HEADS UP Clinton supporters

[WilliamPitt]

I was for Bernie. But if you're looking for something to convince people to vote for her, this is the article of the year. This fine gentleman was Solicitor General before SCOTUS and is a professor at Harvard. My family has been proud to call him a friend for many years.

You're welcome.

P.S. Non-Hill people: Read this, too. It is also the ultimate defenestration of Trump and the GOP.

The Clinton Imperative
http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2016/08/08/the-clinton-imperative/ewfZ4mdrNg0HEG1wP5jTeM/story.html

[MichiganVote]

1. He's a nutjob-edited to add, meaning Trump.

[WilliamPitt]

2. Who is? The author?

?

[MichiganVote]

3. Sorry Will, you were quicker than I was. I edited to mean Trump. See above.

[WilliamPitt]

4. Coolio

The author is a conservative, btw, but hardly a nutjob.

Thanks.

[MichiganVote]

8. No, I read it. He was concise, concerned, etc. I think for the conservative crowd it fits the bill.

For liberals-well, hard to define just who the heck that is these days, they may say 'well duh'. For the moderates I know-they are done with DT. Too extreme. Or so my life experience tells me. They are more interested in Clinton, in part, b/c she has been endorsed by so many military. The issue that I have found most resonated with the voters I know who find Trump unappealing has been the Gold Star family debacle. That has really rankled people.

It will be interesting to see the after election demographic mop up. It should get the attention of the Dem. party and pundits etc. We have some seriously misinformed, hyper suspicious, extremely upset people in this country. Guns are the symptom but this election is an awareness lesson for all.

[Maru Kitteh]

50. Right. A nutjob would vote 3rd party. A nutjob would wrtie someone in instead of voting for HRC,

the only candidate who can keep Trump out of the White House. Only a sanctimonious asshole of a nutjob would do that. Right? Or someone who is unable to distinguish conscience from ego.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

5. Thank you for posting. Wow.

I know you have a lot of problems with Clinton but I believe with all my heart Trump is contemptuous of small d democracy and the rule of law. He is just a bad guy.

[underpants]

6. Great article but I was hoping for something positive about Hillary

In trying to bring people on board, especially when canvassing, I have found that it's best to convey the positives about your candidate (product) and completely ignore the competition.

[SunSeeker]

9. Exactly. nt

[Capt. Obvious]

23. Very true. People want to vote FOR someone not against someone.

That increases turnout.

[NCTraveler]

26. .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512353651

[underpants]

37. Thanks. I've marked it.

[NCTraveler]

45. Thank you.

I'm going to start doing similar Talking Point Memo's for other issues as well. All with respect to Clintons platform.

Simply hit the bullet point while providing links if people want to read further. The bullet points are really big when having conversations.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

27. Me, too. We need to give people reasons to be enthusiastic about Hillary Clinton.

One thing that helped me was the DNC convention itself. I had already known a good deal about HRC, but I had no clue of the breadth of all the social activism and all of her charities and causes that she had personally invested in.

[blueseas]

34. YUP

agreed

[TeamPooka]

35. With every condemnation by Republicans of Trump in this way there is an underlying acknowledgement

of competence and trust in Hillary.
Even if it's unsaid, it is implied with the act of denunciation.

[AllyCat]

38. Me too. I need more information on how to convince voters to support HRC

Especially since I did not support her in the primary. With all the media focused on her opponent 24/7, we need to know what she will do to help working people and the poor.

[underpants]

39. See link at NCTraveler's post #26

[AllyCat]

54. Thanks. Did you vote today?

[MohRokTah]

7. Trump is a Piece of Shit Used Car Salesman. eom

[Squinch]

11. .

[boston bean]

12. hey squinchy!

[Squinch]

14. Hey, boston! How is everything with you?

[boston bean]

15. Pretty good! Just had a nice vacation. Feeling re-invigorated! For the time being anyhow!

How is things with you?

[BooScout]

18. ...

[MADem]

21. Now that is an accurate application of the term. nt

[stonecutter357]

24. +1000

[msanthrope]

29. Piece of Shit, Orange, Used Car Salesman. nt

[JTFrog]

36. The first time I've seen that term used here properly. n/t

[George II]

43. .

[Cary]

10. Help me understand why we even have an issue?

How could any liberal support Trump directly, indirectly, or any other way?

[Squinch]

13. No liberal could. Deranged faux liberals can, but no actual lberal could.

[Cary]

42. You mean Susan Sarandon is a deranged faux liberal?

Say it isn't so.

[fleabiscuit]

47. One to many acid drops. nt

[Squinch]

49. She's their poster child.

[greatauntoftriplets]

17. Beats the hell out of me.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

19. this. nt

[sheshe2]

40. Exactly!

[Cary]

41. It doesn't look so good for our chances of getting any help.

[Rose Siding]

62. I didn't think we were distinguishing one another as "Hillary supporters" or not.

It's so last primary. And it's sort of offensive to me at this point.

