Let's be clear about the DNC e-mail leak

[Cosmocat]

"#DNCLeak: WikiLeaks chose the publishing date. As usual, we published as soon as the docs were verified & as fast as resources permitted.
1:33 PM - 24 Jul 2016"

A year's worth of e-mails, which just coincidentally happened to be leaked 24 hours before the start of the Democratic National Convention when they would most significantly impact the race.

Looks like bullshit, smells like bullshit, it's bullshit.

Yes, the DNC favored the long standing democrat over the person who has spent a quarter century in politics and only became a democrat just prior to running for POTUS a year ago.

(THAT IS NOT A SLAM ON BERNIE, I voted for him, I have repeatedly stuck up for how HE handled himself during the entire primary, and he pulled one of the most remarkable political moments in modern history last night in successfully turning the room).

What exactly did the DNC do to improperly influence the primary?

The absence of any answer to that question reflects in the timing of the "leak."

This is the second BS e-mail bushwack job on the Hillary campaign in three weeks.

[NCTraveler]

1. A hit job with no verifiable action.

Truly a smear campaign to damage progressives.

[Scuba]

2. Snopes is pretty clear ...

http://www.snopes.com/2016/07/25/what-we-know-so-far-about-wikileaks-dncleaks/

Issues of dispute regarding the content of the leaks were legion. Unquestionably, the e-mails demonstrated that the DNC operated as an arm of the Hillary Clinton campaign, planting information in the media to flatter Clinton and damage opponent Bernie Sanders. The revelations were particularly damaging because the DNC was obligated to behave neutrally, and had repeatedly denied the demonstrated favor toward Clinton existed.

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While it’s impossible to know whether systemic pro-Hillary Clinton bias at the DNC was decisive in the 2016 Democratic primary race, we now know beyond any doubt that such a bias not only existed, but was endemic and widespread. DNC officials worked to plant pro-Clinton stories, floated the idea of using Sanders’ secular Judaism against him in the South, and routinely ran PR spin for Clinton, even as the DNC claimed over and over it was neutral in the primary.

[Cosmocat]

3. Clear as mud

what EXACTLY did they do?

[DanTex]

4. Pretty clearly wrong. Looks like they've got a Bernie or Bust nutcase on their staff.

Aha. The author of the article is Kim LaCapria, who retweets Glenn Greenwald. Looks like we got to the bottom of that one.

[uponit7771]

8. Snopes ALSO makes a claim with NO EVIDENCE to back it up... nothing they have shows that

[Loki Liesmith]

9. I'm sure all the intelligence analysts working for snopes

Have an extensive background in cyber forensics

[geek tragedy]

12. Snopes has become an opinion site, not a fact-based site

While it’s impossible to know whether systemic pro-Hillary Clinton bias at the DNC was decisive in the 2016 Democratic primary race, we now know beyond any doubt that such a bias not only existed, but was endemic and widespread.

No, we don't know that based on catty emails between 7 individuals. Their slant has really been harshly anti-Clinton during the entire 2016 election cycle.

[HereSince1628]

5. This line of argument seems to ignore 'impartial communication' as potentially improper action.

There are thousands of emails and as Donna Brazille has stated, many more to come.

Let's let the DNC organize an investigation and when that's done, let them decide on what's proper and improper and what further consequences, if any, should result.

Personally, I don't think DWS would be gone if this was just an image problem for the convention. The insiders have much greater awareness. There have been comments made by a handful of resigning DNC co-chairs since the primary races got underway that suggest problems in DNC conduct. She resigned against a context best known, almost exclusively known, to the DNC. It involves not only alleged improper emails but very probably also the questionably improper alleged money-laundering of donations. All that needs to be investigated and resolved.

[leftofcool]

6. There are more emails coming

I have heard rumors among the computer security crowd that both campaign emails may have been hacked. If this is true, just wait until we see some of Weaver's emails, Fallon's emails etc............

[geek tragedy]

14. they'll only leak Clinton campaign emails

She's the one who will be on the ballot, she's the one they're trying to defeat at the behest of their state sponsor in Moscow.

[sarae]

33. yep...

that's exactly what I was thinking. It's only Clinton...as long as it makes her look bad, they'll be all over it.

I can't imagine how rigidly she must have to live her life, always knowing that she's being watched 24/7 for any slipups.

I'd go nuts living like that.

[workinclasszero]

35. Yup Putin is behind all this

[avaistheone1]

23. The difference is that Weaver and Fallon

do not control the DNC and the do not have the DNC's powers.

