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Zynx

(21,328 posts)
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:45 PM Jul 2016

I'm going to be blunt. If one adopts a course of action that elects a fascist, they're not liberal.

This dead-ender mentality from the Bernie or Bust people, who are disregarding the advice of the leader who they put so much faith behind, will elect Trump if it is continued. The Republicans are basically united. We don't have the luxury of not being united.

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I'm going to be blunt. If one adopts a course of action that elects a fascist, they're not liberal. (Original Post) Zynx Jul 2016 OP
It's the country that can't afford it... tallahasseedem Jul 2016 #1
ONLY if the far left joins with the far right Hortensis Jul 2016 #39
But....but....Jonah Goldberg... MynameisBlarney Jul 2016 #54
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #2
The voters made their decision. Zynx Jul 2016 #4
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #30
Only crazy people think Clinton stole the primary voting via election fraud. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #33
I never said Clinton stole it...C'mon man Jack Bone Jul 2016 #37
there has never been a single piece of evidence showing geek tragedy Jul 2016 #40
Yes, there was ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #66
There was one malfunctioning touchscreen oberliner Jul 2016 #73
Oh ... I didn't hear about that one ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #81
Yes, I remember that. Didn't hear about the fact it was a phony claim. So stupid. Fla Dem Jul 2016 #108
It would have gone unchallenged; but for, the DUer ... 1StrongBlackMan Jul 2016 #113
No. The stepping on the scales by DWS and some members of the DNC, John Poet Jul 2016 #122
New York, California, Pennsylvania, Maryland, New Jersey all voted deep into geek tragedy Jul 2016 #126
Then enjoy President Trump Soxfan58 Jul 2016 #41
You're implying Charles Bukowski Jul 2016 #61
Are people seriously thinking that Hilary committed voter fraud? SummerSnow Jul 2016 #82
Bernie said she won fair and square. Is Bernie a liar? No. emulatorloo Jul 2016 #56
If that is true, then why blame a few Sanders supports? pangaia Jul 2016 #59
No, we're not overturning the will of the Democratic voters, Maven Jul 2016 #7
LOL I love you guys HerbChestnut Jul 2016 #8
Love you too! Maven Jul 2016 #9
This is a great step forward for party unity genna Jul 2016 #42
You need to back off this DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #10
And you actually believe that Bernie could win the GE? glennward Jul 2016 #11
I believe either Clinton or Sanders could win the GE. David__77 Jul 2016 #27
You overestimate yourselves in the minds of the voters. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #12
Please read the TOS: geek tragedy Jul 2016 #22
Exactly... StraightRazor Jul 2016 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author geek tragedy Jul 2016 #29
Well said. nt Cali_Democrat Jul 2016 #38
Exactly. +1000. Hortensis Jul 2016 #43
Agree + 1 million. Justice Jul 2016 #77
Counterpoint. PoliticalMalcontent Jul 2016 #115
or you get a leftwing Trump as the nominee. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #116
I don't know, man. PoliticalMalcontent Jul 2016 #128
have a good day too--stay dry and cool--nasty weather out east today nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #130
Then they're not Democrats, they're facists Dem2 Jul 2016 #112
So we should just give in to their childish and babyish behavior? Just because their guy lost? Peigan68 Jul 2016 #26
So, DON'T give in. Don't get swept up by their flaming. Hortensis Jul 2016 #45
And you'd have a tough time one_voice Jul 2016 #69
Hillary is the nominee. This is the real world as Bernie tried to say over rude booing "supporters" we can do it Jul 2016 #96
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #111
You are re-fighting the primary Democat Jul 2016 #114
Please self-delete that garbage. Lord Magus Jul 2016 #123
PRECISELY. Jill Stein is a FUCKING FASCIST!!! MohRokTah Jul 2016 #3
Easy there, Tiger. Don't get all tied up in a knot... HerbChestnut Jul 2016 #5
Whoa, Nelli....get up on the wrong side of the bed this morning? pangaia Jul 2016 #67
That's an odd justification predicated on the post hoc ergo prompter hoc fallacy. LanternWaste Jul 2016 #6
It would appear that their actions and words are at odds, if they adopt that course. Zynx Jul 2016 #17
That's OK dude /dudette. If Trump is elected AND takes the Hitler path......... socialist_n_TN Jul 2016 #46
I never see Trump mention godless communism. It doesn't exist if it ever did. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2016 #58
That is historically inaccurate. Hitler did NOT go after Jews first...... socialist_n_TN Jul 2016 #133
All those NSA databases and lists compiled by the spooks will prove very useful to KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #63