Sometimes just anyone thinks they can tell me what to do.

[greatauntoftriplets]

44. That's a great question and I don't know the answer.

Even though great intelligence. I haz it.

[greatauntoftriplets]

16. Fuck Trump.

[Brickbat]

20. I saw a lot of reasons to vote against Trump, which is not the same as reasons to vote for HRC.

Of which there are many, of course.

[Raven]

25. Fried, as conservative as he is, is not

going to heap praise on HRC. He is not targeting his op-ed at us. He is going after the people, like him, who are so disgusted with Trump that they might hold their noses and vote for HRC. I have known Charlie Fried for years and I know this is probably killing him, but he has put the country above his party and I hope the people on the fence will follow his example.

[amuse bouche]

22. Thank You

[msanthrope]

28. Welcome to the Party!!! nt

[Fritz Walter]

30. No Dem or Liberal in one's right mind would think of voting for Drumpf

But there are a few who are planning to vote for the Green Party's candidate. Whether it's out of spite -- and I say that as a supporter of Bernie Sanders -- or misinformation, a vote for Jill Stein is a vote for Putin's puppet. Those are the voters we need to persuade to see through their tears and vote for Clinton.

We simply cannot afford a repeat of the Nader Effect!

[Raven]

33. Exactly! See post #25 above. n/t

[ananda]

32. Good article but ..

.. I'm more worried about down ballot races than I am about Trump.
He's not going to win.

I want Dems to take both the House and the Senate, along with other
state races.

Just the presidency won't do it.

[zappaman]

46. So, have you decided to vote for Hillary Clinton yet?

William Rivers Pitt | Just a Show: The Calm Sham of the DNC
Wednesday, 27 July 2016

"I don't like Hillary Clinton or her husband. She does not have my vote."

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/36992-just-a-show-the-calm-sham-of-the-dnc

[fleabiscuit]

48. It's easy enough to accidently drop a "yet." nt

[Maru Kitteh]

51. Naw, he just said in "post removed" he's planning to write a someone in who's not running.

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I believe that when a person says they are writing someone in on a ballot that is not running, or votes for a third party knowing that it will aid someone like Donald Trump into the White House, and that their action will hurt the vulnerable of society, it is the epitome of ego-driven, puritopian sanctimony. It is the ultimate display narcissism, self-centeredness and white privilege.

[emulatorloo]

53. Thom Hartmann: "Voting Third-Party is a White Priveledge Luxury We Cannot Afford"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017396115

It is a great video, Hartmann talks with a Stein voter and lays out the dangers of a Trump Presidency to women,minorities, LGBTQ, the poor,

He also does a scathing critique of Jill Stein.

Of course the voter isn't swayed, but Thom does an amazing job. I think you would really enjoy it.

I'd post it to POST REMOVED, but his mind is made up.

[Maru Kitteh]

59. Thanks! I will watch that!

[still_one]

60. Thom Hartmann made it very clear during the primaries that he would be voting for whoever the

Democratic nominee is, and he has reaffirmed that consistently.

Thom Hartmann also frequently interviews people whose positions he doesn't agree with. What is interesting is how Thom is able to keep his cool.

He also uses facts in his arguments

Thanks for the link

As to your point that the voter wasn't swayed, I am not so sure. The listener may actually be considering what Thom has said. Messages like that have a subtle way of working there way into someones thinking

[ismnotwasm]

52. Right? Because we apparently have to run around 'convincing" people

Because reasons

[TwilightZone]

55. "P.S. Non-Hill people"

You seem a little confused about the current state of DU. We're all Hill people now. Any sane person who understands the threat of President Donald Trump is a Hill person.

If you're a non-Hill person, you're probably in the wrong place.

[Starry Messenger]

56. Well, he just threatened her with people who like the 2nd amendment so enthusiastically

that they take matters into their own hands. If you are still in a state of beard-stroking confusion after that, you should probably get out of the politics game and take up cultivating artichokes. No one will take you seriously except cranks.

[bettyellen]

57. For some it's too damn profitable to spew hate- aka "righteous anger". It's about keeping that bread

Buttered and getting lots of hits.

[Starry Messenger]

58. I think some would like a Trump Presidency.

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They must miss those righteous book deals when in the position of being the opposition.

[bettyellen]

63. Well a lot of Dems are also voting with their wallets instead of their

Better angels. It has been eye opening

[Rex]

61. Party time!

Your threads always end up like a stadium parking lot party!

[Haveadream]

64. It is always a positive when people on the left are persuaded to see the danger of electing Trump

even if it takes hearing that from conservative friends. Interesting times indeed when "progressives" rely on the GOP for advice. Trump is having the unintended effect of unifying the country!