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lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:41 PM Jul 2016

If those moronic anarchists disrupt this historic night...

I don't know, but they MUST be stopped.

Tonight he Democratic party is making HISTORY. Nominating the FIRST woman for president of a major party EVER. This will happen only this once.

This is a night to be proud to be a DEMOCRAT, and an AMERICAN. The country is taking a GIGANTIC step towards EQUALITY.

This is a night to CELEBRATE.

And those stupid, entitled, spoiled brats have no right to damper this moment.

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If those moronic anarchists disrupt this historic night... (Original Post) lunamagica Jul 2016 OP
I wish people would stop MSNBCing. n/t demmiblue Jul 2016 #1
They're in a totally different world from me bekkilyn Jul 2016 #16
Agree or not, our right to protest is vital. tecelote Jul 2016 #2
Not at a private event it's not. NYC Liberal Jul 2016 #3
They were let in. tecelote Jul 2016 #8
And they should be let out. NYC Liberal Jul 2016 #69
They're currently locked in revbones Jul 2016 #79
Probably at lot of the disputers there are Trump supporters. Rex Jul 2016 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author RiverNoord Jul 2016 #91
So is exercising adult judgement Loki Liesmith Jul 2016 #7
True. tecelote Jul 2016 #13
I agree 100% that people have a "right" to protest at an event like this .... etherealtruth Jul 2016 #42
Yes. They have equal rights. tecelote Jul 2016 #43
you dont have a right to protest private events Cryptoad Jul 2016 #66
Really, you believe the DNC's rules forbid protest? etherealtruth Jul 2016 #71
u are free to leave the covention floor and protest Cryptoad Jul 2016 #74
Really, i can't seem to find "your" rule in any of the DNC memorandums etherealtruth Jul 2016 #75
why would u think u have the right to,,, Cryptoad Jul 2016 #78
Here is the contact info for the DNC ... perhaps they will institute your rules next time etherealtruth Jul 2016 #80
I am an elected executive member of the Democratic Party Cryptoad Jul 2016 #82
Not a very effective member if you can't get all protest banned etherealtruth Jul 2016 #84
u still dont get it Cryptoad Jul 2016 #85
Go work on your letter etherealtruth Jul 2016 #86
u da one talking abt writng a letter Cryptoad Jul 2016 #87
the DNC has rules about decorum at convention DLCWIdem Jul 2016 #81
Yes they do ... and my posts have definitely addressed that etherealtruth Jul 2016 #83
This message was self-deleted by its author RiverNoord Jul 2016 #53
You've never experienced real political corruption Loki Liesmith Jul 2016 #60
This message was self-deleted by its author RiverNoord Jul 2016 #90
It's a nominating convention, not a protest event RonniePudding Jul 2016 #11
Doesn't make it the right thing for them to do it at that time and place treestar Jul 2016 #12
You reap what you sow. tecelote Jul 2016 #14
Sowed by 3,775,437 more votes. nt fleabiscuit Jul 2016 #28
Yes. I'll proudly vote for Hillary too. tecelote Jul 2016 #37
In the public square, absolutely. procon Jul 2016 #17
But, these people are Democrats. tecelote Jul 2016 #19
That's debatable, yeah? nt procon Jul 2016 #22
What's not debatable? tecelote Jul 2016 #24
It is frustrating because attending the convention is an honor SharonClark Jul 2016 #70
This isn't a public forum. Maven Jul 2016 #18
Then they should not have been granted permission. tecelote Jul 2016 #21
A delegates, they agreed to the DNC ruled when they accepted their official credentials. procon Jul 2016 #26
^^^^^^^^^ LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #44
Exactly! n/t paleotn Jul 2016 #50
they were granted revocable licenses to attend geek tragedy Jul 2016 #30
+1 Haveadream Jul 2016 #56
The right to protest does not apply at a private event. LiberalFighter Jul 2016 #25
I thought all Democrats were invited? tecelote Jul 2016 #35
It is a convention that has rules to follow. LiberalFighter Jul 2016 #63
I'm not attacking their right to protest CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #27
A sane response. tecelote Jul 2016 #34
I'm not attacking their right to protest CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #32
are they insane for being mad about the DNC? nvme Jul 2016 #49
Really???? CajunBlazer Jul 2016 #58
There is a time and a place to "protest", you don't do so at an event to which you've been "invited" George II Jul 2016 #46
protesting is one thing Skittles Jul 2016 #48
The difference is very much in they eye of the beholder. TDale313 Jul 2016 #57
you could say that about anything Skittles Jul 2016 #59
you dont have a right to protest private events Cryptoad Jul 2016 #68
Supposedly planning a walkout MelSC Jul 2016 #4
Keep walking! Don't let that glass door hit them in the ass on the way over to vote for Trump. nt procon Jul 2016 #31
Seems like you're more interested in focusing on negativity than history too. Barack_America Jul 2016 #5
Yep. n/t demmiblue Jul 2016 #9
Uh huh. grossproffit Jul 2016 #10
If I was there I think I would confront them... DCBob Jul 2016 #6
No. If I was there and they were part of my delegation I would be taking names LiberalFighter Jul 2016 #64
is it a stunt to promote the green party....with green t shirts... msongs Jul 2016 #15
I hate when people talk in a movie theater. nt ZombieHorde Jul 2016 #20
They tried to interrupt obama last night and it lasted for about 2 seconds Doctor Jack Jul 2016 #23
I think tonight is gonna be great. A capstone to a powerful, unifying week. Warren DeMontague Jul 2016 #29
exactly, that's my expectation. geek tragedy Jul 2016 #33
That's me, for sure lunamagica Jul 2016 #39
I hope you are right! lunamagica Jul 2016 #38
It pisses me off that these morons are there liberal N proud Jul 2016 #36
This op grubbs Jul 2016 #40
They Believe They Have Been Cheated videohead5 Jul 2016 #41
I believe in Freedom of Speech! nvme Jul 2016 #47
Then they're either disingenuous or delusional Proud Public Servant Jul 2016 #54
"Push 'em back, push 'em back, waaaaay back!" jtuck004 Jul 2016 #51
Thanx 4 the History nikto Jul 2016 #72
When they go low, we will go high (and ignore them asses of course) MichiganVote Jul 2016 #52
If they do not understand the importance TNNurse Jul 2016 #55
They've no perspective, rather an over sized sense of self importance Rose Siding Jul 2016 #61
Self-absorbed narcissists. Cha Jul 2016 #62
Unbelievable ,,,,, Cryptoad Jul 2016 #65
I'll pay the lawyer fees.. G_j Jul 2016 #67
this is bigoted. I am not stupid, entitled, or spoiled MasonDreams Jul 2016 #73
Damn them if they try anything. Dawson Leery Jul 2016 #76
Ignore them..Hillary has faced far worse then these fools. misterhighwasted Jul 2016 #77
They didn't Jamaal510 Jul 2016 #88
Yeah, thankfully it went smoothy (exccept for a few shots of "them". I'm SO relieved lunamagica Jul 2016 #89