It is "post hoc ergo propter hoc." Not "prompter" hoc. I see this mistake anneboleyn Jul 2016 #57
Thank you (I'm guilty too - but no more!). nt jonno99 Jul 2016 #84
spell check? AlbertCat Jul 2016 #85
But,Hillary isn't liberal.. coco77 Jul 2016 #13
Oh please. JTFrog Jul 2016 #14
Is she? coco77 Jul 2016 #16
Stupid question. JTFrog Jul 2016 #18
Unequivocally so, yes. Zynx Jul 2016 #19
Is she? AlbertCat Jul 2016 #87
Look at her policy positions and try again. Also, talk to Republicans and see what they think. Zynx Jul 2016 #15
They just hate her. coco77 Jul 2016 #20
Well, basically all Democrats these days are liberals. Zynx Jul 2016 #21
There is much I could say but.. coco77 Jul 2016 #23
How would you define a liberal? Zynx Jul 2016 #25
I don't want to go to.. coco77 Jul 2016 #32
Drop the passive aggressive attacks on DU and DU'ers emulatorloo Jul 2016 #70
I made a direct challenge. I think you owe an answer. Zynx Jul 2016 #131
Do you hate her? Renew Deal Jul 2016 #74
She's a democrat zenabby Jul 2016 #34
Our nominee is a democrat because they won the Democratic nomination genna Jul 2016 #48
Neither is anyone that doesn't vote for her in November Renew Deal Jul 2016 #78
She's always been left of center, & becoming more lib on many issues Panich52 Jul 2016 #93
Pull a Frozen and Let it Go! redstatebluegirl Jul 2016 #95
Bernie ot bust = Helping Trump. hrmjustin Jul 2016 #28
Bernoe ot bust = Helping Trump. AlbertCat Jul 2016 #89
The Republicans are not united. merrily Jul 2016 #31
THIS!! paparush Jul 2016 #52
Was for Bernie, now for Hillary PasadenaTrudy Jul 2016 #35
+1000 Blue_Tires Jul 2016 #36
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This message was self-deleted by its author geek tragedy Jul 2016 #47
only the Alex Jones types think Clinton cheated her way to the nomination. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #49
No it's the part where Demobrat Jul 2016 #50
You're peddling crazy talk in order to smear the Democratic geek tragedy Jul 2016 #53
Bashing the Democratic nominee merits a ban. Lord Magus Jul 2016 #106
And supporting someone who lost the primary and opposing the candidate who did .... Wounded Bear Jul 2016 #75
Putting labels on our Democratic nominee will not help your cause Renew Deal Jul 2016 #76
+1 Phlem Jul 2016 #102
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #51
Ah, but you DO have to eat it Demobrat Jul 2016 #86
Yep Press Virginia Jul 2016 #99
This is not about DWS we can do it Jul 2016 #100
Completely and totally from day 1, even before EW and Bernie. Phlem Jul 2016 #103
+1 Marr Jul 2016 #109
I preferred Bernie get the red out Jul 2016 #55
And Bernie now supports Hillary. Blue Idaho Jul 2016 #65
Fear in politics. PoliticalMalcontent Jul 2016 #119
The movement is being exagerated by the media.... Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2016 #60
Obvious by the way they continually bait Bernie. nt 63splitwindow Jul 2016 #64
And by how they seek out the worst of the "Bernie-or-busters" to interview... Wounded Bear Jul 2016 #79
The movement is being exagerated by the media.... AlbertCat Jul 2016 #83
Seems half of the Hillary supporters here have bought that bridge. Spitfire of ATJ Jul 2016 #97
I am voting for Hillary, but anoNY42 Jul 2016 #62
True, but not to worry, about 8% of Dems defect every time whatthehey Jul 2016 #68
Agreed bekkilyn Jul 2016 #71
Nicely said. we can do it Jul 2016 #101
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #72
Another accusatory attack of Bernie supporters AlbertCat Jul 2016 #80
if there were not a coronation Pharaoh Jul 2016 #88
They never had any faith in him. Gman Jul 2016 #90
I supported Bernie but from the beginning my intention was to vote for the Democratic nominee. drm604 Jul 2016 #91
Can we just be honest for a moment? Marr Jul 2016 #92
Wish I could rec this a thousand times. we can do it Jul 2016 #94
Cut your nose off to spite your face. keithbvadu2 Jul 2016 #98
Thanks for your opinion. PoliticalMalcontent Jul 2016 #104
If one adopts a passive aggressive attitude to the degree that it sours people on your candidate? Zen Democrat Jul 2016 #105
K & R SunSeeker Jul 2016 #107
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #110
Getting a lot more votes is not fraudulent means. Lord Magus Jul 2016 #120
Not being impartial, means you are advocating for a particular candidate, thus resulting in more grahamhgreen Jul 2016 #125
They never have gone down any "anti-progressive route." Lord Magus Jul 2016 #127
Fraud? Give me a break. There wasn't any damn fraud. Zynx Jul 2016 #132
How about Urchin Jul 2016 #117
Better preach that to DWS and the DNC, John Poet Jul 2016 #118
How about we stop with the lies about the DNC being "corrupt." Lord Magus Jul 2016 #121
Secret favoritism to boost one candidate, while they claim to everyone's face John Poet Jul 2016 #124
No, it's still bullshit. Lord Magus Jul 2016 #129
Calling even the hardest hard core Bernista a fascist shows historical naivete on your part Bucky Jul 2016 #134

