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"USA, No More War!" (Original Post) bigtree Jul 2016 OP
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #1
Our nations security is one of the most important issues this election. grossproffit Jul 2016 #3
Thank YOU!!! ronnykmarshall Jul 2016 #12
He sounded like a person who can reach out and get military voters. Joe the Revelator Jul 2016 #6
Exactly SirBrockington Jul 2016 #8
Please tell me that was sarcasm MelSC Jul 2016 #10
He sounded nothing like Trump. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #15
General John R. Allen is an amazing endorsement. I couldn't be more proud. grossproffit Jul 2016 #2
Yes SirBrockington Jul 2016 #7
appreciate all of our Democratic supporters. bigtree Jul 2016 #9
They could show respect MFM008 Jul 2016 #4
I'm with you. I wish to thank your father for his service. grossproffit Jul 2016 #11
Thanks MFM008 Jul 2016 #47
Exactly MelSC Jul 2016 #13
plenty of anti-war vets out there bigtree Jul 2016 #14
These people aren't veterans. Drunken Irishman Jul 2016 #22
THIS! grossproffit Jul 2016 #24
I don't think chanting 'no more war' bigtree Jul 2016 #25
You dont? SirBrockington Jul 2016 #26
indeed bigtree Jul 2016 #29
It was a disgusting display of hate. Drunken Irishman Jul 2016 #31
I disagree bigtree Jul 2016 #34
When it's tied to shouting down a disabled veteran, yeah it is. Drunken Irishman Jul 2016 #35
I don't think anyone was 'shouted down' bigtree Jul 2016 #36
If they had their way, absolutely he would have...and they're planning even more for Hillary. Drunken Irishman Jul 2016 #37
I'm only interested in speaking to this particular incident bigtree Jul 2016 #39
There is a place MFM008 Jul 2016 #48
dissent bigtree Jul 2016 #49
This. PragmaticLiberal Jul 2016 #18
The last person I'd heckle would have been the General. VulgarPoet Jul 2016 #42
This is the one time I'm okay flamingdem Jul 2016 #5
My Dads a Korean war vet and it pissed him off big time MattP Jul 2016 #16
I am very thankful for people like your dad MelSC Jul 2016 #20
The amount of military support Hillary is getting... MelSC Jul 2016 #17
I'm sure Trump's getting a kick out of it too. sufrommich Jul 2016 #19
nothing like a strong military that never has to go to war. What a message and endorsement. glennward Jul 2016 #21
Me too. Well said. grossproffit Jul 2016 #30
Too bad the whole hall didn't join in "no more war"... Barack_America Jul 2016 #23
In the context no it wasn't, sounded like a bunch of assholes... tRump says America is NOT great uponit7771 Jul 2016 #27
That would have been great. David__77 Jul 2016 #28
Chanting 'no more war' is simplistic and banal SharonClark Jul 2016 #32
Wow. Pathetic SirBrockington Jul 2016 #33
As someone who is passionate about medical care for our veterans... Barack_America Jul 2016 #40
Thank you. The amount of hippie-punching on this site recently is very disheartening. n/t JustinL Jul 2016 #38
when chanting 'no more war' is portrayed as threatening bigtree Jul 2016 #41
Go ask the Tutsi people mythology Jul 2016 #43
slogans are simplistic bigtree Jul 2016 #44
+1 Exactly B Calm Jul 2016 #46
The thing that bothers me is that there is really Skidmore Jul 2016 #45

Response to bigtree (Original post)

 

Joe the Revelator

(14,915 posts)
6. He sounded like a person who can reach out and get military voters.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:31 PM
Jul 2016

We have a military. We can't pretend that we don't. We need to defeat ISIS, we need to conduct ourselves with honor in war.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
15. He sounded nothing like Trump.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:36 PM
Jul 2016

And that was thirty some retired Admirals and Generals standing on stage telling people Trump cannot be President and we must elect Clinton.

That sounds like Trump to you?

SirBrockington

(259 posts)
7. Yes
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:32 PM
Jul 2016

Courageous for him to do from that as well to provide that endorsement. The Vast majority of Generals are Republican.

bigtree

(85,971 posts)
9. appreciate all of our Democratic supporters.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:33 PM
Jul 2016

...I'd like to see the brass followed by a contingent of peace advocates.

MFM008

(19,803 posts)
4. They could show respect
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:31 PM
Jul 2016

To veterns, people who have sacrificed like my dad 23 years and shut the fuk up.

MelSC

(256 posts)
13. Exactly
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:35 PM
Jul 2016

Completely disrespectful to heckle our military. No matter what your views are, these men sacrifice their lives.

bigtree

(85,971 posts)
14. plenty of anti-war vets out there
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:36 PM
Jul 2016

...with the U.S. still engaging in strident military deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan, not forgetting the military strikes, as well.

I think there should be respect shown for dissent, as well as support.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
22. These people aren't veterans.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:39 PM
Jul 2016

They're privileged white assholes who probably haven't sacrafised a goddamn day in their lives - and it shows, as they chant down a vet who lost his leg in war.

They're no better than those assholes at the GOP who mocked John Kerry with purple heart band-aids.

bigtree

(85,971 posts)
25. I don't think chanting 'no more war'
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:01 PM
Jul 2016

...is 'mocking' anyone.

