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TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 12:35 PM Jul 2016

Will she choose to continue the Sanders Revolution FTW?

To Win, Hillary Should Be Like Bernie, New Poll Suggests

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/new-poll-hillary-should-be-like-bernie_us_579ab05de4b08a8e8b5d79be?section=

Unsurprisingly, millennials, people of color and unmarried women ― all key Democratic constituencies ― strongly preferred both “stronger together” messages over the Trump-like “nationalist economic” one.

But the three groups also favored the “stronger together + rewrite the rules” by a larger margin than the “stronger together + build on progress” message.

Fifty-nine percent of millennials, 67 percent of minority voters and 54 percent of unmarried women viewed the “rewrite the rules” message positively. By contrast, 45 percent of millennials, 53 percent of minorities and 52 percent of unmarried women liked the “build on progress” message.
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Will she choose to continue the Sanders Revolution FTW? (Original Post) TalkingDog Jul 2016 OP
shocking, milennials prefer message of the guy they voted for nt geek tragedy Jul 2016 #1
And shocking SheenaR Jul 2016 #9
Agree. TalkingDog Jul 2016 #24
I'm an older, white male and I support the “stronger together + rewrite the rules” message! LongTomH Jul 2016 #2
The key is getting as many seats overturned in our favor as possible. TalkingDog Jul 2016 #13
This message was self-deleted by its author redstatebluegirl Jul 2016 #3
Tell it to the 900 people taking the poll TalkingDog Jul 2016 #6
opinion polls are not factual, they are opinions nt msongs Jul 2016 #29
Facts gathered about opinions from opinion polls are indeed facts. TalkingDog Jul 2016 #32
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #4
I'll just nod. TalkingDog Jul 2016 #5
"When they say things are not going well, they know what they’re talking about." Joseph Stiglitz... think Jul 2016 #7
Sanders doomed his revolution by creating false expectations, rejecting compromise, LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #8
Which makes your tag line incredibly ironic. TalkingDog Jul 2016 #10
Only if you refuse to acknowledge what happened throughout the campaign (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #12
So conditional acceptance of others is okay for thee, but not for me? TalkingDog Jul 2016 #15
Wow, that's way over the top. B Calm Jul 2016 #14
I hear ya. TalkingDog Jul 2016 #16
I don't think it is; the outcome was clear a month and a half ago, but instead of LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #19
Is this somebody you know? Just curious. TalkingDog Jul 2016 #22
No one I know (nt) LongtimeAZDem Jul 2016 #27
Sanders has energized many to run for office. It won't be evident this year as it takes time think Jul 2016 #18
LOL! Dawgs Jul 2016 #23
Four Years Sandersdemocrat2020 Jul 2016 #11
After a year of calling her camp weathervane... NCTraveler Jul 2016 #17
But if she truly does "do whatever polls indicate to get elected" TalkingDog Jul 2016 #20
I agree on both counts. Nt NCTraveler Jul 2016 #21
Should be the combo: stronger together. build on progress AND rewrite the rules. Appeals to all. andym Jul 2016 #25
This would work pretty well. VulgarPoet Jul 2016 #26
I have no interest in fixing what isn't broken TexasBushwhacker Jul 2016 #30
Like Roosevelt said: Chimichurri Jul 2016 #28
GOTV, GOTV, GOTFV n/t TexasBushwhacker Jul 2016 #31

LongTomH

(8,636 posts)
2. I'm an older, white male and I support the “stronger together + rewrite the rules” message!
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 12:40 PM
Jul 2016

I'm a Bernie supporter, and yeah, I'll vote for Hillary, and I'm actively campaigning for a number of Democratic candidates here in Missouri.

TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
13. The key is getting as many seats overturned in our favor as possible.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 01:02 PM
Jul 2016

And holding the POTUS' feet to the fire.

Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
6. Tell it to the 900 people taking the poll
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 12:49 PM
Jul 2016

Tell it to the pollsters

And tell it to Huffington Post.

If you want to have a knee jerk reaction to FACTUAL information, feel free. Just don't expect me to play along at home. Dissent is no longer allowed.

TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
32. Facts gathered about opinions from opinion polls are indeed facts.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 07:06 PM
Jul 2016

900 people responded to questions in a specific way. Those responses were tabulated. Percentages were assigned to the proportion of each response to the whole. FACTS.

I'm flummoxed by the uptick in truthiness among some Democrats. Did we catch that from the influx of Republicans to the party?

Response to TalkingDog (Original post)

 

think

(11,641 posts)
7. "When they say things are not going well, they know what they’re talking about." Joseph Stiglitz...
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 12:53 PM
Jul 2016

For those that didn't continue to read at the link...

Seventy-one percent of Americans believe the economy is “on the wrong track,” according to the Democracy Corps poll.

“When they say things are not going well, they know what they’re talking about,” Stiglitz said on Thursday, before sharing a series of statistics to substantiate his point.

“The median income of a full-time male worker is lower than it was 42 years ago,” he added. “The real wages at the bottom are roughly comparable to where they were 60 years ago.”

Regardless of Clinton’s political options, Stiglitz, Greenberg and many progressives in the audience expressed a hope that she will pursue a more populist path to the White House, which they believe will create the political rationale for a progressive agenda once she is in office.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/new-poll-hillary-should-be-like-bernie_us_579ab05de4b08a8e8b5d79be?section=

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
8. Sanders doomed his revolution by creating false expectations, rejecting compromise,
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 12:54 PM
Jul 2016

and denying the inevitable until the last possible moment. As a result, his die-hard followers had no effective plan for future action, just frustration and disillusion.

Whether a "rewrite the rules" narrative has any future will depend on how many actually stick with it.