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
39. ONLY if the far left joins with the far right
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:36 PM
Jul 2016

would they have enough strength to be threatening. And Zynx is correct.

Liberals are THE anti-fascists.

Fascism is intrinsically right wing AND to a lesser degree left-wing extremist.

Not all on the left are liberals, as we see.

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geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
33. Only crazy people think Clinton stole the primary voting via election fraud.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:25 PM
Jul 2016

There isn't a single person who is sane who believes that.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
40. there has never been a single piece of evidence showing
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:37 PM
Jul 2016

that Clinton did not win a majority of primary votes.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
66. Yes, there was ...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:53 PM
Jul 2016

remember the facebook screen shots posted to DU (multiple times) showing the "voter" touching the screen for a certain candidate and the machine registering a different candidate?

We won't let the fact that the county that the "voter" had his vote "flipped" doesn't use touch screen machines, deter the narrative.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
73. There was one malfunctioning touchscreen
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:03 PM
Jul 2016

And it did not flip the votes to Hillary but to a lesser known candidate.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
81. Oh ... I didn't hear about that one ...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:10 PM
Jul 2016

I just recall the gleeful "definitive proof" posts on DU showing the guy having his vote "flipped". It was posted early one morning ... immediately hit the Trending page, and hit the Greatest Thread page by noon.

Then, someone noticed an indication of the county of the alleged "flipped vote" and posted a link to the states' (or county) election page, showing the county did not use touch screens.

That tamped down the recs ... until the post was re-posted the next day.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
113. It would have gone unchallenged; but for, the DUer ...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:29 PM
Jul 2016

noticed the County Seal for the County she lived in (or was familiar with). The internet can be a dangerous place for those that really want to believe something ... because they WILL find "proof" of that thing.

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
122. No. The stepping on the scales by DWS and some members of the DNC,
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:43 PM
Jul 2016

came well before anyone had a chance to vote-- all while they vehemently denied it was going on. With the new email leak, their pants are all fully down.