bekkilyn

(454 posts)
16. They're in a totally different world from me
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:58 PM
Jul 2016

I've been on CSPAN this entire convention and the only disruptions I've seen was the boo-ing that happened the first hour or so of the first day. Everything's been going great!

NYC Liberal

(20,132 posts)
3. Not at a private event it's not.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:47 PM
Jul 2016

Would you be okay with a bunch of Trump supporters entering the hall and shouting at Hillary during her speech?

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
8. They were let in.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:51 PM
Jul 2016

No. I would not like it but I would understand it.

If you want to be more inclusive, that's a different point.

 

revbones

(3,660 posts)
79. They're currently locked in
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:47 PM
Jul 2016

and Hillary operatives are blocking the aisles. White noise machines were put in over the CA and OR delegates.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
45. Probably at lot of the disputers there are Trump supporters.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:28 PM
Jul 2016

It would be naive to think otherwise.

Response to NYC Liberal (Reply #3)

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
13. True.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:53 PM
Jul 2016

But that's not a law. People have a right...

I'm not saying it's not unfortunate but I am saying it is reality in America today. To expect no protests is also not realistic. It is an indication of where we are at as a nation.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
42. I agree 100% that people have a "right" to protest at an event like this ....
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:22 PM
Jul 2016

.... right up to the point that their right interferes with the rights of other people (equally invested and equally endowed with the same rights) to participate.

If they want to chant, boo whatever .... between speeches and allow people there their right to hear and to speak .... I have no problem whatsoever .... but their rights are not more important than the rights of the other people there.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
66. you dont have a right to protest private events
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:07 PM
Jul 2016

no more than I have rights to protest in ur living room..... This Convention is a private event, not open to the Public......

