and The New York Times have published exposés about Bush's BIA, with a February story highlighting $45 million in payments to two GOP lobbyists from four tribes since 2001. But no one has focused on Stone's profiteering, which, unlike the payments to registered lobbyists, is not reported on any public filings. ..............
What role did Stone play in financing the Contras? .............
41. Roger Stone - "slash-and-burn Republican black-bag election tamperer"
A Prayer for Reverend Al
Let Him Buy His Soul Back from the Republicans
by Doug Ireland
www.dissidentvoice.org
February 21, 2004 - First Published in LA Weekly
http://www.dissidentvoice.org/Feb04/Ireland0221.htm
Who is Roger Stone? A slash-and-burn Republican black-bag election tamperer and consultant whose mentor was the repulsive Roy Cohn the redbaiting hatchet man for Senator Joe McCarthy. Stone first made news in the Nixon Watergate scandal, when it was revealed that the 19-year-old apprentice McCarthyite had infiltrated George McGoverns 1972 presidential campaign as part of CREEPs sabotage plan. ... Stone helped Ollie North raise money for the Nicaraguan contras, and was a close associate of the notorious Lee Atwater ...
This one, my favorite, exemplifes the lengths to which these unscrupulous operatives will go just to malign a Dem candidate. This is not democracy, it is criminal conduct.
un-10-07 04:44 PM by L. Coyote
There just is no way to make this stuff up!! This is a court pleading. Unbelievable.
First get some spy files from Israel, alter them to look like Argentine spy files, make them implicate Bush and Menem in corruption, blame Gore for the forged documents. Sound familiar. Did I mention blackmailing bribed journalists and, of course, the perennial covert Republican dirty tricksters. This genre of dirty trick came to be known as "swiftboating" when done to Kerry four years later by the same players!!
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http://pacer.ca4.uscourts.gov/opinion.pdf/041901.P.pdf
Olavar (Triumph Communications International Group, Plaintiffs-Appellants, v.
Santibañes, Defendant-Appellee, and Ikon Holdings, Inc., t/a Ikon Public Affairs, Dick Morris, Roger Stone, Eileen McGann, John Does, Defendants.
Appeal from the United States District Court Decided: December 1, 2005
Triumph Communications International Group, Incorporated is a corporation that provides political consulting and public relations services and is owned and operated solely by Mattie Lolavar.
In early 2000, Miss Lolavar began discussions with defendant Dick Morris about the possibility of her working with Craig Snyder and defendant Roger Stone, who are partners in defendant IKON Holdings, Inc., another political consulting firm ... about the possibility of Triumph Communications assistance with work that IKON was doing for the government of Argentina.
These discussions lead to two contracts ... and provided that Triumph would act as a public relations consultant to "the Secretary of Intelligence of Argentina" as well as arrange various media events...
Miss Lolavar went to Argentina in August 2000 to assist de Santibañes with preparations for his testimony in Argentine congressional hearings inquiring into allegations that he and the Argentine intelligence agency, known as SIDE, were responsible for bribing various Argentine senators in exchange for political support. Morris and Stone assigned other tasks to Miss Lolavar while she was in Argentina. Among other acts, they instructed her to contact SIDE and obtain a list of journalists who accepted bribes from that organization in order to harm the credibility of those same journalists in reporting on a bribery scandal surrounding de Santibañes and President de la Rua, as well as requiring her to spread false information to the press concerning de la Ruas political opponent, Dr. Carlos Menem. The charges and counter-charges related here are from the papers in the court file, as are the other facts.
A request that occasioned controversy between Miss Lolavar and the defendants was Morris and Stones request that she serve as an intermediary in an anonymous wire transfer of funds to an official in Israel. These funds were to be paid to secure intelligence files from the Israeli government to assist de la Ruas political domestic disputes with Menem, and to imply a corrupt relationship between Menem and George W. Bush, who was then running against Albert Gore for the United States presidency. These files were to be altered by Miss Lolavar to appear to be SIDE documents.
When the defendants became concerned that this plot would be discovered and traced back to them, they ordered Miss Lolavar to orchestrate a press response to blame Vice President Gore for the dissemination of the documents, since it was known to them that the Gore campaign had been attempting to connect Menem with the Bush campaign.
Maru Kitteh
(28,339 posts)Stein promised she would put criminal Snowden, who was granted asylum by Putin, in her cabinet. I'd say that communicates a pretty serious level of friendliness toward Putin's Russia. Doesn't seem like much of a coincidence that Putin is doing what he can to help Stein, and thereby assist his best boy tRump right now.
tonyt53
(5,737 posts)Peacetrain
(22,875 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)When the Soviet Union dissolved instead of selling the previously nationalized industries to citizens with limits on how much any citizen can own they sold them to the highest bidders. This resulted in an oligarchy.
Putin protects their interests as long as they protect his.
JustAnotherGen
(31,810 posts)speaktruthtopower
(800 posts)like him or not, he rise in a highly competitive environment, i.e. the KGB. This isn't a hereditary ruler, where a country takes its chances on whether there is aptitude.
Russia has some interests that coincide with ours, some that don't, but it has a formidable leader.
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)like him or not, he rise in a highly competitive environment, i.e. the KGB
So what
John Gotti rose in a "highly competitive environment" to become the head of the Gambino Family. I didn't respect him either.
