2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumMatt Taibbi: DNC Leak Shows Mechanics of a Slanted Campaign
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/features/dnc-leak-shows-mechanics-of-a-slanted-campaign-w430814DNC Leak Shows Mechanics of a Slanted Campaign
Matt Taibbi
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What does it all mean? If you're a Clinton fan, probably nothing.
To anyone else, it shows that the primary season was very far from a fair fight. The Sanders camp was forced to fund all of its own operations, while the Clinton campaign could essentially use the entire Democratic Party structure as adjunct staff. The DNC not only wasn't neutral, but helped with oppo research against Sanders and media crisis management.
DNC chief Debbie Wasserman Schultz was forced to resign as a result of this mess, which exposed to Sanders voters the extent to which they were viewed organizationally as annoyances to be managed. The immediate question going forward for the party is whether the two camps can put aside their differences in time to defeat the more-than-a-little-scary Donald Trump.
But down the road, someone will have to address the problem of a Democratic Party structure that effectively had no internal advocates for a full 43 percent of its voters. As we've seen with the Trump episode on the other side, people don't much like having to fight against the party claiming to represent them.
emulatorloo
(44,072 posts)----------------
Source: Talking Points Memo
Symone Sanders, former national press secretary for Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT)'s presidential campaign, went on a Twitter rant Monday as the Democratic National Convention unfolded, criticizing those who were still supporting the Vermont senator over the party's nominee, Hillary Clinton.
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Symone D. Sanders
@SymoneDSanders
Look, people are well within their rights to have passions and opinions. That is how we create change in this country. We need the passion!!
5:33 PM - 25 Jul 2016
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Symone D. Sanders
@SymoneDSanders
But let me be clear - NO ONE STOLE THIS ELECTION! Team Sanders we did AMAZING WORK. But we lost. It's a hard reality for some.
5:36 PM - 25 Jul 2016
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Symone D. Sanders
@SymoneDSanders
It was a hard reality for me. Because I fought hard. Now, we won some great battles, but the reality is the system didn't cheat us.
5:38 PM - 25 Jul 2016
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Symone D. Sanders
@SymoneDSanders
Now the contents of the leaked emails show individuals were definitely biased, but 7 folks on an email didn't "steal" the election.
5:41 PM - 25 Jul 2016
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Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/sanders-spox-twitter-rant-support
think
(11,641 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)the people inside the DNC didn't like the campaign that sued them and accused them of money laundering.
Go figure.
think
(11,641 posts)So using that as an excuse for the DNC actions isn't very credible...
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)I don't think anyone is surprised to learn this.
But their malicious gossip about him doesn't translate into any kind of structural bias.
paparush
(7,964 posts)DNC sought to hide details of Clinton funding deal
Leaked emails show officials tried to obscure fact that Clinton allowed states to keep only a tiny fraction of proceeds from joint fundraising.
[link:http://www.politico.com/story/2016/07/dnc-leak-clinton-team-deflected-state-cash-concerns-226191|
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)parties as well as for the DNC.
As it turns out, when you raise money for an organization, they tend to help you raise money for them.
emulatorloo
(44,072 posts)Sanders primary supporter here.
Seen lots of spin and allegations about DNC emails that don't necessarily match up to the content of the emails. I see catty emails, I see no evidence of a 'conspiracy' and no evidence of any action taken that indicates DNC took any action to 'sabotage'
So I share Symone Sanders viewpoint that there were folks who displayed bias against Sanders in emails but that nothing was actually done to damage Sanders campaign. Plenty of emails helping Sanders campaign meet deadlines etc etc.
Does that 'vindicate' those jerks who said biased things? No.
Did those jerks actually do anything? No
IMHO the boneheaded "strategies" of Jeff Weaver have a lot more to do with why Bernie Sanders did not win the nomination.
He spent more time serving red meat to those of us who already supported Bernie than working to broaden Bernie's coalition.
He made the disasterous mistake of making Bernie go negative before NY primary.
