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Sat Aug 6, 2016, 11:37 AM

The New Yorker: "Trump and Putin: A Love Story"

"Trump and Putin: A Love Story: The attraction is mutual, but history shows who’s really using whom."

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/trump-and-putin-a-love-story

This is an excellent account of Putin's rise to power, his desire to restore the influence and power of the Soviet Union, his opposition to the policies of the Clintons and President Obama, and the advantage he sees in Trump's being elected president.

About Putin's ambitions for spreading Russian influence:

It is safe to say that, on a strictly intellectual level, Donald Trump understands little of this. In recent weeks, he has made it plain that he is ignorant of the basics of contemporary Russian and geostrategic reality. He has declared NATO “obsolete” and has suggested that he might do away with Article 5, which promises that an attack on one member state is an attack on all. He makes the threat not because he is interested in reassessing anything as complex as global-security strategy but, rather, because not every member state is forking over its dues.


On Trump's and his associates' economic ties with Russia:

Some analysts have said that Trump’s affection for Putin is based mainly on his own, and his circle’s, economic interests. Paul Manafort, his campaign manager, profited immensely as an adviser to Viktor Yanukovich, the pro-Russian (and now deposed) leader of Ukraine. (Manafort has also worked as a lobbyist for other dictators, including Mobutu Sese Seko, of Zaire, and Ferdinand Marcos, of the Philippines.) Carter Page, one of Trump’s foreign-policy advisers, has longstanding ties to Gazprom, a pillar of Russia’s energy industry. Donald Trump, Jr., has made it plain that the family has pursued opportunities in Russia for decades. “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets,” he said, in a speech in 2008 to a real-estate conference, according to the Washington Post. “We see a lot of money pouring in from Russia.” The public would have a more detailed sense of this if Trump were ever to release his tax returns.


Putin sees Trump as a useful idiot:

Vladimir Putin is a cunning and cynical reader of his adversaries. He notices that Trump does not know the difference between the Quds Force and the Kurds, or what the “nuclear triad” is; that his analysis of Brexit was based in part on what might be good for his golf courses in Britain; that his knowledge of world affairs is roughly that of someone who subscribes to a daily newspaper but doesn’t always have time to get to it. Overwhelmed with his own problems at home, Putin sees the ready benefit in having the United States led by an unlettered narcissist who believes that geostrategic questions are as easy to resolve as a real-estate closing. Putin knows a chump when he sees one.


A long article, but well worth the read. Another reason why it is dangerous to elect a moron as president.

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Koinos Aug 2016 OP
napkinz Aug 2016 #1
PatSeg Aug 2016 #4
napkinz Aug 2016 #11
PatSeg Aug 2016 #13
RapSoDee Aug 2016 #2
PatSeg Aug 2016 #5
Iliyah Aug 2016 #3
Wilms Aug 2016 #6
AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #7
Koinos Aug 2016 #9
AgadorSparticus Aug 2016 #16
annabanana Aug 2016 #8
Koinos Aug 2016 #10
annabanana Aug 2016 #12
Koinos Aug 2016 #15
workinclasszero Aug 2016 #14
Koinos Aug 2016 #18
workinclasszero Aug 2016 #19
Koinos Aug 2016 #20
workinclasszero Aug 2016 #21
Koinos Aug 2016 #22
TeamPooka Aug 2016 #17
DonCoquixote Aug 2016 #23
Koinos Aug 2016 #24
Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2016 #25
pampango Aug 2016 #26
BumRushDaShow Aug 2016 #27
tanyev Aug 2016 #28

Response to Koinos (Original post)

Sat Aug 6, 2016, 11:39 AM

1. love, exciting and new ...



















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Response to napkinz (Reply #1)

Sat Aug 6, 2016, 11:49 AM

4. Those are great

I love the Trump puppet!

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #4)

Sat Aug 6, 2016, 01:05 PM

11. a few more ...





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Response to napkinz (Reply #11)

Sat Aug 6, 2016, 01:06 PM

13. +1

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Response to Koinos (Original post)

Sat Aug 6, 2016, 11:41 AM

2. #ComradeTrump & Republican Cronies need our pity*

* No it isn't very pretty what a town without pity can do ooo oo.



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Response to RapSoDee (Reply #2)

Sat Aug 6, 2016, 11:50 AM

5. Great quote!

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Response to Koinos (Original post)

Sat Aug 6, 2016, 11:43 AM

3. Russia got it's trolls trying to deflect this but alas this will

slowly become a lead story.

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Response to Koinos (Original post)

Sat Aug 6, 2016, 12:19 PM

6. The author, David Remnick, supported the Iraq War.

 

Not sure he's qualified to comment on "useful idiots".

But I'll bet the cold warriors are loving this election cycle.

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Response to Koinos (Original post)

Sat Aug 6, 2016, 12:41 PM

7. What a brilliant way for Putin to get back at the U.S.

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Response to AgadorSparticus (Reply #7)

Sat Aug 6, 2016, 01:01 PM

9. Putin knows that a "President Trump" would destabilize the United States...

... and would fracture relations with European allies. He knows that the best way to defeat the opposition is to let it be destroyed from within. Having a complete narcissist moron as president would cause years of dissension and economic chaos in the United States. Putin believes that what is bad for the US is good for Russia. He also knows that narcissist morons can be bought with flattery as well as cash.

