They should just have waited until AFTER Philly to announce DWS' place in the campaign.

[Ken Burch]

Why couldn't they let that ride for another four days? What harm would it have done?

It's beginning to look as though the announcement was made Sunday, a day when there was no reason to make it, just to provoke something on the floor.

[geek tragedy]

1. probably because they needed to dangle that to DWS to get her ass out of the chair nt

[Ken Burch]

13. I get that. But the announcement could still have been held off until after the convention.

It's not as though she'd only have taken the figurehead position if it was announced the day the delegates arrived.

I don't condone the reaction of the Sanders delegates who did boo...but this is just bad politics.

It could have kept until Friday.

[geek tragedy]

23. I think DWS forced their hand. She's turning out to have been even worse than feared nt

[Ken Burch]

38. You're saying you think DWS insisted on the timing of the announcement? That's disturbing

That suggests that she wouldn't go unless she got to stir up shit one last time.

If you are right(and I have no reason to doubt you), she just stabbed her own preferred candidate in the back.

[geek tragedy]

40. excessive pride is a vice nt

[glennward]

2. She wasn't hired into anything. She was named..

[Ken Burch]

6. named, then.

[apcalc]

3. Drop it.

[David__77]

10. Why?

...

[JI7]

4. because that certainly justified booing black speakers

talking about civil rights

[Ken Burch]

8. I didn't say that it did. I don't condone the booing of Rep. Cummings. n/t.

[JI7]

15. reminds me of trump supporters. why should we do things to make racists happy ?

[Ken Burch]

43. While the booing of Rep. Cummings was wrong, it was not racist.

The issue(and I agree that it wasn't HIS fault...Cummings was not being allowed to work under his own free will)was the neutrality about TPP in the platform. They'd have booed a white platform committee chair, too.

This isn't about race, or gender, or anything pertaining to identity.

[JI7]

45. he was talking about civil rights which they showed they have no concern for

[Ken Burch]

49. Their issue was TPP. They were inappropriate, but they weren't indifferent to racism.

The Clinton campaign should never had spread the meme that it's ONLY possible to fight racism if you DON'T work for economic justice.

They created that false division(prior to this year, economic justice and social justice advocates had always collaborated and worked together, and many people worked equally hard for both).

[JI7]

51. don't blame others for the actions of racists

Which these were .

[elleng]

5. Why, because they're so thoughtful and concerned, Ken?

Seems to me they're totally incompetent!

[sufrommich]

7. She wasn't hired by the Clinton campaign and no,no one is trying

to "provoke" Bernie supporters.

[Ken Burch]

11. Why couldn't they have just waited until next week is what I'm asking?

They knew how this would read to some people.

[sufrommich]

16. They know that no matter what they do,the BoBs will find

a reason to be outraged and vow not to vote for her. Nothing would make me happier than to see the Clinton campaign start ignoring the temper tantrums ,nothing is going to be enough.

[Ken Burch]

24. Not true. The overwheming majority of Sanders people have come on board.

Nothing would have been lost if the announcement had been held until Friday.

[msongs]

9. maybe they did it just for your benefit. btw her position is honorary ie worth nothing nt

[David__77]

12. The intention of honorary positions is to honor someone, I believe.

So the Clinton campaign, I think, intended to honor Schultz at this time.

[avaistheone1]

17. Given what we now know DWS should not be honored.

Isn't that obvious enough at this point?

[Ken Burch]

18. I didn't say they shouldn't have given her the honorary position.

Just that the announcement should have been held off until Friday. What harm would have come of waiting four days?

It's not like she was only going to leave if it was announced the day the delegates showed up.

I want HRC to win in the fall. What I'm saying is, why piss off voters HRC has to have when there is no need to do that?

[SaschaHM]

14. This is your 3rd post trying to justify the actions of those brats on the floor.

Stop. It's transparent.

[Ken Burch]

21. I said I don't condone it.

It's not justification to point out that there was a needless provocation to the stupid actions.

The Clinton-Kaine campaign had nothing to lose by holding off on the announcement until the delegates went home.

