This is horrific. A nightmare. Please, God, deliver us from this Demon

[lunamagica]

[sarae]

1. I agree.

I feel sick to my stomach watching this. It really feels like Nazi Germany.

[Peregrine Took]

11. +100. My husband is an historian and 100% German American. He's studied this and says its exactly

what Hitler did - appealed to the masses while the middle class ignored him as an oaf.

[RKP5637]

42. I hate to say it, but I'm old enough to remember those days. Exactly the same and

Hitler rose to power and he made the Jewish people scapegoats. And much of the German population was totally naive as to what what going on, they thought he was a passing fad. How scary all of this is.

[sarae]

56. That's so terrifying...

The media should start thinking long and hard about the possible consequences of treating him like a "normal" candidate.

[MBS]

110. " " " " n/t

[redStateBlueHeart]

40. I've recently been studying the history of Nazi Germany

Partially inspired by the events of this election season. I began my research not being able to wrap my head around it; thinking how in God's name anything like that could happen, especially in a first world country. I wanted to understand what people felt about Hitler's rise to power and if anyone "saw" it coming. The short answer is that no one, of course, "saw it coming" in terms of gas chambers, enslavement and genocide...but a few people did identify him as a warmongerer from the beginning. It starts out with a charismatic figure peddling a populist agenda while stoking latent discontent, mistrust and rage.

I've read many first-hand accounts of Jews and non-Jewish Germans who lived in Germany before and after his coming to power, Kristallnacht and during the war...read about the Nuremberg Trials. After some time I realized it could easily happen again...here. And the authoritarians among us, who I feel are a sizable group, will welcome it with open arms.

[Hortensis]

72. Well, Trump is losing. He's been losing from the beginning.

It might be helpful to remember that conditions were much worse in Germany, with no real hope for improvement except by electing a very strong, angry leader who would defy the world in order to fix the devastated economy, make Stalin grow cold at the very thought of sending waves of his tanks into Germany to be destroyed, and put controls on the moral breakdown of society.

I read more than a bit about Nazi Germany also, 45 years ago when I married a Jewish man, moved to West Hollywood, and realized that a number of my MIL's friends had numbers tattooed on their arms. In the early 1930s my MIL visited family in Europe often. By the end of WWII, none were alive. None had left in time. They were educated, generally prosperous people, and why would they leave their homes and flee for their lives from something that had never happened. It was bad, but it would pass.

It's encouraging to me, actually, to read these posts indicating others are aware, even reading about populist-to-fascist movements. Others must be too. Not all that many, but perhaps this is nevertheless a learning experience for a lot more Americans than we realize. And we know it has happened and can.

[mothra1orbit]

77. Me too

As I watched his speech last night, it occurred to me that he is willing to say whatever it takes to get his audience to applaud and cheer.
He is more interested in the support of the crowd for him personally than he is in the content of his words, and the Lock Her Up shit is just icing on his narcissistic cake.

The screaming delivery, the emphatic repetition of words, the personal affection he expresses for his followers all reminded me of Hitler's speeches, and I don't even understand German.

[adigal]

107. Yes, the repetition and the "believe me"s are all meant to inflame

And it's all bullshit.

[Greywing]

2. I just can't believe this is the USA ... America ... home of the free, land of the brave

[RKP5637]

44. With Trump, it's going off the deep end with all of the damn hatred he invokes and inspires. n/t

[bullwinkle428]

3. I had to turn the frigging volume down.

[trueblue2007]

4. Trump is the Anti Christ

[shireen]

5. after his bizarre trip to Mexico, I thought it would be entertaining

to watch his immigration speech.

I had to stop watching after about a half-hour, and even getting that far was a struggle. The contempt and hate spewing out of him is too much to bear. What a pathetic human being he is ...

[UCmeNdc]

64. To think that 40% of the USA supports his ideas

This is sad!

[Hortensis]

73. 40% do NOT. In a way it's more insidious than that.

Many who don't like him are loyally voting their team, and have been for over 30 years in spite of what it's been doing.