My point about veterans stands. It was in response to the complaint about respecting the feelings of the poster's veteran father.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
31. It was a disgusting display of hate.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:09 PM
Jul 2016

Especially when it's toward someone who isn't even a politician but rather an average American who put their life on the line, and lost their leg, to defend this country. Heckling him like that might not be mocking but it's just as ugly

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
37. If they had their way, absolutely he would have...and they're planning even more for Hillary.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:24 PM
Jul 2016

Will you condone that too? It's rude. It's tasteless. It's ugly. They've done nothing to advance their cause and have embarrassed their movement. I'd be surprised if Bernie isn't completely mortified by these insane group of supporters.

bigtree

(85,971 posts)
39. I'm only interested in speaking to this particular incident
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:28 PM
Jul 2016

...it was likely Code Pink chanting 'no more war.'

I don't think it hurt any one or anything, and I don't believe it was meant to. Concern for soldiers and veterans is inherent in anti-war advocacy for peace.

bigtree

(85,971 posts)
49. dissent
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 08:49 PM
Jul 2016

...has always been respected here.

I don't think veterans have some sort of immunity from protest, especially when they're on a war rant.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
42. The last person I'd heckle would have been the General.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 10:38 AM
Jul 2016

For sheer fact that I'm currently in, getting medical'd because my knee is fucked beyond repair-- I know just how much a person has to bust his ass to get to where he is, and honestly, seeing people that a couple months prior, I'd have called my allies screaming their head off at him? Infuckingfuriating. Yes, I believe we need to withdraw from our conflicts. Yes, I believe that any war is war for wrong reasons-- but you don't shout down a wounded veteran. You never shout down a wounded veteran.

MelSC

(256 posts)
20. I am very thankful for people like your dad
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:38 PM
Jul 2016

He should be angry, the complete and utter disrespect is embarrassing.

MelSC

(256 posts)
17. The amount of military support Hillary is getting...
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:36 PM
Jul 2016

Which is rare for a Democrat, is telling of how dangerous they think Trump is. I'm pretty sure if McCain were running they'd be at the RNC not with us. I have never seen an election like this.

 

glennward

(989 posts)
21. nothing like a strong military that never has to go to war. What a message and endorsement.
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:39 PM
Jul 2016

Yes we would all like to have no more wars. But if we do, i would want men and women like those on stage to be fighting for us. Hope they and the military they represent never have to.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
23. Too bad the whole hall didn't join in "no more war"...
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 09:41 PM
Jul 2016

...including the vets on stage. Far more patriotic chant than "USA".

uponit7771

(90,301 posts)
27. In the context no it wasn't, sounded like a bunch of assholes... tRump says America is NOT great
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:05 PM
Jul 2016

... and we are saying it is great and can get better.

We're showing a diverse military Benedict Donald says is in shambles ...

No more war in this context was straight up asshole

SharonClark

(10,014 posts)
32. Chanting 'no more war' is simplistic and banal
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:17 PM
Jul 2016

That general works for peace harder and more effectively than those nasty chanters. He has more courage and brains in his pinky finger than the chanters have collectively.

SirBrockington

(259 posts)
33. Wow. Pathetic
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:17 PM
Jul 2016

25 vets commit suicide every day. Most because they get shitted on by privideged assholes the moment they
get back who don't even begin to get or understand their sacrifice. Too bad those who didn't agree with the concept of
conflict could have just
kept quiet or, OR, even perhaps stood up and applauded the MEDAL OF HONOR award winner who lost his leg so that
other vets watching, in similar situations, could see for themselves the support and respect the public would have and maybe, just maybe, feel appreciated just a little bit.

Barack_America

(28,876 posts)
40. As someone who is passionate about medical care for our veterans...
Thu Jul 28, 2016, 10:30 PM
Jul 2016

...we're going to have to disagree on this.

I'm going to guess that I have spent a bit more time actually working in VA hospitals with our vets than you have though.

bigtree

(85,971 posts)
41. when chanting 'no more war' is portrayed as threatening
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 10:11 AM
Jul 2016

...you gotta ask, who is threatened by advocacy for peace?

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
43. Go ask the Tutsi people
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 10:53 AM
Jul 2016

No more war is simplistic and ignores that there is a responsibility for inaction.

bigtree

(85,971 posts)
44. slogans are simplistic
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 11:17 AM
Jul 2016

...but that doesn't make anti-war sentiments 'irresponsible.' The implication is that warring is an inevitable response. There are myriad responsible and credible actions contemplated and proposed behind the protestations.

Have we really devolved here into a forum which upholds vacuous demonstrations of patriotism over principled dissent?

Skidmore

(37,364 posts)
45. The thing that bothers me is that there is really
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 11:26 AM
Jul 2016

little recognition of the complete and utter decimation of stability in the Middle East by the Bush administration. They thoroughly broke it and ripped open centuries old wounds. We and the rest of the world will be living with this for quite a long time. Good enough reason for never allowing Republicans in the WH or not making sure that Dems have clear majorities in both houses of Congress.

I hate war and I survived one there. It is not as simple as leaving. We should never have been there at all, but Bush & Cheney with Blair marched us there under false pretenses. The oil fields were lost before the initial assault on Baghdad had ended. There is more than one proxy war going on in the region. I don't know how any country disengages abruptly.

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