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applegrove

(118,577 posts)
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 06:34 PM Jul 2016

Clinton Opens Up Wide Lead Over Trump

Clinton Opens Up Wide Lead Over Trump

https://politicalwire.com/2016/07/30/clinton-opens-up-wide-lead-over-trump/

"SNIP............

The new RABA Research tracking poll shows Hillary Clinton has opened a significant lead over Donald Trump, now leading him by 15 points, 46% to 31%, with Gary Johnson at 7% and Jill Stein sits at 2%.

A similar poll conducted the day after the Republican convention showed Clinton ahead by only five points.

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Clinton Opens Up Wide Lead Over Trump (Original Post) applegrove Jul 2016 OP
That could send Trump over the edge liberal N proud Jul 2016 #1
Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2016 #2
Thank God! My blood pressure is now back to normal! Doodley Jul 2016 #3
This despite CONSTANT troll polls showing them running neck & neck. BigDemVoter Jul 2016 #4
Those were Donald bump / pre-Hillary bump polls Zambero Jul 2016 #7
This is a single online poll from a company that has only existed for a few months oberliner Jul 2016 #5
I agree. I think we're all anxious for some reassurance, Chemisse Jul 2016 #26
Understood oberliner Jul 2016 #27
K & R Scurrilous Jul 2016 #6
Trump is obsessed with polls (and winning) ToxMarz Jul 2016 #8
Can the GOP remove him from the ballots? Cryptoad Jul 2016 #11
Well I don't know how that works ToxMarz Jul 2016 #12
I'll sign on to this. anamandujano Jul 2016 #18
i could see them not running anyone and taking the hit ToxMarz Jul 2016 #22
That's interesting. It would be Dem against Green and whatever other party is out there. anamandujano Jul 2016 #30
how good is this poll? NewJeffCT Jul 2016 #9
I am not familiar with this pollster democrattotheend Jul 2016 #24
that's more like it treestar Jul 2016 #10
I think he will continue to meltdown. mountain grammy Jul 2016 #13
I hope you are right!!! Love your name....lol onecent Jul 2016 #31
The important thing we have to mention whenever the numbers look this good, anamandujano Jul 2016 #14
I totally agree. We should not be complacent. We need to be in this until applegrove Jul 2016 #16
This should be a constant refrain of all Dems, especially Hillary. anamandujano Jul 2016 #20
Really? Wow. That was fast. Hope it holds, or increases. nikto Jul 2016 #15
Apparently it is not the most scientific of polls. applegrove Jul 2016 #17
I thought polls (especially online polls) were meaningless... StraightRazor Jul 2016 #19
I wish... tavernier Jul 2016 #21
I see that MFM008 Jul 2016 #28
yasss! Politicub Jul 2016 #23
This election is totally unpredictable.... Skid Rogue Jul 2016 #25
Steady as she goes, Hillary.. and we'll work like we're 20 points behind! Cha Jul 2016 #29
+1 applegrove Jul 2016 #32

Response to liberal N proud (Reply #1)

Zambero

(8,962 posts)
7. Those were Donald bump / pre-Hillary bump polls
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 07:10 PM
Jul 2016

Hopefully we'll see a pattern with other polls in the days ahead. As it stands with this one, give Donald back his 3% margin of error and two-thirds of undecideds, and Hillary still wins.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
5. This is a single online poll from a company that has only existed for a few months
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 06:59 PM
Jul 2016

And it has been repeatedly posted here.

Let's wait until Sunday/Monday when we have a full complement of polls to look at.

Chemisse

(30,806 posts)
26. I agree. I think we're all anxious for some reassurance,
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 09:41 PM
Jul 2016

But we could be in for a letdown next week if we are sold on a 15-point lead.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
27. Understood
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 09:45 PM
Jul 2016

Probably a batch of polls will come out on Monday that will paint a clearer picture of where things stand right now.

Also, generally speaking, I don't think these national polls mean a whole lot at this point.

It's really all about a handful of states.

ToxMarz

(2,166 posts)
8. Trump is obsessed with polls (and winning)
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 07:52 PM
Jul 2016

If she maintains a lead like this or even increases it, I can see CONald Trump finding a reason that the Republican Party has slighted him and withdrawing from the race. I strongly believe he will NOT participate in ANY debates with her.

ToxMarz

(2,166 posts)
12. Well I don't know how that works
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 08:15 PM
Jul 2016

But I would imagine he can withdraw if he wants. Good question, if 60 million people wrote in a vote and the person was elected, is he forced to serve? I dunno.

anamandujano

(7,004 posts)
18. I'll sign on to this.
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 08:31 PM
Jul 2016

He has wasted their time and money. If he determines he can't win, he'll let someone else take the hit. The scary thing is that the whole world will breathe a sign of relief and by comparison any of the other losers who might run will look spectacular.

I know, I know, I should change my name to Chicken Little.

ToxMarz

(2,166 posts)
22. i could see them not running anyone and taking the hit
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 08:39 PM
Jul 2016

They wouldn't put up any of their strong candidates (and none would take the bait) as that would make them already losers in the next election. And why waste money and further embarrass themselves with someone who would even consider it (they would be shameless self promoters to even get involved).

anamandujano

(7,004 posts)
30. That's interesting. It would be Dem against Green and whatever other party is out there.
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 03:02 PM
Jul 2016

I would love that but not holding my breath, anymore than I already am anyway.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
24. I am not familiar with this pollster
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 09:35 PM
Jul 2016

I looked at their methodology, and it has a reasonable margin of error (3.2), and a reasonable sample size, 956, which is a bit small for a national poll but not outside the range of reasonable. They have a Republican partner they do it with.

On the other hand, it is an online poll and they don't explain whether anyone could participate or whether people were selected for it. I am also skeptical of a purely online poll, because it probably undercounts seniors or skews toward more technically literate seniors. Most reputable pollsters will supplement online surveys with some phone interviews. It does not appear this was done here.

That said, even if there are flaws with a poll's methodology, assuming the methodology used is consistent across polls, they can be useful for measuring trends if not the actual vote.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
10. that's more like it
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 08:06 PM
Jul 2016

Even the Rs don't want Trump, most of them. Anyone can tell by his temperament that he would suck as POTUS and embarrass us before the world.

anamandujano

(7,004 posts)
14. The important thing we have to mention whenever the numbers look this good,
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 08:26 PM
Jul 2016

especially when we get closer to Nov, is that it's not real until we vote.

I know that's obvious but I get the same fear whenever a poll favoring Dems is posted.

anamandujano

(7,004 posts)
20. This should be a constant refrain of all Dems, especially Hillary.
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 08:34 PM
Jul 2016

"Let's make it real by voting" or words to that effect.

 

StraightRazor

(260 posts)
19. I thought polls (especially online polls) were meaningless...
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 08:32 PM
Jul 2016


I guess that rule of thumb only applies to polls that reflect desired outcomes.

This poll represents what the numbers 'should' be, but they're not.

tavernier

(12,374 posts)
21. I wish...
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 08:36 PM
Jul 2016

but i heard today that Nate's numbers have Trump closing in and that scares me.

Damned predictors!!!

MFM008

(19,803 posts)
28. I see that
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 09:50 PM
Jul 2016

He goes up every day.
I want to hear WHY.
Silver already missed a couple predictions.
Maybe we'll hear more next week.

Skid Rogue

(711 posts)
25. This election is totally unpredictable....
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 09:36 PM
Jul 2016

but with a margin like that we could easily take back the Senate.... and put a big dent in the House.

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