Nevertheless, most conservatives are vulnerable to strong, authoritarian leaders, and understanding the conservative personality traits that underlie all these behaviors is critical to understanding what has been happening in our country.

Especially for them. Authoritarianism isn't a mental illness, of course. Once people are aware of weaknesses they can avoid them.

[AgadorSparticus]

75. I absolutely agree. They have a pretty superficial understanding of power, strength, and authority.

This was most noticeable back with the shock and awe.

[Hortensis]

79. Yes. We all become more conservative to various degrees

when we feel insecure and/or threatened about the future.

We also become more vulnerable to authoritarian leadership. The right-wing leadership understands this extremely well and has been using it against the American people for decades, for instance in retarding the economic recovery after 2008 in order to encourage people to shift more power back to the GOP.

It's way past time that this becomes common knowledge so that people will be less inclined to let themselves be cluelessly pulled around by their noses.

[CrispyQ]

88. I have some GOP relatives & they hate Trump - hate him. But guess what?

They hate democrats even more. And their hate for HRC is unfathomable. Some are going to vote for Johnson, some aren't going to vote, but not one will vote democratic.

Re: Authoritarianism. The authoritarianism leaders have completely duped the authoritarianism followers, but the followers are so entrenched in their anger & hatred that they don't see what tools & fools they've been. The GOP has been courting these fuckers for 30 years & now the beast has grown & they realize they don't really have any control over them.

Sounds like you've read Bob Altemeyer's - The Authoritarians. For those who haven't, it's a really great read.

http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/

[Hortensis]

89. I have! So much is in technicalese--his is fabulously readable.

And extremely importantly, although much research has followed, it's only expanded and refined his results.

Good idea to post the link. No better time for those who are new to this to enjoy the read.

[Sanity Claws]

67. That what I can't take

It is the utter hate and contempt that his very pores emit. It is more than just the poor vocabulary and repetition of simple thoughts.

[Peregrine Took]

6. We are thinking along the same lines. He is the devil himself - no doubt in my mind.

Weren't there certain characteristics he was going to have like charm, manipulation and lies above all else?

[napkinz]

7. horrifying!

[cilla4progress]

8. Maybe we just have to go down this road

before we can heal...

[Maru Kitteh]

22. FUCK THAT NOISE. You have a responsibility to the vulnerable, your fellow human beings

who do not have the privilege of "waiting out" this poisonous motherfucker and his seething twisted vermin followers - say nothing of the effects of 40-years worth of a fucked up supreme court.

Fuck

That

Noise.

You have a responsibility to do better, to do the right thing, to do everything you can to stop this. We all do.

[sheshe2]

82. +1000

Thank you Maru.

[DawgHouse]

31. What in the world are you talking about?

How do Trump's racist plans foster even the possibility of healing?

[cilla4progress]

47. I'm talking karma,

and also looking over the abyss to see what lies there. Figuring out who we are and what we value.

[bettyellen]

52. Karma is not what you think it is, the abyss is to look at and not aide or abet...

And most people know what they value. Some are fucking selfish and need to scapegoat others to stay on top. It's nothing new- and it's not up to karma to sort out. What lazy jingoistic crap.

[cilla4progress]

61. smh

[Maru Kitteh]

62. You think "Karma" calls for the vulnerable to suffer for the hurt pride of some spoiled

and privileged puritopians who didn't get their way? That's not just a misunderstanding, it's pretty sick.

[cilla4progress]

63. It's hard to have a conversation with an interesting difference of opinion here.

I find it unfortunate that there is such a lack of trust that you would call a fellow frequenter of a liberal website - clearly someone with similar political views to you - me - "sick." It's why I really become disenchanted with this place sometimes. I'll go looking for someplace where the maturity and generosity allows for the free expression of different views, where posters give one another the benefit of the doubt about what they are saying instead of assuming the worst, when they are generally on the same side of very polarizing issues. Where people can express their opinions and questions more gently.

It's like a purity test here.

smh

[Maru Kitteh]

66. You have obfuscated your position so artfully you leave little room.

I stand by this.