LongtimeAZDem

(4,494 posts)
19. I don't think it is; the outcome was clear a month and a half ago, but instead of
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 01:10 PM
Jul 2016

shifting to a strategy of working together, the messages was "it's not over, take it to the convention".

and so, an awful lot of young people, in their first experience with national politics, were left totally unprepared for the obvious, inevitable reality. Instead of being prepared and equipped to carry on the message, they, quite predictably, reacted the way we all witnessed this week.

I don't blame them for their naiveté; I blame their experience political leaders, who knew better.

TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
22. Is this somebody you know? Just curious.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 01:21 PM
Jul 2016
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/289541-wikileaks-releases-hacked-dnc-voicemails

But multiple messages came from voters upset that the DNC was giving too much support to Sanders.

One caller with an Arizona area code called to blast the DNC for putting Sanders surrogate Cornel West on the platform drafting committee.

“I’m furious for what you are doing for Bernie Sanders,” another caller says in a message. “He’s getting way too much influence.

“What I see is the Democratic Party bending over backwards for Bernie,” adds the caller, who threatens to leave the party if the DNC doesn’t stop “coddling” the Vermont senator.
 

think

(11,641 posts)
18. Sanders has energized many to run for office. It won't be evident this year as it takes time
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 01:09 PM
Jul 2016

to prepare but it is still happening.

Sanders plans to start organizations to work at the grass roots level to make sure candidates can get funding to run without corporate money.

Bernie Sanders will launch organizations to spread progressive message

Nicole Gaudiano, USA TODAY 9:25 a.m. EDT July 15, 2016

~Snip~

Sanders plans to support at least 100 candidates running for a wide range of public offices — from local school boards to Congress — at least through the 2016 elections. And he’ll continue to raise funds for candidates while campaigning for them all over the country. He said he probably will campaign for Tim Canova, a progressive primary challenger to Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz of Florida, who chairs the Democratic National Committee.

“If we are successful, what it will mean is that the progressive message and the issues that I campaigned on will be increasingly spread throughout this country,” Sanders said. “The goal here is to do what I think the Democratic establishment has not been very effective in doing. And that is at the grass-roots level, encourage people to get involved, give them the tools they need to win, help them financially.”

Read more:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/07/15/bernie-sanders-progressive-message/87073052/


BERNIE SANDERS: Almost 7,000 of my supporters just signed up to run for office

Allan Smith - Jun. 17, 2016, 6:13 PM

Bernie Sanders has inspired thousands of supporters to express interest in running for political office.

After the Vermont senator made an impassioned plea to his supporters during a Thursday-night webcast to carry the "political revolution" forward, his campaign released a statement claiming that nearly 6,700 of his people said that they'd be interested in seeking elected office.

The supporters went to a portal on Sanders' campaign website, BernieSanders.com/win, and signed up to receive more information about running at the local or state level.

The campaign said that roughly 11,000 expressed interest in either running or volunteering to help other Sanders supporters run. ...

Read more:
http://www.businessinsider.com/bernie-sanders-supporters-2016-6


And there no false expectations at least for anyone that took the time to listen to him speak. The anger is due to the unfairness as exemplified by the the unfair treatment by the DNC as acknowledged by the Democratic party leadership as well as trust issues due to things in the past that many of us are trying to get past right now.

11. Four Years
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 01:01 PM
Jul 2016

I don't think that Bernie will run for the Presidency again. My hope is that Hillary wins and beats Trump badly. That said, it is also my hope that Hillary listens to the 12 million people who voted for Bernie in the Primaries. They are part of her constituency too.

My expectation is that Bernie will continue to lead the Political Revolution from the Senate. His goal will be to assert the Progressive Agenda. I think also he will help support new Progressive Candidates who are running for office.

For example, we have a great Progressive Candidate for Congress in New York named Zephyr Teachout. She is Progressive like Bernie. It is our hope that more and more Progressives will run for Office and win.

This is a political force that we hope Hillary will acknowledge if she wins. The Sanders Progressives could be great Allies with the more centrist Clinton Democrats, and could also help Hillary push her Policies through Congress.

I think it is time for us to come together to fight Trump and his kind. We Sanders Progressives and Clinton Center Left folks.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
17. After a year of calling her camp weathervane...
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 01:07 PM
Jul 2016

Changing for polls is now virtuous.

Love that aspect.

TalkingDog

(9,001 posts)
20. But if she truly does "do whatever polls indicate to get elected"
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 01:11 PM
Jul 2016

This should be a piece of cake.

I, personally, have found her behavior and (public) mindset rather ploddingly consistent.

andym

(5,441 posts)
25. Should be the combo: stronger together. build on progress AND rewrite the rules. Appeals to all.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 01:44 PM
Jul 2016

would be the case too if the platform could be passed.

VulgarPoet

(2,872 posts)
26. This would work pretty well.
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 01:46 PM
Jul 2016

I'm withholding faith until she's had a chance to make a couple moves, however, so I can see whether she holds to her word or not.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,043 posts)
30. I have no interest in fixing what isn't broken
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 03:02 PM
Jul 2016

HOWEVER, just like choosing to demolish and build from scratch rather than remodel, sometimes that is the quickest, easiest and most cost efficient way to get what you want.

So, for example, while Obamacare was a Big Fucking Deal as Uncle Joe said, we still pay far more than countries that have single payer systems and get far less in terms of quality of care and number of people covered.

Chimichurri

(2,911 posts)
28. Like Roosevelt said:
Fri Jul 29, 2016, 01:49 PM
Jul 2016

"I agree with you, I want to do it, now make me do it."
We must not get apathetic. She needs us to push so she has a cavalry when she fights

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