2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWe're supposed to believe that the husband of a woman of Hillary Clinton's accomplishments,
who encouraged, supported, defended and stood by his wife for more than 40 years as she broke barrier after barrier, and who on the the night she became the first woman ever nominated for President on a major party ticket, gave her a full-throated, poignant, brilliant, sentimental endorsement somehow demeaned and undermined her because he referred to her in much younger days as a girl?
Really?
DURHAM D
(32,596 posts)THEY ARE FAILING ON EVERY LEVEL.
Right now Tweety and Howard F. seem to me like they are drinking during commercials. They need to get off the set and leave it to Joy.
pamela
(3,469 posts)Seriously, what the fuck are they doing? Last week, I watched their coverage almost exclusively. It was the only channel that wasn't making me sick to my stomach. This week, I've watched nothing but CSpan and CNN. Every time I turn to MSNBC, I end up having to turn it within seconds. It has been so bad.
Who in the hell do they think their audience is? It's like they think we're all Bernie or Busters and that that is some huuuge demographic. I actually am a Bernie supporter but I'm all in for Hillary now, just like 80% of the Bernie supporters. I sure as hell don't want to watch the Dem convention and listen to their crazy-ass, nit-picking bullshit.
it was hard enough to watch the crap olympics last week as it was
finally today we have been almost exclusively on CSPAN.
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)The Clintons have always benefited from that so I wouldn't make a mountain out of a molehill here. Women don't like to be referred to as girls even at that young age but as long as you refer to men as boys too I don't see the problem.
riversedge
(69,727 posts)to tolerated him but lately he seems to be a real prick.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)Because that is an incredibly stupid thing to bitch about
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,308 posts)It was an incredibly moving speech, full of details and facts that I had been unaware of.
He can call her "girl" forever, as far as I am concerned! I'm 72 and I still refer to myself as a girl. It's a great word.
You rock, Mr. President!
asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)procon
(15,805 posts)Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)asiliveandbreathe
(8,203 posts)still refers to me as his girl......come on....
Maru Kitteh
(28,303 posts)I'm so f'ing glad I shut off the MSNBC. Seriously.
rusty quoin
(6,133 posts)I especially loved the early days. That made me more emotional and interested . I didn't watch Rachel's review. I'm thinking WTH? I loved it.
Rhiannon12866
(203,030 posts)It was quite long, but he's such a great speaker that I doubt anyone minded. This isn't the MSNBC version, though. I also watched it on MSNBC and also found the comments a little strange, thought he was terrific myself, but then they have to find something to talk about...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017394058
onecaliberal
(32,489 posts)Screw Rachel. She a right wing smear merchant
MFM008
(19,782 posts)but drag out the fainting couch and smelling salts if someone calls a woman a GIRL.
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)So Rachel either lost her mind or she thinks everyone else has.
Grown2Hate
(2,005 posts)but she couldn't have been more off-base on that assessment. Look at it this way: it was something we've NEVER experienced before, from a feminist standpoint (and I consider myself a feminist), because it's the first time the SPOUSE of the nominee for President is a male.
It was the fawning love story, expertly co-mingled with a beautiful tapestry about how and why Hillary chose public service, and her many and varied accomplishments to date. Envision that flipped, and I can't see how it was something offensive from any perspective.
And can I just say, I FUCKING LOVE being a Democrat! Look at our convention so far!
WARREN!
BERNIE!
MICHELLE!
BILL!
And we're just getting STARTED! Who did the Republicans have? Fucking Scott Baio and Ted Cruz? Fuck right the hell off and give us the intelligent adults in the room. What a STARK contrast!
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)and the wonderful, diverse group of people this week couldn't be greater.
Grown2Hate
(2,005 posts)one of the Trump kid's speeches combined (not snark, but seriously objectively), as far as substance, charisma, and authenticity are concerned. You could feel the REAL love behind it that they have for each other, and the respect.
If we can get united behind this convention (coming from a vocal Bernie supporter, until Hillary mathematically clinched the nomination), tRump's in deep shit.
BTW, that, "One is real; the other is made up" moment reminded me SO much of the "ARITHMETIC!" moment from 2012. The Big Dawg just knows how to bring it all home. I cheered and scared the crap out of my dog. This after he had to watch me openly sob when Larry Sanders cast his vote for Bernie earlier today. What a day!
pnwmom
(108,925 posts)I'm so glad to hear that this convention has helped you see the "real Hillary." Bill Clinton explained it so well. For decades, the R's have put up a cartoon Hillary and made people hate her. So we can either accept the R's version -- or trust that people like Michelle, Barack, etc. are giving us a more accurate picture.
Hillary has flaws, of course, because she's human. But she's not the diabolical genius the R's paint her to be. She's as qualified as any first term candidate has ever been, and her heart is in the right place. We can trust her to do her best.
Grown2Hate
(2,005 posts)to be doing so. Well, MORE proud (I was never a "hold my nose" guy, as I knew her qualifications, but had no idea the breadth of her dedication). I just REEEEALLLLY hope that a good swath of the American people are seeing this Convention.
Firebrand Gary
(5,044 posts)It was a dumb ass statement.
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unitedwethrive
(1,997 posts)pnwmom
(108,925 posts)David__77
(23,220 posts)I don't imagine he demeaned her in his speech, regardless.
wyldwolf
(43,865 posts)grubbs
(356 posts)Is hoping Fox News takes a ratings hit without roger ailes. They are hoping to get the coveted adult diaper demographic.
apcalc
(4,461 posts)I was a 'girl' then too. It's all relative. Now I'm 66. When we look back, say , 40 years , that is how we might view our younger selves.
MrScorpio
(73,626 posts)And I must say that, away from the spin of the networks, it's a completely different experience.
The networks' main focus aren't on the events, they're on themselves.
Not mention the fact that you're missing whatever is going on every time they break away to commercials or to talk to a spin doctor.
I would rather not be told what to think, especially when very little of what I'm being told has anything to do what what I'm seeing with my very own eyes.
C-SPAN is the only way to go with these events.