Bernie's supporters were RIGHT about that much. At this point it's impossible to say whether that would have made the difference, but it certainly helped Hillary's margin.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
126. New York, California, Pennsylvania, Maryland, New Jersey all voted deep into
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:49 PM
Jul 2016

the primary contest, when Sanders had more money to spend than Clinton.

Florida, Ohio, North Carolina all voted a month after Sanders had his breakthrough win in NH.

The demographic trends in the voting were virtually identical at the end of the campaign as they were in the beginning.

 

Charles Bukowski

(1,132 posts)
61. You're implying
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:51 PM
Jul 2016

she stole an election she won by decisively 3.7 million votes. Don't play coy.

The primaries were never really close--this wasn't the nailbiter 2008 was. Why can't the hardcore Bernie fanatics accept this?

SummerSnow

(12,608 posts)
82. Are people seriously thinking that Hilary committed voter fraud?
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:12 PM
Jul 2016

Bernie supporters cannot believe this. Sanders even know this

Maven

(10,533 posts)
7. No, we're not overturning the will of the Democratic voters,
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:53 PM
Jul 2016

no matter how much you stomp your feet and cry like a 2 year old to get what you want.

genna

(1,945 posts)
42. This is a great step forward for party unity
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:37 PM
Jul 2016

Instead of dealing with the underlying emotion and draining the upset by addressing the issue, just say you are a 2 year old and I expect you to side with my point of view with no discussion/persuasion/resolution.

We know where we are going if this mantra continues.

DemonGoddess

(4,640 posts)
10. You need to back off this
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:59 PM
Jul 2016

"don't nominate Hillary" bullshit. She won, she's the nominee, as she will be after the roll call as well.

David__77

(23,219 posts)
27. I believe either Clinton or Sanders could win the GE.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:16 PM
Jul 2016

I also think that it's highly speculative thinking, as Clinton has the support of a majority of convention delegates.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
22. Please read the TOS:
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:11 PM
Jul 2016
Don't keep fighting the last Democratic presidential primary
Regardless of whether you supported a winning candidate or a losing candidate, do not prolong the agony of the last Democratic presidential primary by continuing to pick fights, place blame, tear down former primary candidates, bait former supporters, or do anything else to pour salt on old wounds.

Why we have this rule: Most of our members want this to be forward-looking, friendly community that is focused on creating a better future for our country. Continuing to rehash old fights that have already been resolved is divisive and counter-productive.


This is pretty clear.

It is delusional to suggest that anyone but Clinton will be, or should be, the Democratic nominee at this point.
 

StraightRazor

(260 posts)
24. Exactly...
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:14 PM
Jul 2016

I love that it's Bernie's fault that Hillary can't get his supporters to back her.

Maybe the problem isn't Bernie after all, maybe it's Hillary. She lost to Obama in 2008 so it stands to reason that there are quite a few Democrats who simply don't think she is the best choice for our country.

But those people are automatically 'trying' to get Trump elected and aren't Liberal. Right.

Response to StraightRazor (Reply #24)

115. Counterpoint.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:29 PM
Jul 2016

If we had a open primaries more independents would be allowed to pick candidates, leading to more electable candidates in general.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
116. or you get a leftwing Trump as the nominee.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:31 PM
Jul 2016

Sanders--just to be clear--is not a leftwing Trump. He's a responsible Senator who cares deeply about the country.

But taking one look at the crazies in Philly--inside and outside the convention site--and it's clear that there is an appetite on the loony left for a leftwing Trump. the people who now think Sanders is a sellout.

128. I don't know, man.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:54 PM
Jul 2016

It seems to me that hyper-partisanship is a symptom of party affiliation. In the middle, those independents cover such a wide range on the political spectrum. The problem with politics today, in my opinion, is that everyone in the middle seems to get told their opinions don't matter. You've got to conform to the two party system, or wait until general elections to cast your vote. I believe very deeply that is unfair at it's very core.