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
71. Really, you believe the DNC's rules forbid protest?
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:20 PM
Jul 2016

(quite obviously no one has confused this with constitutional rights)

I am quite interested in what you disagree with in my post .... you believe that protest is forbidden at the convention?

Do you simply believe I am wrong about protest being OK (even good) up to the point that it interferes with the rights of others (not constitutional rights, please do not confuse).....?

How should disagreement be handled? Perhaps emails to the DNC?

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
74. u are free to leave the covention floor and protest
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:28 PM
Jul 2016

but u do not have a right to protest, there is time and place for everything and the DNC should have booted them off the floor for their behavior.....

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
75. Really, i can't seem to find "your" rule in any of the DNC memorandums
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:34 PM
Jul 2016

.... releases, delegate communications. I can't find my idea about not infringing on the rights of others either (ie do not disrupt speakers, presentations or interfere with others listening or participating)

I am off to enjoy Clinton's acceptance.

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
78. why would u think u have the right to,,,
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:46 PM
Jul 2016

infringe on the rights of other....... geez.... I dont have any written rules abt behavior in my living room but u dont have the right do as please there. same applies to private event including the DNC convention.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
80. Here is the contact info for the DNC ... perhaps they will institute your rules next time
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:51 PM
Jul 2016
DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE
430 South Capitol Street Southeast
Washington, DC 20003

I think my ideas for polite protest are sufficient .... but understand you think they don't do far enough and would like to forbid all protest.

contact the DNC I am sure they will appreciate your input (or they may draw other conclusions about you), but at least you can say you tried

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
82. I am an elected executive member of the Democratic Party
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:59 PM
Jul 2016

but thanks anyway.... u still never told why u think u have the right to protest an private event.

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
84. Not a very effective member if you can't get all protest banned
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:08 PM
Jul 2016

... it is clearly very important to you. Perhaps you can contact a more effective member and request it be written in.

There is still time to forbid any protest in 4 years (i am sure subsequent conventions will be well attended).

Mercifully, most members are intelligent and politically savvy so the odds of polite protest and dissent being banned are slim .... you should bring your concerns to the intelligent and savvy members.


Here is a phone number for the DNC (202) 863-8000

etherealtruth

(22,165 posts)
83. Yes they do ... and my posts have definitely addressed that
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:02 PM
Jul 2016

... if you read the sub thread ... I do not believe that anyone has the right to disrupt speakers or to interfere with delegates listening (and participating) in those speeches.

i have been very outspoken r/t to my disgust with heckling and disruption (interfering with others ability to participate) .... but i don't want a party where you can't have a placard that says: no TPP, if you want to keep signs r chant Bernie between speeches and events ... I don't have a problem.

Dissent and disagreement can foster growth ... I don't think most want it forbidden

As long as the protest does not disrupt or prevent others participation why stifle it?

By the way, I think the heckling and disruptive posters are complete ass holes

Response to Loki Liesmith (Reply #7)

Loki Liesmith

(4,602 posts)
60. You've never experienced real political corruption
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:58 PM
Jul 2016

Almost no one in this country has.

What they're protesting is political behavior by politicians.

Response to Loki Liesmith (Reply #60)

 

RonniePudding

(889 posts)
11. It's a nominating convention, not a protest event
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:52 PM
Jul 2016

Beyond that, it's fucking rude to interrupt other people while they are talking. If people can't extend that common courtesy I don't GAF about what they're complaining about. The barbarian convention was last week. The people heckling are assholes. Believe that.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
12. Doesn't make it the right thing for them to do it at that time and place
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:53 PM
Jul 2016

A minority can always mess things up - even one person can. Doesn't mean people need to always do that.

This is not a protest for anything other than not getting which candidate they wanted.

procon

(15,805 posts)
17. In the public square, absolutely.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:59 PM
Jul 2016

However, you cannot use someone else's private celebration as your own personal media event. This whole show belongs to the DNC, they planned it and they paid for it. They, and their millions of Democratic members, as well as the millions of viewers, have rights too.

If you object, take it to the streets, pound away on social media, or start your own political party and do it your way, but don't infringe on all the other people who disagree with you and want nothing to do with your political inclinations.

