2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThey should just have waited until AFTER Philly to announce DWS' place in the campaign.
Why couldn't they let that ride for another four days? What harm would it have done?
It's beginning to look as though the announcement was made Sunday, a day when there was no reason to make it, just to provoke something on the floor.
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(68,868 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)It's not as though she'd only have taken the figurehead position if it was announced the day the delegates arrived.
I don't condone the reaction of the Sanders delegates who did boo...but this is just bad politics.
It could have kept until Friday.
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(68,868 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)That suggests that she wouldn't go unless she got to stir up shit one last time.
If you are right(and I have no reason to doubt you), she just stabbed her own preferred candidate in the back.
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(68,868 posts)glennward
(989 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)apcalc
(4,462 posts)...
JI7
(89,239 posts)talking about civil rights
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)JI7
(89,239 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)The issue(and I agree that it wasn't HIS fault...Cummings was not being allowed to work under his own free will)was the neutrality about TPP in the platform. They'd have booed a white platform committee chair, too.
This isn't about race, or gender, or anything pertaining to identity.
JI7
(89,239 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)The Clinton campaign should never had spread the meme that it's ONLY possible to fight racism if you DON'T work for economic justice.
They created that false division(prior to this year, economic justice and social justice advocates had always collaborated and worked together, and many people worked equally hard for both).
JI7
(89,239 posts)Which these were .
elleng
(130,714 posts)Seems to me they're totally incompetent!
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)to "provoke" Bernie supporters.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)They knew how this would read to some people.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)a reason to be outraged and vow not to vote for her. Nothing would make me happier than to see the Clinton campaign start ignoring the temper tantrums ,nothing is going to be enough.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Nothing would have been lost if the announcement had been held until Friday.
msongs
(67,347 posts)David__77
(23,311 posts)So the Clinton campaign, I think, intended to honor Schultz at this time.
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)Isn't that obvious enough at this point?
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Just that the announcement should have been held off until Friday. What harm would have come of waiting four days?
It's not like she was only going to leave if it was announced the day the delegates showed up.
I want HRC to win in the fall. What I'm saying is, why piss off voters HRC has to have when there is no need to do that?
SaschaHM
(2,897 posts)Stop. It's transparent.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)It's not justification to point out that there was a needless provocation to the stupid actions.
The Clinton-Kaine campaign had nothing to lose by holding off on the announcement until the delegates went home.
uponit7771
(90,301 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)What harm would have come of not announcing it until Friday?
uponit7771
(90,301 posts)... to fuck of and keep out.
Fuck em... I'm disgusted, most of the black speakers were boo'd... fuck em
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)When you're in a national convention, you don't make big announcements that you know will set people off.
It's fine to appoint DWS to the title she will have...I'm just saying they should have held off the announcement until Friday.
Those who insisted on announcing it the day the delegates showed up knew they were rubbing salt in a wound.
Four days later and it wouldn't have mattered.
I still think we can pull this together and will work to do so.
uponit7771
(90,301 posts)... and they're acting insatiable ... Turner bout said that during an interview with Maddow.
Kinda hard to see this objectively right now, I'll hold on but some of this shit is disgusting
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)My basic take on any situation like this is, don't do anything that could rile people up.
I'd be saying the same thing if Bernie was about to be nominated and had announced that Dr. West was going to be the honorary chair of HIS fall campaign.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)These people booing are simply racists and misogynists.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Those who booed were being immature...but they would have reacted exactly the same way to white speakers.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Why was it only the black speakers who got booed?
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)He was chair of the platform committee. They'd have booed a white platform committee chair who oversaw the same thing.
Hopefully, HRC will say something in her acceptance speech like this:
"I respect the fact that President Obama supports TPP. That is his position. If TPP has not been ratified at the time I am sworn in, it will be withdrawn".
No one but a few bazillionaires would mind.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)they still appreciate all her tremendous hard work and what she has done very right, because they appreciate what being the party's lightening rod has cost her, because a major concept their success is built on is "to have a friend, be a friend," and because they are the sort of brave and stalwart people who are happy to stand solid and help a friend in need.
Political realities may require them to act in the face of a witch-hunting mob, but neither of them is going to respect the mob.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)All she was good at was getting big donors.
She put the party on the side of corporations instead of the people.
She alienated millions of grassroots activists.
She led us to disaster in 2014.
Big donors are meaningless if you lose campaign workers and lose midterms.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)her record in Florida and don't care much--that is her constituents' concern. But I have never, ever liked seeing people target a victim for their hostility, or even worse be sicced on a target, and move in with clubs. I'm against them and their behavior in my gut and on principle. That includes the press.
In this case, imo the signs are unmistakable, whatever she's done merely the excuse. Nobody cared a flip about the 9 presidential candidates whose candidacies were completely blocked so they wouldn't siphon off interest. She's really just a Democrat being maneuvered out of the way, maybe, in a very nasty way by an unscrupulous fellow Democrat political opponent for political reasons.
Btw, Democrats just don't do that to each other, another reason I forgot to suggest may be behind the support she's getting from the top of the party. Maybe it should have the been first one, I don't know.
Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)head of the DNC seriously.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)BTW, none of those speakers were being booed for their race or the topics of their speeches. They still should never have been booed, but it's important to be clear on that.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)Yeah right.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)Yes, I think it was coincidence.
The Sanders campaign never dismissed the need to fight racism, and we never stopped trying to get POC voters.
It's a myth that we thought we could get nominated on white votes alone. Nobody thought that.
Lord Magus
(1,999 posts)I think it's clear from the actions today that some of them are.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)My point is that race was not what drove what happened today.
And the Clinton campaign should never have launched the meme that social justice and economic justice were separate and opposed causes...OR that economic justice was somehow a whites-only thing(which implies that POC, in addition to being affected by racism, AREN'T affected by corporate control of the economy and the concentration of wealth in the hands of a few).
In truth, economic justice and social justice advocates have worked together(and often been the SAME people)for generations.
annavictorious
(934 posts)After all the booing of women and POC, everyone knows exactly what they're mad about.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)It's only the right who insists the president has to be male and white.
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Like years ago.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)They were wrong to announce the figurehead appointment the day the delegates showed up...equally, it was wrong to boo people like Rep. Cummings.
None of this was HIS fault, and the anti-TPP language was kept out on HRC's orders. Cummings was blameless for that, and we gave the HRC people the visual of Sanders delegates booing a black man.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)That isn't why these pieces of shit gave Cummings the treatment they did.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)If you are on the left, you are antiracist. It's simply part of your DNA.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)and stopped short of excusing racist behavior. You make an absolute statement that they are on the left. You have zero proof. We are on the left. Clintons platform is on the left. These people you are excusing are dumb fucks.
Listen to what Cummings was talking about and then tell me what the issue was.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)They shouldn't have done it, but the issue was poor judgment, not racism.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I'm sure not all of them are racists. All of them are dirt bags.
It's funny you think they wouldn't have done it if it weren't for what you mentioned in your op.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)If they had done it quietly after the convention, I think this would have been a much quieter day.
I do NOT condone the booing of anyone today.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Numerous racists went beyond booing Cummings. Pathetic. They need to be marginalized and drummed out.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)It could just as easily have been announced quietly. DWS would still have saved face.
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)It would just have been common sense to wait until after the convention.
And to have stopped attacking Sanders supporters once Bernie endorsed HRC.
BobbyDrake
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Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)DWS would have saved just as much face if they'd announced this after the convention.
Bobbie Jo
(14,341 posts)if it wasn't this, it would have been something else.
This level of bitter runs deep.