Weaver and Fallon are not chartered or expected to be neutral parties, where the DNC is supposed to be all about that.

[Evergreen Emerald]

7. Seriously, DNC did not act as an arm of the Hillary campaign.

A couple of stupid DNC employees suggested something really stupid, and were shot down immediately by someone less stupid. The media has become frenzied in their spin of the facts to create a story. And so many people are willing to make the ultimate connection with no basis in fact.

[Xipe Totec]

10. There is this, from Dec 2015:

5 Times Debbie Wasserman Schultz Violated DNC Rules and Stacked the Deck in Favor of Clinton

1. Scheduling primary debates to garner as few viewers as possible
2. Grassroots Clinton field offices co-located at DNC offices
3. Dismantling Bernie Sanders’ campaign over one staffer’s mistake
4. DNC finance chair caught raising money for Clinton
5. The DNC lined up superdelegates for Clinton before first debate

http://usuncut.com/politics/debbie-wasserman-schultz-hillary-clinton/

All the time denying there was any bias. The e-mails just put the lie to that denial.

[Evergreen Emerald]

13. You are making assumptions

1. Clinton was better at debates than Sanders. The debate schedule favored Sanders
2. Grassroots offices traditionally share offices with DNC...not an issue
3. Bernie's campaign "mistake" was purposeful deceitful cheating. Clinton's campaign stayed silent while Sanders campaign stole their work. And DNC was too lenient in response to their cheating behavior.

Regarding the other two allegations: I don't have enough information to answer these two charges. Likely they are also overblown and twisted.

Sore losers blame the system.

[B Calm]

17. Even Nancy Pelosi said she had an unfare advantage. It's time to admit she did

have unfare advantages so we can unite behind Hillary.

[Evergreen Emerald]

24. She said it to appease and move on

It was not true.

[B Calm]

25. Seriously, with everything revealed you still say it was not true. I was hoping

we can get past this and work together to unite the party.

[Evergreen Emerald]

26. "everything that was revealed"

A couple of stupid employees wrote a couple of stupid (and wrong) emails and were immediately shot down by a less stupid employee. There is no evidence of action.

I agree: Hillary won, fair and square. Move on.

[B Calm]

27. When Nancy said they may have a legitimate complaint,

did that give you pause?

[Evergreen Emerald]

30. The boy who cried wolf too many times

The primary is over. Move on.

[B Calm]

32. Exactly, we do need to move on.

[geek tragedy]

15. catty emails aren't illegal. And DWS--the person in charge at the

DNC--has resigned.

So, absurd comparison.

[TheBlackAdder]

18. She didn't resign because she wanted to.

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No worries, her appointment of the inept IT firm will still return dividends in her absence.

Absurd response.


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[geek tragedy]

19. yes, she was forced out in a measure of accountability.

Chris Christie is still governor of New Jersey, sadly enough.

[TheBlackAdder]

21. That is only a detail of hierarchy.

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Had the DNC been on top of the power structure, like NJ's governors are, DWS would remain in office.


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[geek tragedy]

22. hoarding grievances doesn't make people happier nt

[lapucelle]

31. DWS's severence package was negotiated and signed in June.

The Clinton campaign had wanted her out since last winter. President Obama was reluctant.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/16/politics/hillary-clinton-campaign-dnc/
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/6/16/1539471/-Clinton-takes-control-of-DNC-buh-bye-Debbie-Wasserman-Schultz
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/debbie-wasserman-schultz-dnc-226100

[Evergreen Emerald]

16. Your response is uninformed

And insulting.

[TheBlackAdder]

20. JUst placing this gripe in a neutral poli-sci perspective, outside of any bubbles.

[Sunlei]

28. another dump was threatened, but now that the experts have published a public report & FBI made

FBI made announcement(only two days ago) they have a started investigation..... I doubt very much the next threatened "wiki dump'leak" will happen.

Obvious whoever was in the DNC stealing files for a year, didn't expect an expert security company to reveal the hackers. The security business and FBI could have known and been working on this hack for many months. The same groups have been caught hacking many government files over the past year.

[themaguffin]

29. It's NOT a "leak." The emails were stolen. How is this different from Watergate?

[baldguy]

34. The difference is that a foreign power was behind it, and not some rogue campaign staffers.

Worse than Watergate.

[themaguffin]

36. I agree that it is worse. My point is that it's not a "leak"