As you know, Bernie is not a negative campaigner and to me it was clear Bernie was extremely uncomfortable doing it. It tarnished Bernie's image rather than elevating it, and voters responded accordingly.
I'm very very bitter about it because there has never been a presidential candidate as close to me ideologically. Bernie had a shot, and it was frittered away by an incompetent campaign. I'm struggling to let go of it.
And I'm almost there. I know that Jeff is a loyal friend and was working to the best of his ability. It is not his fault that he was in over his head when it came to running a natl campaign.
I'm happy as hell DWS is gone, she should have resigned years ago. DNC does need to be shaken up. Those people at DNC who wrote those emails should be fired.
think
(11,641 posts)emulatorloo
(44,072 posts)RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)kristopher
(29,798 posts)Yes, that's true. Unless you are completely oblivious to the debate schedule and the rolling thunder of primary election shenanigans. Purely coincidence, obviously.
The one good to come out of this will be increased future opportunity to reinvigorate the traditional Democratic base.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)The Democratic wing of the Democratic party
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Stealing data
Misappropriating logos
Impersonating Union members
Harassing, bullying and threatening others
The dumped emails don't say what some are pretending. Furthermore, it's a shame the Russians didn't intercept and then dump the Sanders campaign's communications.
JRLeft
(7,010 posts)Agree she won, but she had a lot of help. Anyways she's the nominee. The DNC needs to be unbiased moving forward. Get rid of all of the old guard, most of who are corrupt and replace it with new blood.
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)One of the 99
(2,280 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)I bet we all have our own 'best' journalist!
One of the 99
(2,280 posts)RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Indeed.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)Phlem
(6,323 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)babylonsister
(171,036 posts)you claim is 'bullshit' why did you get so worked up? Taibbi is informing us; you really should read it.
KittyWampus
(55,894 posts)Omaha Steve
(99,505 posts)What does it all mean? If you're a Clinton fan, probably nothing.
treestar
(82,383 posts)There is no way Bernie would have one had those emails never been made. Exaggeration is the word.
MrModerate
(9,753 posts)And doesn't veer into false equivalency, BOTH parties need to reform their nomination practices, because they are dysfunctional in the extreme.
TheBlackAdder
(28,168 posts).
Each state has perversed the election process, which causes a multitude of issues and lawsuits.
People should be able to migrate from state to state and retain their voting priviledges and settings, since this impacts federal elections too. If they want to jerk around with state elections, that might be one thing, but for states to hold two sets of election laws when a federal one is in place would reveal its corruption.
While political parties are left to determine their own future, standardized voting might promote standardized party structures, and it would remove a lot of the bullshit they try before and at the polls.
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Laser102
(816 posts)jalan48
(13,842 posts)BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)the campaign they've followed for several months the was not honest with them. The campaign was not honest with them because truthfully admitting they simply lost primaries wouldn't have stoked the (self-)righteous anger the campaign assumed would drive its supporters to the polls.
There's no excuse for the behavior of these delegates. They're all adults who should know better.
jalan48
(13,842 posts)BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)jalan48
(13,842 posts)BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)The emails mentioned going after Sanders' faith. That never happened.
think
(11,641 posts)is it?
Recursion
(56,582 posts)think
(11,641 posts)acceptable in any fashion?
This place would explode if it was found out a member of the DNC was suggesting using Hillary's religion against her.
The tone deaf responses to this issue are truly disturbing...
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Did I miss somebody standing up for him? The point is the DNC shot that idea down
think
(11,641 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Furthermore, we pretty much all agree that's a problem, right?
So... yeah.
think
(11,641 posts)Let that sink in....
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Whereas the DNC helped Sanders on several occasions.
That's the game.
think
(11,641 posts)jalan48
(13,842 posts)BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)uponit7771
(90,304 posts)jalan48
(13,842 posts)colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)He is the closest thing going to the late great Hunter Thompson.
It is hard not to agree with that last paragraph in bold. That said it is over and for now it is important to keep the orange megalomaniac away from the nuclear codes and everything else. That this clown got the republican nomination is scary and strong evidence of the burgeoning dumbing down of this country.
randome
(34,845 posts)He had bigger problems than a few emails expressing distaste for him. But it's always easier to find an excuse for that.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"The whole world is a circus if you know how to look at it."