SharonClark

(10,005 posts)
70. It is frustrating because attending the convention is an honor
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:09 PM
Jul 2016

I know people who have worked for progressive causes and the Democratic Party for years. They've never been able to go the convention. They watch tv and see people who registered as Dems in the last year disrupting the convention of the party they dearly love and have devoted much time and effort on.

These disrupters have no respect for the other attendees who are thrilled to be there, the office holders who work hard promoting progressive values, and even the President.

I have nothing positive to say about the disrupters.

Maven

(10,533 posts)
18. This isn't a public forum.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 07:59 PM
Jul 2016

There is no right to protest inside the convention hall, or even to be granted admittance.

procon

(15,805 posts)
26. A delegates, they agreed to the DNC ruled when they accepted their official credentials.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:05 PM
Jul 2016

No, they don't get to pick and choose which ones they will follow from moment to moment.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
30. they were granted revocable licenses to attend
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:08 PM
Jul 2016

based on understood rules of conduct.

it's like attending a movie theater--they can kick you out for yelling throughout the movie, blocking the screen, or video recording it

LiberalFighter

(50,496 posts)
63. It is a convention that has rules to follow.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:01 PM
Jul 2016

It is run by the DNC and they have the rules spelled out in the Call for the Convention as well as their bylaws.

And no not all Democrats are invited. And those that are in the convention hall agree to follow the rules. Whether they are delegates, press, or guests. They all have to be approved and have credential passes.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
27. I'm not attacking their right to protest
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:05 PM
Jul 2016

People should be able act like an idiots and try to disrupt one of the most historic events our lifetimes.

I don’t question the disruptivers’ rights to express their views, I question their judgement, I question their timing, I question their willingness to try to suppress the right of self expression of others, and I question their selfishness in believing that their personal resentment of the irreparable actions of others is more important than the needs of their country. In short I question their sanity.

tecelote

(5,122 posts)
34. A sane response.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:10 PM
Jul 2016

I'm responding to the idea that "they must be stopped". Our country was born of protest. One of the most significant protests in history.

Instead of "stopping" them, maybe they should either be ignored or listened to. Stopping them is un-American.

Moving them outside is understandable.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
32. I'm not attacking their right to protest
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:08 PM
Jul 2016

People should be able act like an idiots and try to disrupt one of the most historic events our lifetimes.

I don’t question the disruptivers’ rights to express their views, I question their judgement, I question their timing, I question their willingness to try to suppress the right of self expression of others, and I question their selfishness in believing that their personal resentment of the irreparable actions of others is more important than the needs of their country. In short I question their sanity.

nvme

(860 posts)
49. are they insane for being mad about the DNC?
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:52 PM
Jul 2016

The are proclaiming publicly their support for someone who was cheated in secret(as revealed by the email) So they felt they were being mistreated so they present their disdain Deal with it! Its undemocratic what DSW and the DNC did to Sanders (note I did not include Hillary) I fully Support Clinton but the protesters have the right to protest.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
58. Really????
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:36 PM
Jul 2016

Are you familiar with the worst of the plots cooked up by DNC members? They didn't have a clue how affect the election and they didn't. While their behavior was reprehensible, they mistreated no one because they didn't have a clue how to do so.

I don’t question the disruptivers’ rights to express their views, I question their judgement, I question their timing, I question their willingness to try to suppress the right of self expression of others, and I question their selfishness in believing that their personal resentment of the irreparable actions of others is more important than the needs of their country.

George II

(67,782 posts)
46. There is a time and a place to "protest", you don't do so at an event to which you've been "invited"
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:33 PM
Jul 2016

procon

(15,805 posts)
31. Keep walking! Don't let that glass door hit them in the ass on the way over to vote for Trump. nt
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:08 PM
Jul 2016

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
23. They tried to interrupt obama last night and it lasted for about 2 seconds
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:02 PM
Jul 2016

Before it sounded like they were dragged out of the hall by security. They talk a big game but its a little different when you are surrounded by security and outnumbered about 100:1 by Hillary supporters and people that are uninterested in protesting.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
33. exactly, that's my expectation.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:09 PM
Jul 2016

but Democrats love to hand-wring, it's kind of our thing before a big moment

grubbs

(356 posts)
40. This op
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:18 PM
Jul 2016

