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Fri Aug 5, 2016, 11:52 AM

An apology.

This probably... Will wind up unseen by a much larger contingent than the first time I posted this. And yeah, I accept and own up to that. I've gone straight down to the bone trying to collate and wrap up and prettify all of the reasons I couldn't countenance the idea of pulling the lever for Clinton if it came down to it; and to be fair, I deserve my amount of flak for it. And looking back at old messages between myself and someone I used to viciously butt heads with, looking back at the people I'd considered allies only to have been MASSIVELY wrong after seeing the kind of things they'd post without direct DU oversight, I know exactly what's spurring this.

Trump is a bloody nightmare. I was willing to flay skin and muscle from bone to fight the primaries down to the very last second-- and then I had to start paying attention to Trump. A less qualified man has never been fielded in politics before; and as much as I get abrasive, as much as I get out and out hostile with people, I can't countenance letting him get into office. It was re-reading a candid talk with a poster who has once again been FFR'd-- altogether sure he'll come back and keep doing his thing regardless-- that brought me back to this topic, and another poster that said "I might have wanted to wait till after the convention to post this thread".

He was right. My timing was off, and I took that to believe the people I'd considered ideological enemies were more willing to dig a trench and shoot us in front of it rather than work across any kind of aisle that wasn't filled with concertina wire. I'll freely admit, my hostility, my abrasiveness, it drove me to a point of mania. Because no, I couldn't believe in Clinton, not until rereading old messages with people that I still have respect for.

"But, even still, our history as Black people in this nation has taught us that the "government", though imperfect, has been our guardians, from protecting the Freedman during Reconstruction, to integration and anti-discrimination enforcement."


"Though imperfect". In all the time I'd spent angry, absolutely incensed by both the numbers of Hillary's supporters who couldn't restrain being smarmy and condescending; and Bernie's supporters who stamped their feet, hurled blatantly sexist invective, and really comported themselves no better than the outrageously offensive fundamentalists I've spent years deriding where the other site's concerned, those two words never occurred to me. Wouldn't have occurred to me. "Though imperfect". That has a lot to do with how I was raised, but that doesn't matter right now; what matters is that we're not going to be able to get perfect. Would it be nice? You bet your ass. But we have have to make do at the end of the day.

So far, both sides have looked nasty at one point or another. I'm certain that for every insufferable Clinton supporter, there's an absolutely infuriating Sanders supporter, and vice versa. And I'm even more certain that a vast number here would call me an absolutely infuriating Sanders supporter. You'd have been right. I was a jackass. But once again, I find myself coming back to that poster's words; albeit mangled through my own language: it's about survival, dumbasses. Survive to be dealt into the next hand, and hope to bluff our way to the pot.

I don't think the election will be as simple as the pools will paint it. Sure, Trump is in single percentage point odds right now; but I don't think it'll be that easy. As such... I'd like to wholeheartedly apologize for the things I've said up till now, and the misinformation that I'd believed in that propped up a flawed image of our candidate. Let's get down to business, and get these recalcitrant fucktrumpets out of office already.

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Reply An apology. (Original post)
VulgarPoet Aug 2016 OP
stevenleser Aug 2016 #1
VulgarPoet Aug 2016 #3
ehrnst Aug 2016 #17
Happyhippychick Aug 2016 #2
Kaleva Aug 2016 #4
emulatorloo Aug 2016 #5
retrowire Aug 2016 #6
NastyRiffraff Aug 2016 #7
VulgarPoet Aug 2016 #9
JSup Aug 2016 #8
Squinch Aug 2016 #10
realmirage Aug 2016 #11
Starry Messenger Aug 2016 #12
Loki Aug 2016 #13
geek tragedy Aug 2016 #14
sofa king Aug 2016 #15
Demsrule86 Aug 2016 #16
Iggo Aug 2016 #18
PatrickforO Aug 2016 #19
Historic NY Aug 2016 #20
pnwmom Aug 2016 #21

Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)

Fri Aug 5, 2016, 11:56 AM

1. Someone utterly unqualified, but who knows they are utterly unqualified, would be much better than

 

Trump.

Trump adds to his being utterly unqualified, an insufferable arrogance and unjustified belief in knowing "how things work" better than other people.

That's the truly dangerous part.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #1)

Fri Aug 5, 2016, 12:00 PM

3. It's like watching a frat party beginning to go wrong.

We've gone past the point of "Hold my beer and watch this" to the performance part of what inevitably gets the party raided by cops. Trump is practically an amalgam of all of the worst parts of American culture-- and it still boggles the mind that he made it this far. I half expect to wake up tomorrow in 2017, to find out that this whole interlude was a fever dream, and that Clinton edged out a 2 point victory over Cruz.

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Response to stevenleser (Reply #1)

Fri Aug 5, 2016, 02:36 PM

17. Dunning-Kruger effect

 

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Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)

Fri Aug 5, 2016, 11:56 AM

2. Proud to K and R

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Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)

Fri Aug 5, 2016, 12:37 PM

4. K & R

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Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)

Fri Aug 5, 2016, 12:51 PM

5. K & R

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Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)

Fri Aug 5, 2016, 12:52 PM

6. totally agree

Man oh man.

