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renie408

(9,854 posts)
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 01:38 PM Jul 2016

Seriously, Donald Trump is mentally unstable. Like, there is a name and..

a medication for what is wrong with him, I feel sure.

Shouldn't there be some way to disqualify him for running for office based on the fact that he is batshit insane? And if there isn't, there needs to be.

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Seriously, Donald Trump is mentally unstable. Like, there is a name and.. (Original Post) renie408 Jul 2016 OP
Sadly, the US apparently has no procedure for dealing with high level individuals with mental RKP5637 Jul 2016 #1
Showing many of the classic signs of schizophrenia Doodley Jul 2016 #2
He often talks about himself in the third person, too. randome Jul 2016 #11
Major Human Flaw: Some people refer to themselves in the third person. KewlKat Jul 2016 #25
"Exaggerated view" hits the mark. Trump is apparently not a very good businessman. randome Jul 2016 #33
He's a narcissistic sociopath. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #3
Oh really? jberryhill Jul 2016 #4
Jeez, buddy...literal much?? renie408 Jul 2016 #7
Who wrote the Constitution ... GeorgeGist Jul 2016 #12
Some people jberryhill Jul 2016 #15
Maybe the people could decide that allowing psychopaths to be President is a bad idea? renie408 Jul 2016 #16
Okay jberryhill Jul 2016 #18
So, at this point I am thinking you have two options renie408 Jul 2016 #20
The Electoral College is a safety valve that could be used stopbush Jul 2016 #30
Fascist have a medical term? B Calm Jul 2016 #5
Did you see that he implied that Mrs. Khan wasn't allowed to speak at the convention? writes3000 Jul 2016 #6
Bwhaha, fucking idiot never stops giving. B Calm Jul 2016 #8
This is what campaigns are for. Ilsa Jul 2016 #9
Hopefully enough voters will realize this treestar Jul 2016 #10
It's called bipolar. JaneyVee Jul 2016 #13
Both narcissistic and sociopathic personality disorders elias7 Jul 2016 #14
That would be my unprofessional diagnosis. smirkymonkey Jul 2016 #19
He does not. Neither Schitz or BiPolar. Advanced Narcissism=absolutely MichiganVote Jul 2016 #39
no restrictions on insane people running 4 President. BUT, there is a petition to deny hima security Bill USA Jul 2016 #17
Narcissitic Personality Disorder. backscatter712 Jul 2016 #21
I don't think that there is a medication for Narcissistic Personality Disorder. yardwork Jul 2016 #22
Oh, I think it is more than that. renie408 Jul 2016 #23
People with personality disorders are really, really crazy. I know several. yardwork Jul 2016 #24
To be blunt... NCTraveler Jul 2016 #31
Correct. No medication as it is a personality disorder. MichiganVote Jul 2016 #40
What is a narcissistic sociopath? KewlKat Jul 2016 #26
That /. I think it is that up there. renie408 Jul 2016 #27
No, there should be absolutely no procedure in place. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #28
I apologize renie408 Jul 2016 #34
I don't recognize the harshness in my reply. NCTraveler Jul 2016 #35
Then I am sorry this time... renie408 Jul 2016 #37
Well, bless your heart. truebluegreen Jul 2016 #38
THE MALIGNANT PERSONALITY: KewlKat Jul 2016 #29
There is no pill for a sociopath. n/t Avalux Jul 2016 #32
Narcissistic Personality Disorder BainsBane Jul 2016 #36
After this election I'm sure the name for the insanity will be duncang Jul 2016 #41
Unfortunately there is no name nor effective treatment for Narcissistic Personality Disorder. pnwmom Jul 2016 #42

RKP5637

(67,088 posts)
1. Sadly, the US apparently has no procedure for dealing with high level individuals with mental
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 01:46 PM
Jul 2016

issues. We have no idea WTF is with this guy, other than he acts deranged. For all we know, he could have a developing brain tumor making him act so bizarre.