Anyone who would be so fucking selfish as to choose, by omission or dalliance with a quack like Stein, is no liberal, no progressive, and proves themselves amoral in the most fundamental way.

They care more for their feelings, they care more for their self (ego) than others. They put themselves and their spite before the actual lives of vulnerable persons.

Fuck. Them.

[RonniePudding]

78. Try the other website

The let it all burn-fire is cleansing POV is dominant there. As is the rampant stupidity.

[LowerManhattanite]

99. You weren't called “sick”...

...the line of thinking that you espoused where people already at risk and under a fist of oppression should just have to go through MORE of that to foster some sort of holistic “healing” for all is what was deemed “sick”. As there are millions of folks already on the edge who can ill afford a Trump-ian administration.

Otherwise decent folks sometimes come up with bad ideas.

THIS was one.

[adigal]

108. Even here, people fall in love with their anger

They get drunk on their own anger, and then other bullies jump in with manufactured anger. That's why I don't come here too much in recent years. So much self- righteous anger.

[cilla4progress]

109. Thanks for your perspective

Adigal. I find it sad.

[bettyellen]

76. You are not misunderstood- you think it's okay for POC to get hurt because you didn't get what YOU

Wanted. It's childish, and I have met loads of first time voters that are having a hard time dealing with their "loss". Most seem to miss what a huge diverse country this is and how it's not about their feelings.

[Maru Kitteh]

90. Special participation-trophy snowflakes are special. They've been told how special they are

. . just for existing their whole lives. No emphasis on duty to their fellow human beings, no attention to the nobility of service to others for the sake of others rather than oneself, no ability whatsoever to tolerate even a moment's frustration because they didn't get exactly what they want the second they wanted it.

Petty, childish and absolutely amoral.

Puritopians who are oh so proud of themselves, claiming it is a just act to vote third party do so knowing that they are calling for POC and the vulnerable to suffer for the satisfaction of their vindictive smug little ego. There is no better definition, imo, of an amoral piece of shit.

[bettyellen]

92. I know otherwise intelligent people mired in emotion rather than knowledge...

And I cannot believe how they grasp on to sound bites and never bother to find out the truth or really
even understand that they have bought into RW slander. It kills me.

[Lil Missy]

32. What. The. Fuck. ????

[lastlib]

41. FUCK, NO.

Let me re-phrase that:

[font size=10] FUCKING FUCK, NOOO!!!!!!![/font size]

We. Are. NOT. Going. There. EVER!

[MFM008]

49. There will be NO post Rump healing

wrong wrong wrong. WAY TO LATE.

[Skidmore]

68. Complete and utter claptrap.

I'll be damned if I sit silently and let white America "heal" on the backs of the many people I know who aren't part deemed worthy enough by this monster and his following. We are on a steep and slippery slope with that kind of thinking. NO. Categorically NO.

[SujiwanKenobee]

91. I think I understand what you are getting at

Except, our obligation to others requires us to stand up and do what we can to prevent the worst impulses of humanity from gaining the upper hand. Many interpret karma with a fatalistic attitude and negativity "what comes will come", but we can't do that. If we fight like hell and *despite* doing everything we can do, it still comes about that D.T. prevails somehow, then you can think it may be a national karma in which even the innocent suffer, not unlike the World Wars. But, submission to that outcome is not required either.

[niyad]

9. sorry. according to batshit bachmann, der drumpfenfuhrer was chosen by god.

must be one major psychopath.

[Johnny2X2X]

10. Wow

This is sick. The Angel Moms are too much.

[Upthevibe]

12. This is one of the worse displays of hatred I've ever seen. Please let this be over so I can

listen to what Lawrence, Rachel, Joy, etc. have to say. Please God, make him go away!!!!

[PatSeg]

13. I can't believe it

He is doubling down after his visit to Mexico. Its hard to believe, but I think he is worse than he was before he went. This is so hateful and inflammatory.