Putin bullies his neighbors, assassinates his opponents, cracks down on the press, and persecutes our glbtq brothers and sisters. He is as contemptible as his pal, Donald J. Trump.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)voter, delegate or candidate. Let's get back to electing Democrats and stop this nonsense.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)floriduck
(2,262 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)It shines a light on the fact Putin is trying to rig our election for his pals, Paul Manafort and Donald Trump.
But thanks for the kick. This thread needs to be at the top of the board.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)that's what you want to happen. But I'm not sure you'll be happy in the end.
Not much more to say at this point. Thanks for the interaction.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)JustAnotherGen
(31,810 posts)Loki
(3,825 posts)Any interference in our political process by an outside government should be everyone's concern. Let's find out if it is true or not before so casually dismissing it. To be that dismissive and frankly the lack of concern, is done at your own peril and to the safety of our country.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/politics/democratic-convention-dnc-emails-russia/
Maru Kitteh
(28,339 posts)Stein is a feckless idiot, but I don't think we shouldn't take it as a coincidence that Stein promised to make Snowden part of her cabinet.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Although he has got some Ivan the Terrible in him.
MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Many of his family who stayed, in Europe, were killed in the Holocaust.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)matt819
(10,749 posts)Or, more accurate perhaps, is that Trump is no different from Putin. Of course, that takes us to political philosophy and the differences between fascist dictators (or dictator wannabes) and Communist dictators. But for the purpose a quick DU post, I'm fine with linking one to the other as dictator, generic.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Putin is not a communist. Putin and Trump aren't Hitler. They are autocrats who have contempt for the rule of law, individual rights, and democratic norms.
Neither is above the use of violence to reach their goals.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)RonniePudding
(889 posts)As far as I'm concerned they're complicit.
FairWinds
(1,717 posts)were it not for the hugely unethical actions of Debbie and the DNC.
Putin (or someone) merely exposed the wrong-doing.
Can I get flicked for this? Probably.
Loki
(3,825 posts)Prove it. It was hugely unethical for Mr. Sander's to hack into the Clinton campaigns voter data base wasn't it? This has become the thought and word police at best, but there is absolutely no proof that any detrimental action was carried out by the DNC other than a few staffers talking about something that was never acted upon.
FairWinds
(1,717 posts)Unethical DNC actions - Number of debates, timing of debates . .
The goal of the MSN and the DNC was clearly to keep Bernie off
the public radar screen as long as they could - and they did it all
the way mostly through December.
Actually, I'm prepared to support HRC, but some of you
Hillary-Bros. make it a pretty unappetizing prospect.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)If some believe Putin interfering in our election is of no moment there is nothing I can do to disabuse them of that notion.
FairWinds
(1,717 posts)Ask the Chileans, Brazilians, Aussies, New Zealanders,
Greeks, Italians . .
I could go on and on.
And I did not say that a possible Putin role was of "no moment" - I wrote that
he may have "misbehaved"
I read the New York Times this morning - like you, they focused on
the POSSIBLE, SPECULATIVE Russian role, and all but ignored what
the DNC actually did . .
BTW, I've been an active Dem for 45 years.
How about you?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Ask the Chileans, Brazilians, Aussies, New Zealanders,
Greeks, Italians . .
I could go on and on.
I know you aren't trying to exonerate Russia by saying the US government acted badly in the past.
Putin is putting his thumb on the scale for his pal Donald Trump and it's an abomination.
BTW, I've been an active Dem for 45 years.
How about you?
Longer than that , pardner. I came out of the womb that way.
FairWinds
(1,717 posts)You wrote, ". . I know you aren't trying to exonerate Russia by saying the US government acted badly in the past."
No, but I am saying that hyper-nationalistic USAeans get all hot & bothered by other countries'
malfeasance, but tend to ignore it when the US does the same thing.
I excuse none of it - meddling in other countries electoral processes is wrong, no matter who does it.
And it is not really "in the past." We're talking about the last several years . .
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)But it is human nature to gravitate to someone you know over someone you don't. That is why most jobs are filled before the openings are even published. Everybody knows somebody who can do the job.
If the accounts are true Putin is trying to saddle us with Trump. That is messed up on so many levels.
Oh, of course I don't think we should meddle in other nation's elections either.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Can I say "Lock him up"
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DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Everything else is commentary !!!
FighttheFuture
(1,313 posts)The gave whomever enabled this leak the loaded gun to shot themselves with.
I am all for this sunlight. The DEM party needs to be cleaned up.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Trump wants to ban Muslims from coming to America and kick out the Mexicans who are already here. He wants to torture terrorists and kill their families. He says he prefers Jewish accountants over black ones because the former are naturally better with money and the latter are naturally lazy. He calls women pigs and worse. He fawns over dictators like Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong-Un...
To put it in idiomatic English that is some fucked up shit.
Anybody who distracts me from defeating Donald Trump at the ballot box is my mortal enemy and it is my fervent desire I am his or her's.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)They weren't obligated to pretend that the primary was a 50/50 race where both sides had an equal chance of winning. And they weren't obligated to pretend, even in private, that they didn't have a candidate they preferred.
Hekate
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workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)American equivalent of Putin. They are soulmates for sure!
Shit Putin hacked into the DNC for Trump and the republicans benefit already!