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PatrickforO

(14,570 posts)
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:02 AM Jul 2016

I turned on the convention tonight convinced that we need to get behind Clinton

not because we're excited about her, but because we cannot allow Trump in the WH.

Uh...clearly not allowing Trump near the WH is still a really good idea.

But something else happened.

I listened to those speeches - the first responder from New York, the politician from New York that grew up in Queens who asked 'Where was Trump?' Then there was the sandy haired guy from Nebraska who had a rare form of dwarfism, America Ferrara and Lena Dunham, and finally Bill.

Honestly, I had no idea Hillary Clinton had done so much over her lifetime. So many accomplishments. And I had no idea she cares so deeply about people. Sure, a lot of the convention is for show and this one is real slick and well choreographed. But tonight's speeches showed me a Hillary Clinton I frankly did not know existed. One who calls before a surgery or to offer support before an important event. Someone human who cares maybe more about getting stuff done than about getting elected.

So, I am supporting Clinton now. My vote will not be 'against Trump' but FOR Clinton.

That's new. I'm feeling pretty good after learning what I did tonight.

One other thing: My wife commented that our convention is SO much better because we're talking about love and helping people and positive change and all the Republicans are doing is sowing hatred, racism and divisiveness.

Am I drinking the Kool Aid? I don't think so. This election presents a starker choice than we have ever had in history, and now that I've learned a little more about the humanness of Clinton I'm going to finally say it -

I'm with her.

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I turned on the convention tonight convinced that we need to get behind Clinton (Original Post) PatrickforO Jul 2016 OP
Awesome!!!!!!!!!!!! leftofcool Jul 2016 #1
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #28
A lot of people tend to miss that griffi94 Jul 2016 #2
On the bright side of that... They are running out of slime world wide wally Jul 2016 #25
I'm happy you've seen the light on Hillary. stopbush Jul 2016 #3
+ eleventy billion Lucinda Jul 2016 #14
You're right- there were a few places and people here where I could freely support Hillary. NBachers Jul 2016 #17
Very well said. Thank you for your open honesty. Sheepshank Jul 2016 #4
We've all been fed the same cartoon C_U_L8R Jul 2016 #5
K&R! DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #6
Good to read... sarae Jul 2016 #7
Bill provided truckloads of factual information from a unique perspective. Koinos Jul 2016 #8
I'm so glad you took the time to listen frazzled Jul 2016 #9
Good post! KT2000 Jul 2016 #10
K & R 63splitwindow Jul 2016 #11
K&R Firebrand Gary Jul 2016 #12
Yay!! SunSeeker Jul 2016 #13
THANK YOU, for keeping an open heart and open mind. Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #15
You and I can make it a landslide and give BS a lot of clout too ffr Jul 2016 #16
It was a great night! unitedwethrive Jul 2016 #18
Yay! lillypaddle Jul 2016 #19
Great post! BooScout Jul 2016 #20
Thank you... JSup Jul 2016 #21
Lovely post! auntpurl Jul 2016 #22
Great post, Patrick. sheshe2 Jul 2016 #23
Obama proved that tough pragmatic positivity wins elections. Hillary took notes. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #24
Nice! workinclasszero Jul 2016 #26
kick Angry Dragon Jul 2016 #27
Thanks for this! blueseas Jul 2016 #29
I've said numerous times here. . .whoever wins the Dem nomination. . . DinahMoeHum Jul 2016 #30
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #31
So GLAD to hear this! Thanks. nt LAS14 Jul 2016 #32
Yay!!! I love Bernie and what he did for our party. We need all his people to come on board and Laser102 Jul 2016 #33
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #34
aww!! heart this post! La Lioness Priyanka Jul 2016 #35
You don't get the respect and support she has by Skidmore Jul 2016 #36
It has been there all the time. Sure she makes mistakes, sure she "seems" calculating but I call that glennward Jul 2016 #37
She's literally caught between a rock and BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #39
Thanks so much BlueMTexpat Jul 2016 #38
I had the same reaction PatSeg Jul 2016 #40
She's pretty amazing. nt fleabiscuit Jul 2016 #41
You are seeing the things mercuryblues Jul 2016 #42
There are lots of lies floating around about HRC. athena Jul 2016 #43
Very classy and well said. Blue Idaho Jul 2016 #44
She's the right person for the job Worktodo Jul 2016 #45
Funny you should say this, the SAME thing happened to me. Mea culpa, Hillary BigBearJohn Jul 2016 #46
Thanks for sharing that Pluvious Jul 2016 #47
With arms wide open ismnotwasm Jul 2016 #48
k and r niyad Jul 2016 #49
Nice! LisaM Jul 2016 #50
k&r bagimin Jul 2016 #51
No Trump = Yes Clinton billhicks76 Jul 2016 #52

Response to leftofcool (Reply #1)

griffi94

(3,733 posts)
2. A lot of people tend to miss that
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:07 AM
Jul 2016

Because for 25 years RW media has kept up a constant steady
smear campaign against the Clintons.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
3. I'm happy you've seen the light on Hillary.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:07 AM
Jul 2016

Seriously.