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Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)

Fri Aug 5, 2016, 12:53 PM

7. Adding another K&R

I've seen many post mortem posts on DU from Sanders supporters declaring support for our nominee, but yours was the most eloquent (and probably one of the most honest). Thank you!

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Response to NastyRiffraff (Reply #7)

Fri Aug 5, 2016, 12:58 PM

9. I was raised to own up to my assholery.

And I won't sugar-coat it, I spewed a lot of shit that was untrue that only going back over it, the past few weeks, I'm beginning to believe was a deliberate smear job.

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Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)

Fri Aug 5, 2016, 12:53 PM

8. This...

people I'd considered allies only to have been MASSIVELY wrong after seeing the kind of things they'd post without direct DU oversight

were more willing to dig a trench and shoot us in front of it rather than work across any kind of aisle that wasn't filled with concertina wire

absolutely incensed by both the numbers of Hillary's supporters who couldn't restrain being smarmy and condescending


And this is why we don't (shouldn't) continue attacking Bernie and his supporters (his actual supporters, not the Busters who are not his supporters). Once people don't feel cornered they can stop being reactive and start thinking again; and most of us on both previous sides were in a reaction spiral that was feeding off of the previous real, or perceived, attack.

I don't remember any of your posts, VulgarPoet, but if everyone that said something stupid or terrible during the primaries had to apologize we'd all be apologizing until 2020.

I thank you for your heartfelt post. Now let's go win.

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Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)

Fri Aug 5, 2016, 01:26 PM

10. Normally I would enthusiastically K and R this, but we had another of these

"apology" threads a while back, after which the seemingly sincere OP went to another site to compose a "Hillary can fuck herself" thread shortly after his apparently heartfelt apology here.

So I am very happy to see someone as erudite as yourself coming over to my side, but I'll wait a while and enjoy your posts before I give you that big welcome hug.

An observation about your discussion of perfection: In a Democracy, if one group thinks the government is "perfect," that means the government is no longer a Democracy.

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Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)

Fri Aug 5, 2016, 01:38 PM

11. "Don't make perfect the enemy of the good"

 

I heard that phrase months ago and I think it's the best way to sum it up. It's one of those life lessons we all realize (or should) at some point, that life isn't perfect or even always fair but you have to find the good wherever it is and latch on to it so you can survive the day. I like the cards analogy you used.

We get to the top of the mountain not in one giant leap but in a series of steps.

"I walk slowly but I never walk backwards." - Lincoln

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Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)

Fri Aug 5, 2016, 01:52 PM

12. You had me at "recalcitrant fucktrumpets."

Let's kick their asses--maybe after this the GOP will be so scattered we can kick things up a notch or 10.

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Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)

Fri Aug 5, 2016, 02:08 PM

13. We will work together

and we will fight this ugliness that has infected our country. Vote like your life depends on it, because it does.

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Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)

Fri Aug 5, 2016, 02:10 PM

14. primaries are always hideously ugly around here.

 

general election is a much better time, especially when we're ahead

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Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)

Fri Aug 5, 2016, 02:11 PM

15. Well done!

I think that a mark of good character is the ability to change one's mind when presented with new evidence and changing facts.

Thank you for being a good person, and for having the courage to express your thoughts.

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Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)

Fri Aug 5, 2016, 02:13 PM

16. K&R There is more that unites us than separates us.

WE will beat the Trump menace and enact strong progressive policy and a progressive SCOTUS.

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Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)

Fri Aug 5, 2016, 02:43 PM

18. Meta!

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Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)

Fri Aug 5, 2016, 02:48 PM

19. Cool. The primaries are over and we all have to get behind Clinton now.

Because as you say, it is utterly unthinkable for us to allow a maggot like Trump anywhere near the White House and the nuclear football. That would just be stupid.

I loved what Obama said during his speech, didn't you? "We aren't done perfecting the union yet!"

I learned some things about Hillary that made me think much better of her. Yes, she still has some baggage, but much of that is the doing of the right wing noise machine. She actually IS qualified to be President, and will quite likely do a really good job, leaving the union a bit more 'perfected' than it was when she stepped in.

You all know from earlier posts of mine that at this point I'm voting FOR Clinton rather than AGAINST Trump. I think Bill Maher said it best when he said, "The Clintons are never going to be the first ones there, but they will get there."

The best thing that happened with the primaries is they gave Clinton permission to move a bit to the left, which is, I think, more how she actually feels. She will do fine and has my support.

Trump does not. He is an odious and malignant narcissist who shouldn't even be in the political arena because he cares NOTHING for anything or anyone but himself.

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Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)

Fri Aug 5, 2016, 02:50 PM

20. KQQL....

seriously we have to crush this demagogue, so that the ilk that follows him crawl back into the darkness. It up to all of us.

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Response to VulgarPoet (Original post)

Fri Aug 5, 2016, 02:56 PM

21. Thank you for re-thinking your positions. We all need to move on together to defeat the real enemy.

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