[uponit7771]

19. Cause that would've made them NOT boo most of the black speakers on stage? REALLY?!?

[Ken Burch]

22. I don't condone the booing...but it might have reduced the tensions in the room.

What harm would have come of not announcing it until Friday?

[uponit7771]

25. More appeasment to people who's intentions are only fedd by appeasing them instead of telling them

... to fuck of and keep out.

Fuck em... I'm disgusted, most of the black speakers were boo'd... fuck em

[sufrommich]

27. +1000. nt

[Ken Burch]

30. Not appeasement. Just common sense.

When you're in a national convention, you don't make big announcements that you know will set people off.

It's fine to appoint DWS to the title she will have...I'm just saying they should have held off the announcement until Friday.

Those who insisted on announcing it the day the delegates showed up knew they were rubbing salt in a wound.

Four days later and it wouldn't have mattered.

I still think we can pull this together and will work to do so.

[uponit7771]

33. Ken, that's the point... ANYTHING sets these people off. Their conduct is NOT progressive at all...

... and they're acting insatiable ... Turner bout said that during an interview with Maddow.

Kinda hard to see this objectively right now, I'll hold on but some of this shit is disgusting

[Ken Burch]

36. I agree that the booing shouldn't have happened.

My basic take on any situation like this is, don't do anything that could rile people up.

I'd be saying the same thing if Bernie was about to be nominated and had announced that Dr. West was going to be the honorary chair of HIS fall campaign.

[Lord Magus]

50. The "tensions" had nothing to do with DWS.

These people booing are simply racists and misogynists.

[Ken Burch]

52. Not Sanders delegates and not the Sanders campaign.

Those who booed were being immature...but they would have reacted exactly the same way to white speakers.

[Lord Magus]

54. Then why DIDN'T they?

Why was it only the black speakers who got booed?

[Ken Burch]

56. In Rep. Cummings case, it was over the TPP plank.

He was chair of the platform committee. They'd have booed a white platform committee chair who oversaw the same thing.

Hopefully, HRC will say something in her acceptance speech like this:

"I respect the fact that President Obama supports TPP. That is his position. If TPP has not been ratified at the time I am sworn in, it will be withdrawn".

No one but a few bazillionaires would mind.

[Hortensis]

20. Maybe because for any irritation at her mistakes

they still appreciate all her tremendous hard work and what she has done very right, because they appreciate what being the party's lightening rod has cost her, because a major concept their success is built on is "to have a friend, be a friend," and because they are the sort of brave and stalwart people who are happy to stand solid and help a friend in need.

Political realities may require them to act in the face of a witch-hunting mob, but neither of them is going to respect the mob.

[Ken Burch]

26. I could understand your loyalty if DWS had ever actually achieved anything in the job.

All she was good at was getting big donors.

She put the party on the side of corporations instead of the people.

She alienated millions of grassroots activists.

She led us to disaster in 2014.

Big donors are meaningless if you lose campaign workers and lose midterms.

[Hortensis]

42. I'm not loyal to her. I haven't read much about

her record in Florida and don't care much--that is her constituents' concern. But I have never, ever liked seeing people target a victim for their hostility, or even worse be sicced on a target, and move in with clubs. I'm against them and their behavior in my gut and on principle. That includes the press.

In this case, imo the signs are unmistakable, whatever she's done merely the excuse. Nobody cared a flip about the 9 presidential candidates whose candidacies were completely blocked so they wouldn't siphon off interest. She's really just a Democrat being maneuvered out of the way, maybe, in a very nasty way by an unscrupulous fellow Democrat political opponent for political reasons.

Btw, Democrats just don't do that to each other, another reason I forgot to suggest may be behind the support she's getting from the top of the party. Maybe it should have the been first one, I don't know.

[Agnosticsherbet]

28. Booing black speakers is so out of line that I find it impossible to take criticism of the former

head of the DNC seriously.

[Ken Burch]

32. I have said repeatedly that I don't condone the booing.

BTW, none of those speakers were being booed for their race or the topics of their speeches. They still should never have been booed, but it's important to be clear on that.