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Response to Koinos (Reply #9)

Sat Aug 6, 2016, 01:30 PM

16. Exactly. I agree with everything you said!

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Response to Koinos (Original post)

Sat Aug 6, 2016, 01:01 PM

8. He is, for Putin, the very definition of a

useful idiot...

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Response to annabanana (Reply #8)

Sat Aug 6, 2016, 01:04 PM

10. What gives me nightmares is the combination of a useful idiot president and an idiot Congress.

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Response to Koinos (Reply #10)

Sat Aug 6, 2016, 01:06 PM

12. no kidding

Hellooo nuclear winter

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Response to annabanana (Reply #12)

Sat Aug 6, 2016, 01:22 PM

15. No place to run from that either.

Trump has zero knowledge about anything, but ignorance about nuclear weapons and their consequences is not something we can live with in the White House. We cannot have a demented narcissist in charge of nuclear weapons. Even George Bush was not that stupid.

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Response to Koinos (Original post)

Sat Aug 6, 2016, 01:17 PM

14. Trump is a russian mole

 

for Putin.

The man is a national security threat. He refuses to release his financial info because it probably ties him directly to Russian interests.

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #14)

Sat Aug 6, 2016, 03:37 PM

18. Nothing like having a president who defaults on debts to oligarchs.

How can this be happening in our country? I hope the CIA digs deep on this.

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Response to Koinos (Reply #18)

Sat Aug 6, 2016, 03:49 PM

19. I guess that's what happens when an entire political

 

party sells its soul to the devil.

The republicans gave up on this country a long time ago and now we see the fruits of that with Trump.
A draft dodger that insults the memory of those that gave their life for the USA and admires dictators like Putin.

The republican party is an agent of a foreign dictator as far as I'm concerned.

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #19)

Sat Aug 6, 2016, 03:52 PM

20. Authoritarians are attracted to tyrants.

Republicans find democracy inconvenient.

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Response to Koinos (Reply #20)

Sat Aug 6, 2016, 06:12 PM

21. Funny how all those baggers that swear they love the constitution

 

and freedom have no problem jumping right in bed with Putin.

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Response to workinclasszero (Reply #21)

Sat Aug 6, 2016, 06:19 PM

22. There is a rotten part of each of us that longs for being told what to do.

Thinking is hard. Making choices is hard. Letting others think and choose for us makes life a whole lot easier. But that attraction to despotism is nothing but a temptation to cease being human, to give up the sapiens in homo sapiens.

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Response to Koinos (Original post)

Sat Aug 6, 2016, 01:48 PM

17. Russia, Russia, Russia, that should be our focus. His most corrupt actions are with Russia

It's an issue and place that still resonates with Americans over 40 as a real threat left over from the cold war.
Trump is a Russian dupe and we need to hit this for the next 95 days.
Trump knows it too.
That's why he did the Ryan McCain diversion and quickly backtracked, to get the mainstream press off Russia.
Keep the Russia pressure on.

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Response to Koinos (Original post)

Sun Aug 7, 2016, 06:45 AM

23. the meat of the matter

"Putin sees the ready benefit in having the United States led by an unlettered narcissist who believes that geostrategic questions are as easy to resolve as a real-estate closing. Putin knows a chump when he sees one."

Especially as, even if, especially if disaster happens, he would have propaganda material that could last well into the next century. This is NOT happening in a vacuum, especially if Marine Le Pen wins in France, and Merkel loses in Germany. Then Europe can be led by a bunch of Pro Putin people, which is NOT the same as the old red scare, as Putin's policy on race is actually very, very much closer to the right wing. Anti Muslim, Anti-intellectual, Anti-Gay, and hateful of any woman that is not a line tower.

What the GOP cannot admit is that they are closer to modern Russia than they are to the USA

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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #23)

Sun Aug 7, 2016, 06:57 AM

24. I agree.

If NATO nations erode from within, Putin wins. Putin's effort to undermine Western democratic nations is appearing all over Europe. Trump would be Putin's most important trophy.

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Response to Koinos (Original post)

Sun Aug 7, 2016, 07:17 AM

25. Trump loves him some Putin

Just keep your shirt on when you two go horseback riding. Okay Donald?

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Response to Koinos (Original post)

Sun Aug 7, 2016, 07:44 AM

26. In all fairness to Trump, you could link Putin to every right-wing policitian in Europe

today. Donald, though he certainly qualifies as a Putin-buddy, is just the most recent in a long line of conservatives who love them some Vladimir.

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Response to Koinos (Original post)

Sun Aug 7, 2016, 08:26 AM

27. Excellent article



And with respect to Trump himself, this part explains it all -

Soft, surly, and academically uninterested, Donald was disruptive in class—so much so that his father, a real-estate tycoon of the outer boroughs, shipped him off to military school when he was thirteen.


I knew kids growing up during the early-mid '70s who were similarly "disruptive in class" and rather than be sent to Daniel Boone (what was one of the public schools here in Philly for kids with disciple issues), they were sent to Valley Forge Military Academy.

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Response to Koinos (Original post)

Sun Aug 7, 2016, 08:35 AM

28. If Trump still subscribes to a daily newspaper I bet he has someone look for articles about him

and that's all he reads.

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