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It's Clinton with a T, not Clin'in (Original Post) Dream Girl Jul 2016 OP
It's been driving me crazy, too. MBS Jul 2016 #1
And that matters why? n/t cynatnite Jul 2016 #2
Just annoying...how hard is it to say Clin-ton? Is Clin'in supposed to sound cute? Dream Girl Jul 2016 #5
There are more important things than enunciation... cynatnite Jul 2016 #33
No shade -- that annoys me so much. Tatiana Jul 2016 #3
It's a speech thing and does not bother me at all DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #4
It actually seems like a fairly new thing. I started noticing the dropped T thing about Dream Girl Jul 2016 #6
As my Linguistics professor once said: Lyric Jul 2016 #7
+1 demmiblue Jul 2016 #20
Treu. TheBlackAdder Jul 2016 #25
Haaahaa.. misterhighwasted Jul 2016 #26
! Ghost Dog Jul 2016 #27
LOL, me too. I'm 1) trying to get over it and 2) trying to figure out when that started. nolabear Jul 2016 #8
Yes it seemed very deliberate when it started about 20 years ago Dream Girl Jul 2016 #10
I came up before Valley Speak and that noxious grate -y/gravel voice. MADem Jul 2016 #22
Pretty annoying. Noticed it with other words, too. Blaukraut Jul 2016 #9
probably not taught to properly enunciate, really DemonGoddess Jul 2016 #11
I noticed Steve Schmidt using that pronunciation last night so, probably not an education thing Dream Girl Jul 2016 #13
Trivial. emulatorloo Jul 2016 #12
Of course it's trivial - never said it was anything but. Dream Girl Jul 2016 #14
Yes! But I think this may be an accent thing. emulatorloo Jul 2016 #16
That is how you pronounce "Clinton" in a big chunk of the US obamanut2012 Jul 2016 #40
The Simpsons covered this..... Red Mountain Jul 2016 #15
Regional accents are what they are. American has more glottal stops than we think. Hekate Jul 2016 #17
Regional dialects differ. Binkie The Clown Jul 2016 #18
But I don't think really think it's regional. It's something that's come into fashion. Dream Girl Jul 2016 #19
Since we don't all speak like Shakespeare... Binkie The Clown Jul 2016 #37
Its called a glottal stop Stinky The Clown Jul 2016 #21
It's regional. greymattermom Jul 2016 #23
LOL BumRushDaShow Jul 2016 #24
We have one in Houston who does the vocal fry at the end if every sentence. elehhhhna Jul 2016 #29
I know that anyone here in Philly this week BumRushDaShow Jul 2016 #30
sheesh - give it a rest - eom asiliveandbreathe Jul 2016 #28
No shit!! ronnykmarshall Jul 2016 #32
It's an accent thing. ronnykmarshall Jul 2016 #31
I'm from Massachusetts - I have no ahhh's (r's) - asiliveandbreathe Jul 2016 #34
away from tv so not who this is referring to, but locals pronounce "trenton" similarly. unblock Jul 2016 #35
although in the big picture it doesn't matter much... drthais Jul 2016 #36
I'm originally from NC, know lots of Clintons obamanut2012 Jul 2016 #38
I don't care how it pronounced as long as Madam President precedes it! csziggy Jul 2016 #39
Being from Louisiana and Arkansas GulfCoast66 Jul 2016 #41
 

Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
5. Just annoying...how hard is it to say Clin-ton? Is Clin'in supposed to sound cute?
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:25 PM
Jul 2016

Sorry, I'm generally pretty tolerant but that just Drives me nuts

 

Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
6. It actually seems like a fairly new thing. I started noticing the dropped T thing about
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:30 PM
Jul 2016

15 or 20 years ago with teen girls as a cutesy thing and it's just spread. I don't believe it's a speech thing or even a legitimate accent..I think it's a grand conspiracy to drive me crazy.

Lyric

(12,675 posts)
7. As my Linguistics professor once said:
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:31 PM
Jul 2016

"If you can understand the meaning of what someone is expressing, then their language use is valid".

TheBlackAdder

(28,167 posts)
25. Treu.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:15 PM
Jul 2016

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"I cdn'uolt blveiee taht I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd waht I was rdanieg: the phaonmneel pweor of the hmuan mnid. Aoccdrnig to a rseearch taem at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit a porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig huh? Yaeh and you awlyas thguoht slpeling was ipmorantt."

http://wordmocha.blogspot.com/2012/12/can-you-read-misspelled-and-jumbled-up.html#!/2012/12/can-you-read-misspelled-and-jumbled-up.html


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nolabear

(41,936 posts)
8. LOL, me too. I'm 1) trying to get over it and 2) trying to figure out when that started.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:32 PM
Jul 2016

Not to sound TOO old, but I don't recall hearing that particular style of speech outside of places like New York before,say, twenty years ago. It seems to have become more pervasive and not attached to any particular accent or region.