[Maru Kitteh]

30. I think you're right, I think he is worse than he was before he left, which leads

me to wonder what kind of dressing down and/or rebuke he may have received in private on his little trip to Mexico City that enraged him to this level of frenzy.

[PatSeg]

46. With Trump,

it is hard to know what motivates him. Obviously the trip to Mexico was a publicity stunt, but I thought it was a prologue to a softer immigration policy. Being his really long immigration speech seemed to be well prepared in advance, I'm not sure what that trip was meant to do, unless perhaps it was a big "fuck you Mexico" which his base will eat up. Damn, this is truly a dangerous man.

[Mc Mike]

80. Every bit of his campaign's media strategy is a calculated exercise in double thinking propaganda.

Swinish republicans like Ailes and Rove are in the background orchestrating his moves. Sure, he says stupid things off the cuff, all the time, but he went to Mexico to inoculate himself against charges that he's threatening to go to war with our southern neighbors, to play to the concerned independents who don't hate all Hispanics. Then he appears with Arpaio and Brewer in AZ to beat his chest and storm like Hitler about how all Hispanics are evil illegal alien killers. He was so quiet and respectful and presidential on the stage with Prez Nieto, then flash forward to the other side of the border, where he gives his cheering xenophobic base the red meat they desire.

Completely scripted.

I remember an interview where Michael Moore talked to a Dem congressman Jim McDermott, who was also a psychologist, about the bush Admin's Homeland Security pronounciations. They would make threatening announcements about heighthened alerts and new terror threats, and between the 'threats' would sprinkle in other official presidential pronouncements like 'Americans should live their lives, travel and visit other parts of America, go to Disneyland'. McDermott described that process as akin to telling a dog you're training two conflicting orders one after the other, which just confuses the dog.

That's what the repugnant gop brains behind trump are doing right now.

[PatSeg]

86. Oh yes

I remember the Bush years and the well timed terror threats complete with those ridiculous color-coded threat alerts. Whenever there was a negative story about the administration, all of a sudden there was some major threat or a "new" video from some Al-Qaeda leader promising some pending attack. Be very afraid!

As obvious as those Bush antics were, they were very subtle compared to Trump's. I guess he doesn't have to be subtle, as his base hears what they want to hear and they love all that red meat. Meanwhile, Trump is probably thinking, "Damn, I had no idea it would be THIS easy." He has permission to do or say whatever he wants, as the media rarely holds him accountable.

[Mc Mike]

100. The corporate media is schizo. I think its owners want tRump fascism, because that's good for

their businesses. Underlings want a lucrative horse race, but know how bad fascism is for press freedom. At the bottom of the pecking order are a lot of good lowly employees who report massive failures by tRump and his campaign, report his lies, craziness, bad moves, etc. Maybe the true stuff is allowed to run because they're public airwaves, the print businesses don't want to alienate their reality based customers into unsubscribing, the '100% lie media' business model isn't lucrative, and they don't want to make powerful enemies if the side they're not backing wins anyway.

We get to see truthful coverage in media about all of tRump's failures, then the same media pretends the race is 'tightening' or competitive, when with honest coverage Hillary should have a 40 point lead, except in low population regressive states. He constantly threatens the media, and the media constantly gives him favorable coverage. It honestly has been nothing but bad news about tRumpf's campaign, all flops, gaffes, and failures, then statements from the same media about how 'well he's doing' are retailed to the public as 'reasonable'. The only way that could be true is if the big swath of the American public, that isn't political junkies, had the memory and reasoning capacity of a 2 day old baby lab mouse. Or if they're constantly being overwhelmed with an info blizzard of new crazy bad stuff lies and spin, to push all previous memories out or massage them out of any recognizable shape. The new info comes from that same media, is all provided without context and critical comment by that media, when every story should end with the comment that trump is a lying nazi.

The mouse baby brain indies story isn't true, but now we're in the position of having to argue that untrue point with the same media sources that provided evidence that tRump is appealing only to the most extreme nazi white part of America. We have to argue to the media that trump is transparently lying to 'infant mouse brained independents', while they are in fact fake non-existent swing vote independents the media is inventing, who that media implies 'are slowly being convinced he is not the crazy clownish bogeyman'.