Doodley

(9,048 posts)
2. Showing many of the classic signs of schizophrenia
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 01:48 PM
Jul 2016
Behavioral: social isolation, disorganized behavior, aggression, agitation, compulsive behavior, excitability, hostility, repetitive movements, self-harm, or lack of restraint

Cognitive: thought disorder, delusion, amnesia, belief that an ordinary event has special and personal meaning, belief that thoughts aren't one's own, disorientation, memory loss, mental confusion, slowness in activity, or false belief of superiority

Mood: anger, anxiety, apathy, feeling detached from self, general discontent, inability to feel pleasure, elevated mood, or inappropriate emotional response

Psychological: hallucination, paranoia, hearing voices, depression, fear, persecutory delusion, or religious delusion

Speech: circumstantial speech, incoherent speech, rapid and frenzied speaking, or speech disorder


http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/schizophrenia/basics/symptoms/con-20021077
 

randome

(34,845 posts)
11. He often talks about himself in the third person, too.
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 02:30 PM
Jul 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]There is nothing you can't do if you put your mind to it.
Nothing.
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KewlKat

(5,624 posts)
25. Major Human Flaw: Some people refer to themselves in the third person.
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 07:50 PM
Jul 2016

Major Human Flaw: Some people refer to themselves in the third person.

Response No. 1, by Elsa Ronningstam, associate clinical professor of psychology at Harvard Medical School and author of Identifying and Understanding the Narcissistic Personality:

Referring to yourself in the third person creates distance between "I" and "he." So if you have an exaggerated view of how great you are, you could be using this distance to make yourself even bigger. Or, if you've achieved major success suddenly, using the third person could be a way to adjust to the bigger role that's been assigned to you. It's a way to enlarge yourself to fit that role.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
33. "Exaggerated view" hits the mark. Trump is apparently not a very good businessman.
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 08:09 PM
Jul 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]I'm always right. When I'm wrong I admit it.
So then I'm right about being wrong.
[/center][/font][hr]

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
4. Oh really?
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 01:51 PM
Jul 2016

There is no question he's a nut.

So, who would you like to put in charge of this "Office of Deciding Who Can Run?"

A democracy leaves these kinds of decisions to the voters.

To be president, one must be:

At least 35,
Born a citizen, and
A US resident for the last 14 years.

That's it. That's all. You can be crazy as a shithouse rat, a convicted felon, whatever. An edge case would be whether the person is mentally competent to take an oath, but I doubt someone in, say, a persistent vegetative state would win an election - although after W I'm iffy on that one.

The notion of putting some person or group of people "in charge of who can run" is a dangerous one that should be rejected in a democracy.
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
15. Some people
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 03:17 PM
Jul 2016

...who left it entirely open to revision.

Who should decide who can run for office? An appointed godlike entity, or the people?

renie408

(9,854 posts)
16. Maybe the people could decide that allowing psychopaths to be President is a bad idea?
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 03:19 PM
Jul 2016

But I get your point and was not seriously implying that we should have Presidential candidates examined by a panel of mental health experts.

I mean, who would the Republicans find to nominate?

But thinking about it...wouldn't that save us all a lot of chaos?

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
18. Okay
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 04:22 PM
Jul 2016

So we have the Commissioner of Crazy Candidates, appointed by whom?

Licensed psychologists can and will do anything for money, ethics be damned. The esteemed guardians of our mental health were all too happy to become torture advisors to the W administration.

So who makes this decision?

The provisions by which a crazy president can be removed by the Cabinet are interesting, since the president still gets to say "I'm not crazy."

So how about we have Congress appoint the Commissioner. You want Paul Ryan appointing the person who decides whether Hillary is allowed to run?

renie408

(9,854 posts)
20. So, at this point I am thinking you have two options
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 06:31 PM
Jul 2016

Option A: You admit to extremely poor reading comprehension skills.

Option B: You admit that you didn't really read what I wrote.

WAIT!!

There is an....

Option C: You admit you just like to rant.

I am cool with whatever you want to go with!!

stopbush

(24,392 posts)
30. The Electoral College is a safety valve that could be used
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 08:03 PM
Jul 2016

to deny an elected candidate the presidency.

Ilsa

(61,690 posts)
9. This is what campaigns are for.
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 02:17 PM
Jul 2016

This is the time to stress the candidates and do our due diligence on them.

elias7

(3,991 posts)
14. Both narcissistic and sociopathic personality disorders
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 03:09 PM
Jul 2016

Being familiar with a lot of psych people, I would disagree that he exhibits any signs of schizophrenia or bipolar disorder.