Is offensive to morons and anarchists. imma drink a couple of beers and watch Hillary and Katy Perry. Screw the protestors. Screw them in their little micro penis holes with a rusty piece of wire. (Oh! Ouch! hurts a little to think about. Sorry) This is history being made. I got no time for foolish antics. So let's get our drank on and witness history!

videohead5

(2,150 posts)
41. They Believe They Have Been Cheated
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:19 PM
Jul 2016

Because of the DNC and these few emails they believe that Sanders would have won but in reality the states run their own primary's and Hillary got almost 4 million more votes than Bernie,if it was close I could understand but it was not.some really believe that there was massive voter fraud in California that it was all a conspiracy.

nvme

(860 posts)
47. I believe in Freedom of Speech!
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:47 PM
Jul 2016

I am strongly supporting Hillary. People with grievances need to be heard. If it disrupts or offends it is annoying, yet it truly an American right. No one likes being protested, yet these people need to be heard. They feel no one is listening. So they protest God bless them and the United States of America!

Proud Public Servant

(2,097 posts)
54. Then they're either disingenuous or delusional
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:16 PM
Jul 2016

They feel they're not being heard? The MSM, which they love to deride, has covered them every single night of this convention. A handful of malcontents has managed to promote the narrative that the Party is divided, when nothing could be further from the truth. Of COURSE they're being heard, and they know it; what they can't bear is that precisely BECAUSE they're being heard, they're being judged ridiculous and irrelevant. Poor babies.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
51. "Push 'em back, push 'em back, waaaaay back!"
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:09 PM
Jul 2016

Those aren't anarchists. Those are your neighbors.

Down here...now these were anarchists.

Palmer Raids
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Alexander Mitchell Palmer
The Palmer Raids were a series of raids conducted by the United States Department of Justice to capture, arrest and deport radical leftists, especially anarchists, from the United States. The raids and arrests occurred in November 1919 and January 1920 under the leadership of Attorney General A. Mitchell Palmer. Though more than 500 foreign citizens were deported, including a number of prominent leftist leaders, Palmer's efforts were largely frustrated by officials at the U.S. Department of Labor, which had authority for deportations and objected to Palmer's methods.

The Palmer Raids occurred in the larger context of the Red Scare, the term given to fear of and reaction against communist radicals in the U.S. in the years immediately following World War I. There were strikes that garnered national attention, race riots in more than 30 cities, and two sets of bombings in April and June 1919, including one bomb mailed to Palmer's home.
...



TNNurse

(6,911 posts)
55. If they do not understand the importance
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:19 PM
Jul 2016

of defeating Trump, I cannot respect their behavior.

I believe in protest, but this is terrifying.

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
61. They've no perspective, rather an over sized sense of self importance
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:58 PM
Jul 2016

So far tonight VERY easy to drown out!

Cryptoad

(8,254 posts)
65. Unbelievable ,,,,,
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:05 PM
Jul 2016

ass holes heckling a Medal of Honor recipient,,,,,
as was one of those spit on 1969. i can tell u those few
heckling have just cost us millions of votes after Trump gets thru
spinning it.

MasonDreams

(756 posts)
73. this is bigoted. I am not stupid, entitled, or spoiled
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:21 PM
Jul 2016

WE WILL PROTEST THE ENDLESS WAR. PERIOD
I JOINED CAUSE I NEEDED A JOB. GREEN (ARMY GREEN) LIVES MATTER. ALL THE ARMED FORCES DEFEND THE RIGHT TO PEACEFULLY ASSEMBLE AND REDRESS THE GOV'T ABOUT THOSE GRIEVENCES..
DONT WORRY WE'RE GONNA VOTE FOR HER!!
then we're gonna stop the war just like last time.
If no one has ever fired a shot in your direction, if you never took the oath and swore to defend against all enemies foriegn and domestic; that's right you know where I am going. Then don't call me stupid, entitled and spoiled. look in the mirror.
A little oversimplified to call us anarchists when we put our lives at risk to defend civilization.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
77. Ignore them..Hillary has faced far worse then these fools.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:39 PM
Jul 2016

Look at the size of her cheering fans base here tonight!

This is her & our celebration.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
88. They didn't
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 12:15 AM
Jul 2016

get the chance to disrupt her speech like they had hoped. The small handful of them was probably drowned out. Nobody in there paid them any attention, and that drove them nuts.

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