Tony Randall, 7 Faces of Dr. Lao (1964)[/center][/font][hr]
babylonsister
(171,036 posts)to justify why it's no big deal if the DNC and DWS cheated.
randome
(34,845 posts)Stolen and leaked in order to embarrass the DNC. There is absolutely no evidence that anything beyond this occurred. It's pathetic to hear yet another excuse for why Sanders' campaign failed to catch on. And it's just another excuse to resurrect the Primary War. And some are only too eager to latch onto it.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]"The whole world is a circus if you know how to look at it."
Tony Randall, 7 Faces of Dr. Lao (1964)[/center][/font][hr]
Demsrule86
(68,475 posts)How is this post helpful? Sanders lost. I don't see anything in the emails (some are fakes too) that would have changed one thing for Sanders. More people voted for Hillary Clinton.
FighttheFuture
(1,313 posts)untrustworthy primary process. Exposing this and talkign about it allows the Democratic Party to start addressing these inequities and become stronger for it.
The real danger is ignoring it and sweeping it under the rug so that nothing changes. I can guranteee you one thing that will change with that actions (or inaction), the party base will further shrink and shit like Trump, or any Republican, will be able to burrow even deeper like the poisonous ticks they are.
So, DWS and the DNC screwed up. That much is apparent, regardless of who leaked these emails. What will the party do? It looks like it is doing what it needs to, and should do: DWS resigned; sure, Hillary is taking care of her, but while I dislike DWS I can understand loyalty and being rewarded for it. There is something to say for that. There are plans to reduce the number of super-delegates. A real look at the voting process and those ridiculous caucuses. A real look at the registration process. So, good is coming from this, but it will only happen if it's not swept under the rug out of FEAR of Trump.
The real danger is ignoring this and not addressing people's valid concerns. That will loose voters, for sure. While they may not vote for Trump, they may just stay home and in this election, that will likely be devastating
Rose Siding
(32,623 posts)The DNC wanted a Democrat to win. Just one of the things I love about them.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)A corporate democrat.
Sanders ran as and is a democrat...and more importantly, a liberal.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)Yes, there was division and picking on both sides. DNC felt the wrath of Sanders as did Hillary.
DirkGently
(12,151 posts)Scalded Nun
(1,236 posts)'What does it all mean? If you're a Clinton fan, probably nothing.'
Evidenced by the replies to the post.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)Yes.
It's like they think we weren't there. There was much cronyism in every dept. The only reason this story has traction is it seems to fit in with what went on.
But in all seriousness, the media's attitude toward Sanders was a huge factor. I remember Amy Goodman pointing out that, when a Trump speech was delayed like 15 or 20 minutes, the talking heads on ...was it MSNBC or CNN? can't remember....anyway, she pointed out that Sanders was giving a speech at the time, but they didn't cut to or even acknowledge his speech, but instead just chit chatted for 20 minutes about what Trump might say. That incident illustrates it perfectly.
uponit7771
(90,304 posts)... than a few slanted emails is proof positive of anything.
People want to believe it was stolen cause Clinton just couldn't have wone
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Have fun being manipulated by Vladimir Putin guys while his pal Trump sits back and laughs at you!
Ford_Prefect
(7,873 posts)The DNC went well out of their way to rig more than the Sanders equation. They rigged it against Martin O'Malley and anyone who even gave a whiff of opposing HRC or running in primaries against establishment Democrats like DWS. They bribed and cajoled countless party officials in a number state parties to look the other way and in some cases worse during caucus meetings and state primaries. They not only wanted HRC to win, they wanted to select the Congressional and Senate candidates according to the DNC playbook, bypassing the voters in each case.
redqueen
(115,103 posts)If you look at the larger picture the issues can't be dismissed with a handwave and an "oh grow up you whiny Bernie supporters!"
