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Clinton Opens Up Wide Lead Over Trumphttps://politicalwire.com/2016/07/30/clinton-opens-up-wide-lead-over-trump/
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The new RABA Research tracking poll shows Hillary Clinton has opened a significant lead over Donald Trump, now leading him by 15 points, 46% to 31%, with Gary Johnson at 7% and Jill Stein sits at 2%.
A similar poll conducted the day after the Republican convention showed Clinton ahead by only five points.
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liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)Response to liberal N proud (Reply #1)
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Doodley
(9,076 posts)BigDemVoter
(4,149 posts)Zambero
(8,962 posts)Hopefully we'll see a pattern with other polls in the days ahead. As it stands with this one, give Donald back his 3% margin of error and two-thirds of undecideds, and Hillary still wins.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)And it has been repeatedly posted here.
Let's wait until Sunday/Monday when we have a full complement of polls to look at.
Chemisse
(30,806 posts)But we could be in for a letdown next week if we are sold on a 15-point lead.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Probably a batch of polls will come out on Monday that will paint a clearer picture of where things stand right now.
Also, generally speaking, I don't think these national polls mean a whole lot at this point.
It's really all about a handful of states.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)ToxMarz
(2,166 posts)If she maintains a lead like this or even increases it, I can see CONald Trump finding a reason that the Republican Party has slighted him and withdrawing from the race. I strongly believe he will NOT participate in ANY debates with her.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)ToxMarz
(2,166 posts)But I would imagine he can withdraw if he wants. Good question, if 60 million people wrote in a vote and the person was elected, is he forced to serve? I dunno.
anamandujano
(7,004 posts)He has wasted their time and money. If he determines he can't win, he'll let someone else take the hit. The scary thing is that the whole world will breathe a sign of relief and by comparison any of the other losers who might run will look spectacular.
I know, I know, I should change my name to Chicken Little.
ToxMarz
(2,166 posts)They wouldn't put up any of their strong candidates (and none would take the bait) as that would make them already losers in the next election. And why waste money and further embarrass themselves with someone who would even consider it (they would be shameless self promoters to even get involved).
anamandujano
(7,004 posts)I would love that but not holding my breath, anymore than I already am anyway.
NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)good news, but is RABA the Democratic version of Rasmussen?
democrattotheend
(11,605 posts)I looked at their methodology, and it has a reasonable margin of error (3.2), and a reasonable sample size, 956, which is a bit small for a national poll but not outside the range of reasonable. They have a Republican partner they do it with.
On the other hand, it is an online poll and they don't explain whether anyone could participate or whether people were selected for it. I am also skeptical of a purely online poll, because it probably undercounts seniors or skews toward more technically literate seniors. Most reputable pollsters will supplement online surveys with some phone interviews. It does not appear this was done here.
That said, even if there are flaws with a poll's methodology, assuming the methodology used is consistent across polls, they can be useful for measuring trends if not the actual vote.
treestar
(82,383 posts)Even the Rs don't want Trump, most of them. Anyone can tell by his temperament that he would suck as POTUS and embarrass us before the world.
mountain grammy
(26,605 posts)onecent
(6,096 posts)anamandujano
(7,004 posts)especially when we get closer to Nov, is that it's not real until we vote.
I know that's obvious but I get the same fear whenever a poll favoring Dems is posted.
applegrove
(118,577 posts)the very day of the vote.
anamandujano
(7,004 posts)"Let's make it real by voting" or words to that effect.
nikto
(3,284 posts)Thank God.
applegrove
(118,577 posts)StraightRazor
(260 posts)I guess that rule of thumb only applies to polls that reflect desired outcomes.
This poll represents what the numbers 'should' be, but they're not.
tavernier
(12,374 posts)but i heard today that Nate's numbers have Trump closing in and that scares me.
Damned predictors!!!
MFM008
(19,803 posts)He goes up every day.
I want to hear WHY.
Silver already missed a couple predictions.
Maybe we'll hear more next week.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)Skid Rogue
(711 posts)but with a margin like that we could easily take back the Senate.... and put a big dent in the House.