He went down to Mexico where he could do nothing, and did do nothing. Media says that'll convince the all important swing vote bloc of indecisive moderate independents, suburban security soccer moms, and blue collar dems for raygun that he's presidential and moderate and not a xenophobe (wink to his breitbart and bundy crowd.) Then he jumps over the border to storm about his reich to a Brewer Kobach Arpaio crowd, who get all the red meat they want. No mouse brained independent caught that, the media implies that 'they are slowly being convinced' and 'he might just pull this 'thing' off'.

Pastor Burns melts down, and 'trump's campaign is doing great.' Hispanic 'leaders' for trump quit, and 'his totally not a nazi campaign is making huge inroads in convincing the US public he's not a nazi', while media shows he's openly bellowing nazi stuff to nazis in his AZ speech. He has a ton of high profile gop people and org defections, so he isn't even keeping the gop base, but 'the polls are tightening'. He's universally more loathed in every single demographic than the last 2 losing repub candidates, but those negatives 'aren't' translating down to trump connected house and senate republican campaigns. They're lying to us to ratchet reality into 'more favorable to tRump' position. They're telling us to sit and roll over at the same time.

[PatSeg]

102. "Schizo" media

That is how it appears to me. It is like they are trying to script the "race" and keep it interesting so people will tune in.

Yesterday I heard someone say "the Clinton scandal" and I cursed at the TV. There was NO Clinton scandal. There was a bogus investigation that turned up nothing, but the media refers to that as a "scandal", while there is so much dirt on Trump, that we couldn't even cover it all between now and November. You are right, Trump does threaten the media and except for a handful, they tend to go easy on him. This is how he has done business his whole adult life - bully, intimidate, and sue anyone who crosses him. Also he makes everyone in his world sign confidentiality agreements, something that probably wouldn't work so well as President of the United States.

Lately, I've heard a few journalists on TV say, "Stop treating him like he is a legitimate candidate!" Besides trying to please their big network bosses, I suppose there are some who have gotten stuck in the bubble where Trump is a viable candidate.

[Mc Mike]

103. I saw Joy Reid question a Wa Po reporter on AP's Clinton Foundation 'scandal' coverage.

And she said the Clinton Foundation openly fully released all of their contributors info, while Poppy and little bush both have foundations that have never done so. Poppy was getting donations while little bush was prez, and nobody from AP or WaPo ever said a peep about it. The reporter said that was true, and it should have been done. He looked completely chagrined and beaten, and she graciously thanked him for coming on to defend AP's coverage, and pointed out that she realized that it wasn't the WaPo's story.

About dRump's scandals, the media could run a story about a trump mob tie, a trump nazi tie, or a trump russian Putin oligarch or mafiya tie, every day between now and the election and not run out of topics.

If media covered him without the false equivalence they make between him and Sec Clinton, he'd be polling in the 20's.

[PatSeg]

104. I can't recall any public figure

with the amount of corruption, dishonesty, and criminal ties like Trump. He is very shrewd about covering his tracks with sealed court settlements and confidentiality agreements. It seems that it might have been easier to do business honestly in the first place, but I suppose it is like a game to him. Where's the fun in being a transparent businessman?

There were so many real "scandals" in the Bush years that barely got a mention in the MSM - would be unpatriotic apparently. Until Clinton, no one would have thought to question a former president's charitable foundation. How much more transparent does the press expect Hillary to be? Clearly she has the "stamina" and endurance to be president. Very few people would have survived decades of this kind of abuse.

[Mc Mike]

112. He's constantly desperately grifting and money grubbing for obscenely small sums of money,

at least obscenely small if you're a 'ten billionaire'. He jumps the rent up, that he charges on his tRump towers campaign office, by $120 k? Senseless if you're worth billions, makes sense if you have nothing in the bank and a billion dollars in debt.