Back to independents though. While you've got plenty of radicals, you've got plenty of moderates to act as a counter-balance against extremes on either side.

My thinking on that could be flawed, but I've seen the craziness of the two-party system, and I see how ugly it is. Politicians take advantage of the system. They pit roughly two ideologies against each other and try to keep other political groups (and the ideas the come with them) from joining the crowd.

My thought process is that perhaps making primaries open would be one way to protect citizens against the near monopoly of the two-party system, or at least keep demagogues out.

Like, would the tea-party have gained as much traction as it did if primaries were open?

This is not meant to be a sharp, stinging criticism. Just some thoughts. Have a great day.

Dem2

(8,166 posts)
112. Then they're not Democrats, they're facists
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:19 PM
Jul 2016

If a "Democrat" lets a fascist win to make a point, then maybe that person is a fascist and not a Democrat?

Peigan68

(137 posts)
26. So we should just give in to their childish and babyish behavior? Just because their guy lost?
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:16 PM
Jul 2016

NO F**KING WAY!!!!

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
45. So, DON'T give in. Don't get swept up by their flaming.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:40 PM
Jul 2016

Smile, relax. Remember, your candidate won.

one_voice

(20,043 posts)
69. And you'd have a tough time
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:56 PM
Jul 2016

defeating Trump without Hillary supporters. Don't act you wouldn't need them.

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Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
123. Please self-delete that garbage.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:46 PM
Jul 2016

We are not going overturn the choice of the voters just because you would've preferred a different outcome.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
6. That's an odd justification predicated on the post hoc ergo prompter hoc fallacy.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 01:52 PM
Jul 2016

That's an odd justification predicated on the post hoc ergo prompter hoc fallacy. If one adopts a liberal platform, adheres to that liberal platform, and whose conviction are liberal, then they are, by its very definition, liberal.

Regardless of how critical unity may be during an election cycle, unity is not in fact, part and parcel of a liberal philosophy.

You call it blunt. As a Clinton supporter from day one, I call it irrational bias.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
17. It would appear that their actions and words are at odds, if they adopt that course.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:08 PM
Jul 2016

If they value liberalism, truly value liberalism, contributing to its defeat and possible eradication at the hands of a fascist seems to be an odd thing to do. I would submit that they don't actually value it.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
46. That's OK dude /dudette. If Trump is elected AND takes the Hitler path.........
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:41 PM
Jul 2016

liberals will have a LONG time to wait until it reaches them. He'll go after the trade unions, the socialists and the communists first. WELL before he'll go after you liberals. In fact, he'll convince MOST liberals to support him by appealing to their patriotism and support of capitalism from the "Godless Communists" he's protecting the country from.

He won't even go after the ethnic minorities before he goes after the commies. We're always first to fall, so y'all have got plenty of time to make your peace with him.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,705 posts)
58. I never see Trump mention godless communism. It doesn't exist if it ever did.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:49 PM
Jul 2016

I see him mention Mexicans, Muslims and Asians as the source of our problems, in that order.


If you are a white guy or gal he will be coming after you last.


Funny, you invoke Hitler. He came after the Jews first. It was a lot easier to change your party affiliation than your religion. In the current instance my Mexican and Muslim brothers and sisters can not easily change who they are either.

socialist_n_TN

(11,481 posts)
133. That is historically inaccurate. Hitler did NOT go after Jews first......
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 06:28 PM
Jul 2016

He USED anti-Semitism to gain support and power, but the FIRST people he arrested were the trade unionists, communists, and the socialists. In fact, the Reichstag fire which happened a few months after his inauguration was blamed on "communists" and then used as an excuse to destroy the organized resistance in the working class by suspending democratic rights and arresting communists, socialists, and trade unionists.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
63. All those NSA databases and lists compiled by the spooks will prove very useful to
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:53 PM
Jul 2016

Herr Trump.