I will say that it's been a difficult year at DU for those of us who have been supporting Hillary all along for EXACTLY those things that we knew about her, only to hear from our fellow DUers that she was a cold, calculating, war hawking corporate shill.

As Bill said, there's the real Hillary, and then there's the cartoon version. I'm with the real Hillary.

NBachers

(17,099 posts)
17. You're right- there were a few places and people here where I could freely support Hillary.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 02:32 AM
Jul 2016

If I wasn't in the "Hillary Safe Zones," I had to weigh whether I wanted to expose myself to attacks, condemnation, and ridicule.

It felt like my home was not safe any more.

I'm glad to see the Hillary support growing and out front here now.

C_U_L8R

(44,997 posts)
5. We've all been fed the same cartoon
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:07 AM
Jul 2016

And it certainly is refreshing and inspiring
when someone helps us see the real Hillary.

DemonGoddess

(4,640 posts)
6. K&R!
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:08 AM
Jul 2016

Thank you for this! The Hillary you heard about is the Hillary so many of us have believed in for years!

sarae

(3,284 posts)
7. Good to read...
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:12 AM
Jul 2016

The more stories like this I hear, the more confident I feel about winning in November. Thank you.

Koinos

(2,792 posts)
8. Bill provided truckloads of factual information from a unique perspective.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:15 AM
Jul 2016

But the whole day has been very enlightening, to say the least. I am very enthusiastic at this point.

It is sad that naysayers close their eyes and ears to Hillary's actual accomplishments. I guess they have too much emotional energy invested in the "made up" version of Hillary.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
9. I'm so glad you took the time to listen
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 12:27 AM
Jul 2016

It's bewildered me all season how and why Hillary Clinton is seen as "unlikeable" or "untrustworthy" by so many. I had taken the time early on in the primary to learn about her life and work across the years, from her college activism and various efforts with the Children's Defense Fund, her work in legal aid and then as First Lady in Arkansas, etc. I had been very impressed. I'd even read some of the personal testimonies from friends and colleagues about her very warm and caring relationships.

But even I was surprised tonight at the stories from regular people she not only helped but whom she continued to contact and follow over the years, impacting their lives in deep ways.

I was also impressed by the broad scope of issues she has taken on, and the depth and rigor with which she has given them, always pushing for change. She truly is a progressive who gets things done. Real things for real people.

These were issues we so very rarely see pushed to the foreground in conventions--bread and butter, human issues. Of course, it was selective and meant to convince, but there was a lot to select from!

Tonight was an attempt to humanize Hillary Clinton. And from the sound of your post, it seems like the evening succeeded. So glad you have such an open mind that you were able to look beyond past misconceptions and get on board!

KT2000

(20,576 posts)
10. Good post!
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:33 AM
Jul 2016

I feel that way too.
For far too long the media has defined her for us through the bogus investigations. When they can't get her on anything they call her a liar. The republicans destroy good people.

Maru Kitteh

(28,339 posts)
15. THANK YOU, for keeping an open heart and open mind.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 02:03 AM
Jul 2016

Those of us who have been watching her for years know some of this story, but it is so new to many. She doesn't brag about her accomplishments or spend a bunch of time defining herself. It's kind of frustrating sometimes because it opens her up to being defined by others. She's a very warm person who loves deeply.

But I digress. Thank you. Deeply.

ffr

(22,669 posts)
16. You and I can make it a landslide and give BS a lot of clout too
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 02:16 AM
Jul 2016

With democratic majorities in both houses and HRC at the helm, Bernie Sanders will definitely have more pull. You vote, I vote, and we get others convinced of the change we need and to get with a democratic winning team, the next four years could be truly great.

Just need to get repukes out of the way.

JSup

(740 posts)
21. Thank you...
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 06:36 AM
Jul 2016

...for seeing a bit of the Hillary that I know and not that straw-woman that gets paraded around on a stick by the media and Republicans.

You just made my day.

Response to DinahMoeHum (Reply #30)

Laser102

(816 posts)
33. Yay!!! I love Bernie and what he did for our party. We need all his people to come on board and
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 06:54 PM
Jul 2016

fight the orange menace with us. This blob can not be our president.

Response to PatrickforO (Original post)

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
36. You don't get the respect and support she has by
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 07:00 PM
Jul 2016

not being able to work with others. I've had bones to pick with her at times in the past. However, I have always respected her integrity. We all make mistakes at times and there's not a one of us on earth who hasn't changed our minds or behavior because we've learned new information or had new experiences. I'd rather support a well rounded person who is informed. Hillary has been very poorly treated by the right and the left over the years, even as she has stood by people who probably didn't deserve it. I'm happy that people are getting to know her.