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)It sounds like a Turner hyperbole
uponit7771
(90,304 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,613 posts)of these primaries isn't important at this point - they probably didn't. What is important is being able to trust the process. If in four years or eight years there's another contested primary and there's so little confidence in the process, good people (especially if outside the "establishment" will be discouraged from becoming candidates because they'll assume they either won't get much support from the DNC, or they'll even be actively sabotaged. Potential supporters will be discouraged from getting involved because they'll think their candidate might get kneecapped by the organization that's supposed to help. It's essential that the DNC really is reformed to be truly fair and impartial, and that everyone can trust and believe that it is.
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)This....
This is what has people moaning and cat calling.
Ford_Prefect
(7,873 posts)The lead time involved in getting an off year campaign going is longer than you may think. Congress members, their staff and family members routinely complain that it seems like they are constantly running the financial, public relations, and ground strategy functions WHILE they are also trying to do the job they were elected for.
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Chimichurri
(2,911 posts)Cleaned out. It was stuff like this that killed the DLC
cstanleytech
(26,248 posts)and make it harder for someone to suddenly decide that they want to register as a Democrat to run on the Democratic ticket and its something the DNC needs to do otherwise down the road the GOP is likely to try and exploit the system to try and ruin future elections for Democratic candidates.
TheKentuckian
(25,020 posts)SHRINK THE TENT UNLESS IT IS A REPUBLICAN SWITCHEROO THEN WE ARE "BIG TENT".
cstanleytech
(26,248 posts)make sure no idiot tries to open the animal cages and lets the lions run loose into the crowd.
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)that was his decision to stay away from the DNC.
FighttheFuture
(1,313 posts)What would you expect him to do?
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)Florencenj2point0
(435 posts)DWS didn't schedule the debates the networks did, that is a fact.
DWS didn't write those emails, she didn't even know about them.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)The networks decided when and how many debates to have? That doesn't even pass a smell test.
rocktivity
(44,572 posts)it was a conflict of interest for DWS to manage the 2016 Dem presidential election process with Hillary in it. The very fact that she could be ACCUSED of putting the DNC in the tank for Hillary -- whether she actually did so or not -- should have disqualified her.
rocktivity
uponit7771
(90,304 posts)At this point some people are willing to grab ahold of anything that supports their thinking of the person they put their heart into not losing.
Facts mean little on this subject now
rocktivity
(44,572 posts)Why expect a fair fight when the referee once coached one of the contenders? Would Jerry Jones or Bill Belachik be allowed to referee an NFL game?
rocktivity
Hekate
(90,564 posts)Oh, I know, false equivalency is all the outrage. But this stinks to high heaven of sabotage, and the Democratic party has lost at least one president to espionage and sabotage.
uponit7771
(90,304 posts)... grasping at straws on this one
stuffmatters
(2,574 posts)Circumventing donor limitations (3500) to one candidate by multiplying it by all 50 states then rerouting all that money back to one candidate ...that seems pretty evident and deliberate fraud. Blaming this all on "the Russians/Putin trying to elect Trump" etc will not make this go away. There are bank transfer records, testimonials by well meaning down ticket aiming donors (like Clooney's) and state party members whose coffers were flooded then drained by this ploy. Nope this is not going away.
This is getting kind of CREEP-y. A campaign with a shoo in candidate yet indulges (out of paranoia, greed, insecurity or just zealotry) in unnecessary (and illegal) dirty tricks.
Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)and about the Democratic Party and now the DNC. This is becoming about Power hanging on to Power at whatever cost.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)... people who say we must cut ties with Alan Grayson because he was accused of domestic violence.
Never mind that Debbie resigned, that Ed Rendell called it a serious violation, that Snopes called it an unquestionable bias.
Just idle gossip, Matt. Now get on message.
uponit7771
(90,304 posts)... notion?
NO ONE... NOT ONE PERSON has shown there was anything other than just idle gossip...
NOTHING
Scuba
(53,475 posts)uponit7771
(90,304 posts)... your response by the way is what conservatives are saying on this matter too.
Typical, when have nothing throw ad homs...