All responsible leftists must hope for the best, but plan for the worst. I know I am.

anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
57. It is "post hoc ergo propter hoc." Not "prompter" hoc. I see this mistake
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:49 PM
Jul 2016

frequently on websites, and as someone who studied Latin, it drives me nuts.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
15. Look at her policy positions and try again. Also, talk to Republicans and see what they think.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:06 PM
Jul 2016
 

coco77

(1,327 posts)
20. They just hate her.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:08 PM
Jul 2016

They have been hating her for decades,every since the baking cookie remark,so to RepubliCONS think all Dems are liberal.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
21. Well, basically all Democrats these days are liberals.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:10 PM
Jul 2016

They vary in their intensity from one to the next, but they are almost all liberals. Obama's a liberal, Biden's a liberal, Hillary's a liberal, etc.

 

coco77

(1,327 posts)
23. There is much I could say but..
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:13 PM
Jul 2016

I will be sent to the jury room because many don't like to hear the facts we can't discuss things like we could in the past. I'm done.

 

coco77

(1,327 posts)
32. I don't want to go to..
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:23 PM
Jul 2016

Du jail so I'm done. Opinion can't be expressed without being called a troll or being told you are against Democrats because you don't agree about some issues. I will say this Hillary is not one.

emulatorloo

(43,979 posts)
70. Drop the passive aggressive attacks on DU and DU'ers
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:57 PM
Jul 2016

and that you are being victimized.

If you want to peddle the false meme that "Hillary is a Republican" you are going to get pushback. Compare her ratings by liberal groups w genuine Republicans and you'll see the meme is bullshit. Note that Bernie and HRC voted the same way the majority of times when they were in the Senate. Note that Bernie and Hillary are aligned in their policy positions.

She's no more a Republican than Bernie is a republican. Is she more conservative than I am on some issues. Yes. Is she a Republican by any objective criteria. Fuck no.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
131. I made a direct challenge. I think you owe an answer.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 05:17 PM
Jul 2016

By pretty much any conventional definition or liberal, Hillary Clinton is one. She believes in equality and not just equality of opportunity. She believes in equality, as close is as practicable, of result as well. Her record overwhelmingly reflects that.

zenabby

(364 posts)
34. She's a democrat
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:26 PM
Jul 2016

It's not liberal party, it's democratic party. She does not have to confirm to every single person's version of what liberal means.

genna

(1,945 posts)
48. Our nominee is a democrat because they won the Democratic nomination
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:43 PM
Jul 2016

You are doing a word salad on what it means to be a democrat.

Ted Kennedy was a Democrat and is politcs/policies did not line up with Bill Clinton. I doubt anyone would throw him out of the party because he was a liberal Democrat.

Unity means accepting differences and realizing that the base is shifting what being a Democrat means not because their guy lost but because the younger voters will determine the future of the party.

Panich52

(5,829 posts)
93. She's always been left of center, & becoming more lib on many issues
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:26 PM
Jul 2016

HRC has always been lib on number of social issues and has evinced willingness to listen & respond positively. Case point: TPP; she's now proclaiming opposition to it & convinced Kaine to follow suit.

And she's a flaming socialist compared to GOP's fascist nominee.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
89. Bernoe ot bust = Helping Trump.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:20 PM
Jul 2016

Indeed.

Good thing "Bernoe ot bust" doesn't mean anything.


Otherwise, only those actually helping Trump are actually helping Trump.

paparush

(7,964 posts)
52. THIS!!
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:45 PM
Jul 2016

We haven't seen this level of discord in years. A UNITED Republican party would have seen GWB, Romney, and McCain at the Convention. They were NOWHERE to be seen. The RNC was described as the darkest, most dour nominating event, ever.

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geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
49. only the Alex Jones types think Clinton cheated her way to the nomination.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:44 PM
Jul 2016

Say hi to Susan Sarandon and the crowd at infowars for us!

Demobrat

(8,916 posts)
50. No it's the part where
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:44 PM
Jul 2016

Clinton supporters call me names and try to get me banned.

On edit: See above.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
53. You're peddling crazy talk in order to smear the Democratic
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:46 PM
Jul 2016

nominee and help Donald Trump get elected.

