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Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:25 AM

We're supposed to believe that the husband of a woman of Hillary Clinton's accomplishments,

who encouraged, supported, defended and stood by his wife for more than 40 years as she broke barrier after barrier, and who on the the night she became the first woman ever nominated for President on a major party ticket, gave her a full-throated, poignant, brilliant, sentimental endorsement somehow demeaned and undermined her because he referred to her in much younger days as a girl?

Really?

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Reply We're supposed to believe that the husband of a woman of Hillary Clinton's accomplishments, (Original post)
EffieBlack Jul 2016 OP
DURHAM D Jul 2016 #1
pamela Jul 2016 #10
MFM008 Jul 2016 #11
billhicks76 Jul 2016 #21
riversedge Jul 2016 #26
AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #2
CaliforniaPeggy Jul 2016 #3
asiliveandbreathe Jul 2016 #5
procon Jul 2016 #7
Firebrand Gary Jul 2016 #14
asiliveandbreathe Jul 2016 #4
Maru Kitteh Jul 2016 #6
rusty quoin Jul 2016 #8
Rhiannon12866 Jul 2016 #23
onecaliberal Jul 2016 #9
MFM008 Jul 2016 #12
pnwmom Jul 2016 #13
Grown2Hate Jul 2016 #18
pnwmom Jul 2016 #19
Grown2Hate Jul 2016 #22
pnwmom Jul 2016 #24
Grown2Hate Jul 2016 #25
Firebrand Gary Jul 2016 #15
BainsBane Jul 2016 #16
unitedwethrive Jul 2016 #17
pnwmom Jul 2016 #20
David__77 Jul 2016 #27
wyldwolf Jul 2016 #28
grubbs Jul 2016 #29
apcalc Jul 2016 #30
MrScorpio Jul 2016 #31

Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:26 AM

1. MSNBC is trying to figure out who they are.

THEY ARE FAILING ON EVERY LEVEL.

Right now Tweety and Howard F. seem to me like they are drinking during commercials. They need to get off the set and leave it to Joy.

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 02:07 AM

10. I'm trying to figure out who they are, too.

Seriously, what the fuck are they doing? Last week, I watched their coverage almost exclusively. It was the only channel that wasn't making me sick to my stomach. This week, I've watched nothing but CSpan and CNN. Every time I turn to MSNBC, I end up having to turn it within seconds. It has been so bad.

Who in the hell do they think their audience is? It's like they think we're all Bernie or Busters and that that is some huuuge demographic. I actually am a Bernie supporter but I'm all in for Hillary now, just like 80% of the Bernie supporters. I sure as hell don't want to watch the Dem convention and listen to their crazy-ass, nit-picking bullshit.

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Response to pamela (Reply #10)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 03:19 AM

11. same here

it was hard enough to watch the crap olympics last week as it was
finally today we have been almost exclusively on CSPAN.

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Response to pamela (Reply #10)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 03:55 AM

21. MSNBC Has Always Been Surface Fluff

 

The Clintons have always benefited from that so I wouldn't make a mountain out of a molehill here. Women don't like to be referred to as girls even at that young age but as long as you refer to men as boys too I don't see the problem.

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Response to DURHAM D (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 05:09 AM

26. Howard Fineman has been a real nasty this last few weeks. I used

to tolerated him but lately he seems to be a real prick.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:27 AM

2. Rachel was desperate to bitch about something?

Because that is an incredibly stupid thing to bitch about

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:29 AM

3. He did not demean or undermine her, not one little bit!

It was an incredibly moving speech, full of details and facts that I had been unaware of.

He can call her "girl" forever, as far as I am concerned! I'm 72 and I still refer to myself as a girl. It's a great word.

You rock, Mr. President!

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #3)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:32 AM

5. Yup - nothin' wrong with it - Terms of Endearment

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #3)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:33 AM

7. The context is missing, but it stems from Maddow trying to create a fake 'issue'. nt

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Response to CaliforniaPeggy (Reply #3)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 03:39 AM

14. +10000

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:31 AM

4. My hubby of 32 years - yikes!!

still refers to me as his girl......come on....

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:33 AM

6. Gotta find our fauxrage somewheres!

I'm so f'ing glad I shut off the MSNBC. Seriously.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:37 AM

8. I didn't watch his speech but read the transcript.

 

I especially loved the early days. That made me more emotional and interested . I didn't watch Rachel's review. I'm thinking WTH? I loved it.