Bill USA

(6,436 posts)
17. no restrictions on insane people running 4 President. BUT, there is a petition to deny hima security
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 03:26 PM
Jul 2016

briefing. EVERY member of DU should be signing this --- if you care about national security!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2311162

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
21. Narcissitic Personality Disorder.
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 07:29 PM
Jul 2016

If you look that disorder up in the DSM, you'd find Donald Trump's picture in there.

Unfortunately for the rest of us, there's no effective treatment.

yardwork

(61,539 posts)
22. I don't think that there is a medication for Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 07:46 PM
Jul 2016

Years of intensive psychotherapy would help him, but he would have to admit that he has a problem first, and the symptoms of his mental illness make that unlikely.

He is unlikely to ever change.

renie408

(9,854 posts)
23. Oh, I think it is more than that.
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 07:48 PM
Jul 2016

He is really crazy. Not sort of crazy. I mean, really REALLY crazy.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
31. To be blunt...
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 08:03 PM
Jul 2016

I think many people going around talking about mental health issues are very uneducated as to the topic. Even this op has conflated, or at a minimum simplified the unsimplifyable, to a point there is no basis in the argument they present.

KewlKat

(5,624 posts)
26. What is a narcissistic sociopath?
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 07:54 PM
Jul 2016

- A narcissistic sociopath is someone with a combination of narcissistic personality disorder and definitive behavioral signs of sociopathy.

- People with narcissism are characterized by their excessive and persistent need for others’ admiration and positive reinforcement. They generally have grandiose opinions of themselves and believe they are superior to other people. Narcissists are also frequently convinced that they are above the normal responsibilities and obligations of everyday life, so they usually have significant difficulties maintaining employment or relationships as a result.

- The narcissistic sociopath has this type of personality along with a noticeable lack of regard for the rights of others and a tendency to regularly violate those rights.

- The narcissist with the sociopathy reacts strongly and sometimes even violently to negative feedback. True sociopaths generally do not respond to criticism or care what others may think of them.

- A narcissistic sociopath is unable to tolerate criticism and needs constant praise, as well as deference from other people. Many with this condition present themselves in the best light possible and are able to easily charm others to gain their trust.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
28. No, there should be absolutely no procedure in place.
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 08:00 PM
Jul 2016

And I believe you are equating mental health issues with instability in the way you have worded this. Those with mental health issues have every right to run in an unfettered manner and its up to us to decide who gets our vote.

renie408

(9,854 posts)
34. I apologize
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 08:12 PM
Jul 2016

for being light hearted about a serious subject.

I should never joke about anything here. I keep forgetting that part of the liberal code is taking everything literally and always being completely PC. You have to forgive me. I am a Southern liberal. I am sure I am not doing it right.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
35. I don't recognize the harshness in my reply.
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 08:16 PM
Jul 2016

I will say I don't find this to be a lighthearted issue and we have Frist's around every corner.

He's bat shit crazy. That's good enough. Your lightheartedness sweeps up many of us on this board.

renie408

(9,854 posts)
37. Then I am sorry this time...
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 08:18 PM
Jul 2016

I thought I was getting a wrist slap.

I oftentimes feel like I don't fit in great here and I let that color my reading. I apologize!

KewlKat

(5,624 posts)
29. THE MALIGNANT PERSONALITY:
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 08:02 PM
Jul 2016
THE MALIGNANT PERSONALITY: These people are mentally ill and extremely dangerous! The following precautions will help to protect you from the destructive acts of which they are capable. To recognize them, keep the following guidelines in mind:

(1) They are habitual liars. They seem incapable of either knowing or telling the truth about anything.

(2) They are egotistical to the point of narcissism. They really believe they are set apart from the rest of humanity by some special grace.

(3) They scapegoat; they are incapable of either having the insight or willingness to accept responsibility for anything they do. Whatever the problem, it is always someone else’s fault.

(4) They are remorselessly vindictive when thwarted or exposed.

(5) Genuine religious, moral, or other values play no part in their lives. They have no empathy for others and are capable of violence. Under older psychological terminology, they fall into the category of psychopath or sociopath, but unlike the typical psychopath, their behavior is masked by a superficial social facade.


He displays all of these tendancies as well!!!

pnwmom

(108,955 posts)
42. Unfortunately there is no name nor effective treatment for Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 02:28 AM
Jul 2016

He is so completely self-absorbed that other people aren't real to him -- they are just reflections in the mirror.

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