De facto allies of Donald Trump have no place here.

What do you expect when you violate several site rules in the process of trying to help defeat the Democratic nominee?

We know the difference between friends and foes.

Feel free to go to a Green Party or alt-right forum where your views are more welcome. Donald Trump is looking for your vote and it sounds like he got it.

Lord Magus

(1,999 posts)
106. Bashing the Democratic nominee merits a ban.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:51 PM
Jul 2016

Hillary is not in any way a "cheater" so quit peddling those smears.

Wounded Bear

(58,440 posts)
75. And supporting someone who lost the primary and opposing the candidate who did ....
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:07 PM
Jul 2016

doesn't help our cause.

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get the red out

(13,459 posts)
55. I preferred Bernie
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:47 PM
Jul 2016

But I will run to the polls to vote for Hillary in the GE. I can't imagine what might happen to this country if she isn't elected.

Blue Idaho

(4,988 posts)
65. And Bernie now supports Hillary.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:53 PM
Jul 2016

Lost in much of this is Bernies request that his followers work to elect Sec. Clinton and Gov. Kane. He knows what is at stake and he's on her side. You know what's at stake and so do I. We all need to work to stop Trump.

Let's go elect a Democrat.

119. Fear in politics.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:38 PM
Jul 2016

It's so interesting how fear has played such a big part of politics over the years. I'm not sure how it was in the past... Hitler rose to power using fear tactics and scapegoating... But it seems to be a really broken system when it's not so much about voting for what you believe in but rather voting because the other guy scares the bejesus out of you. I suppose there's always some shade of fear in elections (I.E. 'Obama is a Muslim', Palin being a heartbeat from the presidency, 'They're gonna take your guns!', terrorism, etc.). Seems REALLY ramped-up this time around though.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
83. The movement is being exagerated by the media....
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:12 PM
Jul 2016

Yes. They want it to seem the Dems are as scattered as the GOP. CNN has played over and over and over and over that clip of Sanders' supporters expressing their frustration at having to vote for Hillary as if it were some kind of declaration that all those Dems are actually gonna vote FOR Trump.

Ridiculous.

 

anoNY42

(670 posts)
62. I am voting for Hillary, but
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:51 PM
Jul 2016

some folks out there could easily point out that nominating Hillary is itself an action that might help "elect[] a fascist". Looking at Hillary's popularity numbers, some people could conclude that her nomination made it more likely we would get a President Trump.

I am not saying those people would be right, and I am not saying that Hillary deserves her poor popularity numbers....

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
68. True, but not to worry, about 8% of Dems defect every time
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:54 PM
Jul 2016

And many of his more ermmm...implacable supporters never were and never will be Democrats. What we are seeing now is some unfortunately public blowback from a few immature deadenders living out a fantasy. It will pass before any non-junkies pay much attention.

bekkilyn

(454 posts)
71. Agreed
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 02:57 PM
Jul 2016

Many Bernie or Bust folks are young white males who have fewer stakes in the election and can afford to be idealistic at the cost of real pain and suffering of the millions of people who were not so lucky to have been born privileged. I have supported Bernie Sanders since before he decided to run for President and I STILL support him because I believe in his goals and vision. If Hillary is the person who carries many of those goals forward, then so be it. It's still progress. People who would vote for someone like Trump who will move NONE of those goals forward, and cause great harm to the people in this country, the country itself, and our allies vs. a person who will at least try to move SOME of those goals forward are neither liberal nor progressive. Hillary may not be the perfect candidate, but she's what we've got. Let's work together with it.

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AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
80. Another accusatory attack of Bernie supporters
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:09 PM
Jul 2016

That'll get 'em on your side.... if they can stay awake thru another "you'd BETTER vote like I tell you" post.