[Lord Magus]

53. Really, it's a complete coincidence that they only booed the black speakers?

Yeah right.

[Ken Burch]

55. I think it was just the platform committee chair.

Yes, I think it was coincidence.

The Sanders campaign never dismissed the need to fight racism, and we never stopped trying to get POC voters.

It's a myth that we thought we could get nominated on white votes alone. Nobody thought that.

[Lord Magus]

57. That doesn't mean no Sanders supporters could ever be racist.

I think it's clear from the actions today that some of them are.

[Ken Burch]

58. As, potentially, could be some Clinton supporters. Or anybody else if you think about it.

My point is that race was not what drove what happened today.

And the Clinton campaign should never have launched the meme that social justice and economic justice were separate and opposed causes...OR that economic justice was somehow a whites-only thing(which implies that POC, in addition to being affected by racism, AREN'T affected by corporate control of the economy and the concentration of wealth in the hands of a few).

In truth, economic justice and social justice advocates have worked together(and often been the SAME people)for generations.

[annavictorious]

29. Stop blaming the behavior of the trolls with credentials on this nonsense.

After all the booing of women and POC, everyone knows exactly what they're mad about.

[Ken Burch]

34. Nobody is mad that a woman was nominated and you know it.

It's only the right who insists the president has to be male and white.

[bigwillq]

31. DWS needed to go away ASAP

Like years ago.

[Ken Burch]

35. Yeah, and she is gone.

They were wrong to announce the figurehead appointment the day the delegates showed up...equally, it was wrong to boo people like Rep. Cummings.

None of this was HIS fault, and the anti-TPP language was kept out on HRC's orders. Cummings was blameless for that, and we gave the HRC people the visual of Sanders delegates booing a black man.

[NCTraveler]

37. Yeah. That would have done a lot. Lol

That isn't why these pieces of shit gave Cummings the treatment they did.

[Ken Burch]

44. They were wrong to boo the Congressman, but the issue was TPP, not race.

If you are on the left, you are antiracist. It's simply part of your DNA.

[NCTraveler]

47. You could have left out your "but"

and stopped short of excusing racist behavior. You make an absolute statement that they are on the left. You have zero proof. We are on the left. Clintons platform is on the left. These people you are excusing are dumb fucks.

Listen to what Cummings was talking about and then tell me what the issue was.

[Ken Burch]

63. It's not racist simply to boo a person who happens to be black.

They shouldn't have done it, but the issue was poor judgment, not racism.

[NCTraveler]

64. Another absolute comment by you with nothing to back it up.

I'm sure not all of them are racists. All of them are dirt bags.

It's funny you think they wouldn't have done it if it weren't for what you mentioned in your op.

[Ken Burch]

65. I think that the announcement of DWS honorary appointment made the atmosphere worse.

If they had done it quietly after the convention, I think this would have been a much quieter day.

I do NOT condone the booing of anyone today.

[NCTraveler]

66. Agree. The shouldn't be acting this horrid.

Numerous racists went beyond booing Cummings. Pathetic. They need to be marginalized and drummed out.

[JTFrog]

39. Obsess much? nt

[BobbyDrake]

41. If it wouldn't make a difference 4 days from now, why wait? If it's NBD, then act like it. nt

[Ken Burch]

46. Four days later, the delegates would be flying home.

It could just as easily have been announced quietly. DWS would still have saved face.

[BobbyDrake]

48. It's July. In other words, the wrong weather for precious snowflakes. nt

[Ken Burch]

62. No. It's a week when nothing should be done that would piss anybody off.

It would just have been common sense to wait until after the convention.

And to have stopped attacking Sanders supporters once Bernie endorsed HRC.

[BobbyDrake]

67. You come across as the one most in need of your own advice. nt

[Ken Burch]

61. That's exactly what I'm saying.

DWS would have saved just as much face if they'd announced this after the convention.

[Bobbie Jo]

60. It wouldn't have mattered

if it wasn't this, it would have been something else.

This level of bitter runs deep.