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Response to rusty quoin (Reply #8)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 04:06 AM

23. Here's the video, if you'd like to see it.

It was quite long, but he's such a great speaker that I doubt anyone minded. This isn't the MSNBC version, though. I also watched it on MSNBC and also found the comments a little strange, thought he was terrific myself, but then they have to find something to talk about...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017394058

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 01:39 AM

9. It was brilliant. I learned things about her I didn't know.

Screw Rachel. She a right wing smear merchant

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 03:20 AM

12. trunk can call a woman a fat PIG and a DOG

but drag out the fainting couch and smelling salts if someone calls a woman a GIRL.

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Response to MFM008 (Reply #12)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 03:38 AM

13. And to put this into context, he also called himself a "boy," referring to the same time period.

So Rachel either lost her mind or she thinks everyone else has.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #13)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 03:48 AM

18. I was going to point that out. GREAT point. It's called a colloquialism. And I LOVE Rachel,

but she couldn't have been more off-base on that assessment. Look at it this way: it was something we've NEVER experienced before, from a feminist standpoint (and I consider myself a feminist), because it's the first time the SPOUSE of the nominee for President is a male.

It was the fawning love story, expertly co-mingled with a beautiful tapestry about how and why Hillary chose public service, and her many and varied accomplishments to date. Envision that flipped, and I can't see how it was something offensive from any perspective.

And can I just say, I FUCKING LOVE being a Democrat! Look at our convention so far!

WARREN!
BERNIE!
MICHELLE!
BILL!

And we're just getting STARTED! Who did the Republicans have? Fucking Scott Baio and Ted Cruz? Fuck right the hell off and give us the intelligent adults in the room. What a STARK contrast!

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Response to Grown2Hate (Reply #18)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 03:51 AM

19. I had the same feeling watching the first days. The contrast between the hate-fest last week

and the wonderful, diverse group of people this week couldn't be greater.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #19)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 04:00 AM

22. Absolutely. And just the sheer caliber of speakers... I'd take Bill's incredible speech over every

one of the Trump kid's speeches combined (not snark, but seriously objectively), as far as substance, charisma, and authenticity are concerned. You could feel the REAL love behind it that they have for each other, and the respect.

If we can get united behind this convention (coming from a vocal Bernie supporter, until Hillary mathematically clinched the nomination), tRump's in deep shit.

BTW, that, "One is real; the other is made up" moment reminded me SO much of the "ARITHMETIC!" moment from 2012. The Big Dawg just knows how to bring it all home. I cheered and scared the crap out of my dog. This after he had to watch me openly sob when Larry Sanders cast his vote for Bernie earlier today. What a day!

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Response to Grown2Hate (Reply #22)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 04:27 AM

24. What a day is right!

I'm so glad to hear that this convention has helped you see the "real Hillary." Bill Clinton explained it so well. For decades, the R's have put up a cartoon Hillary and made people hate her. So we can either accept the R's version -- or trust that people like Michelle, Barack, etc. are giving us a more accurate picture.

Hillary has flaws, of course, because she's human. But she's not the diabolical genius the R's paint her to be. She's as qualified as any first term candidate has ever been, and her heart is in the right place. We can trust her to do her best.

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Response to pnwmom (Reply #24)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 04:44 AM

25. I was ALWAYS going to vote for the Democratic ticket in November, but now I'm actually PROUD

to be doing so. Well, MORE proud (I was never a "hold my nose" guy, as I knew her qualifications, but had no idea the breadth of her dedication). I just REEEEALLLLY hope that a good swath of the American people are seeing this Convention.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 03:39 AM

15. Rachel fucked up!

It was a dumb ass statement.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 03:42 AM

17. I hope someone from MSNBC reads this forum, because they are losing a bunch of viewers.

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Response to unitedwethrive (Reply #17)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 03:53 AM

20. You're right. Between last week and this week, I'm done with MSNBC. CNN is much more fair. n/t

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 06:09 AM

27. I don't know what agreements their relationship is based on.

I don't imagine he demeaned her in his speech, regardless.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 06:26 AM

28. Where have I heard this silly conversation before? Ah yes...

?t=17s

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 06:47 AM

29. MSNBC

Is hoping Fox News takes a ratings hit without roger ailes. They are hoping to get the coveted adult diaper demographic.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 06:51 AM

30. YES! Makes sense to me.

I was a 'girl' then too. It's all relative. Now I'm 66. When we look back, say , 40 years , that is how we might view our younger selves.

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Response to EffieBlack (Original post)

Wed Jul 27, 2016, 07:12 AM

31. I've been watching both conventions exclusively on C-SPAN

And I must say that, away from the spin of the networks, it's a completely different experience.

The networks' main focus aren't on the events, they're on themselves.

Not mention the fact that you're missing whatever is going on every time they break away to commercials or to talk to a spin doctor.

I would rather not be told what to think, especially when very little of what I'm being told has anything to do what what I'm seeing with my very own eyes.

C-SPAN is the only way to go with these events.

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