 

Pharaoh

(8,209 posts)
88. if there were not a coronation
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:19 PM
Jul 2016

Before the voting started we would not be in this situation right now.

drm604

(16,230 posts)
91. I supported Bernie but from the beginning my intention was to vote for the Democratic nominee.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:24 PM
Jul 2016

Hillary is the nominee and I'm satisfied with that. I am getting really fed up with some of my fellow Bernie supporters. I can kinda sorta understand 20-somethings - youthful idealism and all that - but the 40 and 50 plus group have no excuse. They should recognize reality and act accordingly.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
92. Can we just be honest for a moment?
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:24 PM
Jul 2016

Sanders attracted a lot of people who were sick of rigged games and establishment politics. It's a bit absurd to expect them to anxiously support someone as establishment as Hillary Clinton, when something like this DWS scandal has been revealed.

It was their revulsion with exactly this sort of thing that motivated them to get involved in the first place. This is what they were telling you all through the primary season. But here we are. You can't really blame them now.

keithbvadu2

(36,364 posts)
98. Cut your nose off to spite your face.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:33 PM
Jul 2016

My way or the highway.

The same single minded attitude of the tea party types.

No compromise. No shades of gray.

104. Thanks for your opinion.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:44 PM
Jul 2016

You know what would be great? If people would stop worrying about telling people who to vote for. 99.99% of people here are going to vote for Clinton, probably, but all of this arm twisting is really unflattering.

Nobody likes being told what to do, much less being beat over the head with it day after day.

I know you have your opinion on what makes a good liberal, but I view it as a false equivalency. If someone votes for a liberal, then they ARE a liberal, regardless of whether they vote within the constructs of a two-party system or not.

That being said, thanks for your opinion, I'm just extremely tired of these type of threads.

Yes, Trump is a terrible narracistic shit of a human being who shouldn't be anywhere near the presidency and the fact that he is says a lot about society. That being said, it is astounding to me how people here put on the rose-tinted glasses and ignore any of the flaws that Clinton has shown. Most people outside of the democratic party don't particularly like her, but they'll vote for her, because look at the other option.

In closing, I'd like to reiterate my strong desire to see the death of all dumb arm-twisting threads on a website where everyone is voting for Clinton (despite her flaws) anyway.

Zen Democrat

(5,901 posts)
105. If one adopts a passive aggressive attitude to the degree that it sours people on your candidate?
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 03:46 PM
Jul 2016

Are you helping or hurting?

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grahamhgreen

(15,741 posts)
125. Not being impartial, means you are advocating for a particular candidate, thus resulting in more
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:48 PM
Jul 2016

votes.

The further the Hillary camp goes down the anti-progressive route, the harder it is for me to convince people to vote for her.

You are handing trump the election, in my view, this could be considered fascist as well.

Zynx

(21,328 posts)
132. Fraud? Give me a break. There wasn't any damn fraud.
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 05:32 PM
Jul 2016

Bernie lost fair and square. And your post has been alerted. You should stop fighting the damn primary. Give it up for God's sake.

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
118. Better preach that to DWS and the DNC,
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:37 PM
Jul 2016

because it would even more aptly apply to them, if we end up losing this election to Trump partly because of their corrupt shenanigans....


"If one adopts a course of action that elects a fascist, they're not liberal."

 

John Poet

(2,510 posts)
124. Secret favoritism to boost one candidate, while they claim to everyone's face
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 04:48 PM
Jul 2016

that it is not happening at all?

In my view, that's "corrupt". There' aren't any "lies" on my side of it,
but there were plenty coming from the DNC,
when they claimed to be always acting "neutrally".

Maybe you'd prefer I use a different word, like "dirty" or "dishonest".

OK, DWS and many members of the DNC,
were "dirty" and "dishonest".


That work better for you?



Bucky

(53,795 posts)
134. Calling even the hardest hard core Bernista a fascist shows historical naivete on your part
Mon Jul 25, 2016, 06:41 PM
Jul 2016

C'mon, these folks gotta blow off some steam. The country's angry and The Donald's stoking the fires. Give the process a little more patience. I figure by Wednesday we'll see what real unity looks like. And it won't look like conformity; it'll look like shared purpose.

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