 

glennward

(989 posts)
37. It has been there all the time. Sure she makes mistakes, sure she "seems" calculating but I call that
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 07:02 PM
Jul 2016

"cautious" She does a bad job of tooting her own horn and if she did she would be criticized for it.

The GOP and other detractors have done a really good job of defining her for us and a lot of people have bought into their nastiness...and some just want to believe their crap.

Thanks for your post. You had real courage in posting that.

BlueMTexpat

(15,366 posts)
39. She's literally caught between a rock and
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 07:30 PM
Jul 2016

a hard place. No matter what she does or doesn't do, she gets more criticism than just about anyone else. Then she also gets criticism for things she had nothing to do with but little to nothing of the credit for good things that people take for granted because they have no idea that she was in part responsible for that particular benefit.

She's not only twice damned; she's at least thrice damned.

PatSeg

(47,399 posts)
40. I had the same reaction
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 07:37 PM
Jul 2016

I was really impressed with everything I heard. I often felt that Hillary is probably very good at whatever job she has at the time, but she often lacked the political skills to persuade people. In 2008 I thought she was over managed and seriously mismanaged by her advisers. I am seeing a much different politician this time, more self-assured and relaxed.

Now to hear so many stories that I hadn't heard before, I feel comfortable supporting her. I think I am becoming a little bit excited even.

mercuryblues

(14,530 posts)
42. You are seeing the things
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 08:37 PM
Jul 2016

that her supporters have known. Why they were rightfully upset when her experience was ignored. Why we were upset when people said she was cold hearted. Why people insist on saying Bill is the only reason she is where she is. She is her own woman. Not perfect, human. Sure she has taken jobs that seem calculating, like on the board of Wal-mart. What everyone excoriates her on is that she didn't push for unions.

What is not mentioned is that she pushed WM to hire and advance more women, and they did while she was a board member. They reverted back to their old ways when she left.

She also used her position on the board for access to the big wigs. She convinced Walton and others to support a tax program needed to overhaul the edu system.

she also worked on environmental issues. She convinced the board to make some changes. Like recycling motor oil, skylights to cut down on electricity and a few more.

Did she do this all by herself, no. She worked with others to get it done. You also have to remember that this was the early 80's to the 90's. She was the 1st and only female board member for WM at that time. (another was hired around the time she left.) WM has always been anti-union.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/20/us/politics/20walmart.html?_r=0

A special team at Wal-Mart handled those activities, but Mr. Walton was vocal in his opposition to unions. Indeed, he appointed the lawyer who oversaw the company’s union monitoring, Mr. Tate, to the board, where he served with Mrs. Clinton.

During their meetings and private conversations, Mrs. Clinton never voiced objections to Wal-Mart’s stance on unions, said Mr. Tate and John A. Cooper, another board member.

“She was not an outspoken person on labor, because I think she was smart enough to know that if she favored labor, she was the only one,” Mr. Tate said. “It would only lessen her own position on the board if she took that position.”


She used her position to do a lot of good. Yet is raked over the coals for not getting WM unionized. Know what I do about Clinton, I am reasonably sure she learned a lot on how corporations fight off unions and use it.

athena

(4,187 posts)
43. There are lots of lies floating around about HRC.
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 08:39 PM
Jul 2016

Sadly, most people tend to repeat what they hear, rather than check to make sure that what they're hearing is true. It's human nature. We just don't have the time to fact-check every statement, so if someone we trust says something, we assume it's true.

I think that many people will see that Hillary is in fact the very opposite the evil caricature she's been made out by the right-wing to be.

Worktodo

(288 posts)
45. She's the right person for the job
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:17 PM
Jul 2016

I watched a few hours of her Secretary of State confirmation hearings years ago. I was very impressed with how she handled herself and her level of knowledge. When people describe her as "highly intelligent" I believe that. It matches up with what I saw.

I've also learned a lot during the convention. I don't think it's kool-aid, I think she'll do a great job.

The fact that Trump has any footing at all (especially after the disasterous comments about NATO and now Russia not to mention a thousand other things) really has been shocking to me.

Pluvious

(4,308 posts)
47. Thanks for sharing that
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 09:24 PM
Jul 2016

My experience is similar to your's, only driven by my ire towards the ruthless banking cartels. The fact Hilary is working closely with both Bernie ("he's dangerous&quot and Elizabeth ("she must be neutered&quot , gives me hope and earns my support.

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
52. No Trump = Yes Clinton
Wed Jul 27, 2016, 10:52 PM
Jul 2016

People may not like the choice or lack thereof but they really have no alternative and must vote for Hillary to avoid chaos.

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