 

Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
10. Yes it seemed very deliberate when it started about 20 years ago
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:36 PM
Jul 2016

I think it originally was supposed to sound babyish and cute

MADem

(135,425 posts)
22. I came up before Valley Speak and that noxious grate -y/gravel voice.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:05 PM
Jul 2016

No one called a girl or woman "dude." A "dude" was either a dandy in unsuitable fancy clothes, someone who never worked a day in their life (hence, the "Dude Ranch&quot or, later, an identifier for a male during those "hippie years" in the sixties and seventies "Hey, dude, don't bogart that thing, maaaaan."

That said, language does change. No one says "groovy" or "hep cat" anymore, except to be ironic.

Blaukraut

(5,693 posts)
9. Pretty annoying. Noticed it with other words, too.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:34 PM
Jul 2016

It's done when it's difficult to pronounce the 'T' the American way.(softer, almost like a 'D', or dropped altogether. Examples: Autumn. Winter. Most Americans pronounce them 'Audumn', and 'Winner') as opposed to the British way. Hard 'T').

DemonGoddess

(4,640 posts)
11. probably not taught to properly enunciate, really
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:36 PM
Jul 2016

something that we learned when singing, by the way. Explosive t

 

Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
14. Of course it's trivial - never said it was anything but.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:46 PM
Jul 2016

I'm sure you have things that drive you up a wall too. But maybe not.

obamanut2012

(26,047 posts)
40. That is how you pronounce "Clinton" in a big chunk of the US
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:16 PM
Jul 2016

No T.

It is as correct as the way you say it.

Hekate

(90,561 posts)
17. Regional accents are what they are. American has more glottal stops than we think.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:49 PM
Jul 2016

But yes, I was raised to enunciate my Ts and INGs.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
18. Regional dialects differ.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:50 PM
Jul 2016

It might even be (dare I say it) linguistic discrimination to criticize someone for their regional accent.

 

Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
19. But I don't think really think it's regional. It's something that's come into fashion.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 08:57 PM
Jul 2016

I live in the Bay Area and noticed it here, so not an eastern regional thing. I read recently that what we think of as an English accent is actually something that came into vogue in the mid 1700s and is why American English doesn't have soft Rs like in England. It started in London and spread through the country. Before that The English accent was closer to our standard American accent.

Binkie The Clown

(7,911 posts)
37. Since we don't all speak like Shakespeare...
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:08 PM
Jul 2016

fads and fashions in language come and go.

With language, only two things are constant: 1) It's always changing, and 2) the older generation is always complaining about those changes.

Stinky The Clown

(67,762 posts)
21. Its called a glottal stop
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:03 PM
Jul 2016

It is neither lazy nor an affectation. It is part of an accent and completely unintentional.

We Democrats are more tolerant of such things.

greymattermom

(5,751 posts)
23. It's regional.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:07 PM
Jul 2016

Instead of complaining, let's start making a note of where folks are from, and list whether they say the t or not. The front man of one of my favorite bands says Moun..ain. Drives me crazy but I still love them. He's from Helena, Montana.

BumRushDaShow

(128,503 posts)
24. LOL
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:14 PM
Jul 2016

It's a fascinating dialect style. We have a local TV meteorologist who has a promo running about the station's weather reports where she talks about the differences in the area's micro-climates and when giving examples, she ends with "in the moun'ins". And every time I hear it I think the same thing. A "swallowed T"!!

BumRushDaShow

(128,503 posts)
30. I know that anyone here in Philly this week
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:26 PM
Jul 2016

will probably hear an earful of some wild Fluffian accents!! (e.g., Tweety has one version)

drthais

(870 posts)
36. although in the big picture it doesn't matter much...
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:55 PM
Jul 2016

and I'm sure we can all agree that, if one understands what another is saying
then all is well

I, for one, am tired of this kind of ridiculous fashion-speak.
no, it is not regional.
It is one more bastardization of speech.
It is a trend, and it is not cute.
I hear it everywhere, including from national news media.
somehow, the exclusion of the consonant 'T' doesn't seem to advance anything...
much like the dropping of entire words and replacing them with abbreviations or single letters.

Its' 'you', not 'U'!

oh well - life goes on
some of us will do things one way - some of us another.



obamanut2012

(26,047 posts)
38. I'm originally from NC, know lots of Clintons
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:13 PM
Jul 2016

Have a good friend who lives in Clinton, NC.

None of them say the "T." And neither do I.

All of us are overeducated, not backwoods hicks.

csziggy

(34,131 posts)
39. I don't care how it pronounced as long as Madam President precedes it!
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:15 PM
Jul 2016

And it can be a regional dialect thing.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
41. Being from Louisiana and Arkansas
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 11:17 PM
Jul 2016

I doubt coming up I ever pronounced it with the 'T'. And I met Bill when I was 14 in 1980.

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