Li'l bush and his gang should be in the pen, now. Too bad they're not. And the only person who's ever been scrutinized, probed, investigated, vetted, and cleared more than Prez Obama is Hillary Clinton. The gop can't stop the public from voting against the gop, but they can scream and cry about it for years afterward to try to make the public embarrassed to say 'that's my President'.

Meanwhile they simultaneously run this guy who trails court cases, mob ties, and felony scandals behind him like a huge garden slug trails slime. You can tell they know what scandals are, and that they're bad, because of how much they scream and cry about scandals. But that's only to project the actual crimes and failings of their pols onto Dems. Then they dare us to challenge the alt reality they're spewing as a media narrative. 'We value ethics! Your side is evil and bad!', then they run the half ass wiseguy and brag about it. Running trump, with giuliani and Christie backing him up, and screaming 'lock her up!'? What a bunch of crooked swinish con men.

[PatSeg]

113. The 'small sums of money'

thing is absolutely bizarre. What kind of alleged multi billionaire begrudges contractors $20,000 or $30,000? Or doesn't pay workers the money they earned? Or promises to donate money to charities and then reneges on that promise? I have a feeling that parting with money is physically painful for him.

Looking back on the Clinton years and then the Obama presidency, I've decided that republicans are just the world's worst losers. I haven't seen anything like that since the 4th grade.

[Mc Mike]

114. I think you're right, they're infantile sore losers.

The rightwing people tRump stiffs are the most interesting to me. They say 'Hey, I'm an insane fascist xenophobe, also. How can you stiff me?' He says 'I win, you lose. Loser.' That 'win' for him is more important than 20 or 30 k dollars to him. Though, if he fails and even 1 cent of money goes away from him, it's like he lost a drop of his precious lifeblood.

[PatSeg]

115. "I win, you lose. Loser."

Maybe some day they will all realize that anyone who gets on the Trump Train will be a loser eventually. There is no loyalty in Trump world.

[Mc Mike]

116. They've got a masochistic streak for sure, and want a 'master' to

beat and humiliate them. They're like pledges to that evil nazi frat in Animal House.

I wouldn't be bothered by it if they weren't trying to drag the whole country into pledging dRump's frat.

[PatSeg]

117. Then they can they brag

that they had the privilege of being beaten and humiliated by Donald J. Trump! They could wear it like a badge of honor.

[Mc Mike]

118. His campaign could sell shirts with that slogan on, to make an extra quick dirty buck.

'Quick Eric, get Cali-Fame on the horn. We'll squeeze an extra 20 k in profits out of the campaign. Maybe even 25 k if we use t-shirts from Bangladesh.'

[PatSeg]

119. That's very possible

We've already seen how they suck every cent they can out of this campaign, why not some obnoxious T-shirts as well!

The post election books should be fascinating.

[Mc Mike]

120. His new bio entitled "Trump: 2017-25 The Leavenworth Years" is bound to be a best seller.

He'll mass purchase $200 k worth of them, using left over campaign donations.

[PatSeg]

121. Oh my god

You're killing me!!!

[Mc Mike]

122. I think Tom Tomorrow did that joke about li'l bush, originally.

Someone else said it, about some other republican, anyhow.

[jimlup]

14. Yeah I'm feeling it too...

I'm also getting nervous. While I know Hillary will blow him away in the debates his stupid followers won't notice. I guess the question is if they do really get some momentum going are we in real danger or is our position still reasonably safe. Talk me down from my worry...

[RBInMaine]

16. With all respect the "worrying" has to END. Trump's INSANE and will be CRUSHED. Go make it happen.

[redStateBlueHeart]

24. Unfortunately, I can't say much right now. We can only hope the American people don't have ADHD

And will take everything from the last year (and before) into account. But if Americans had any sense, he wouldn't have won the Republican nomination at all so...

[cagefreesoylentgreen]

39. I'm not worried about Trump

I'm worried about his followers and what they'll do when he loses.

[smirkymonkey]

97. That scares me too. I almost feel like we are in a no-win situation here

in this country. Whatever happens, I think it's going to be a total shit-show.

[63splitwindow]

15. +1 One GIGANTIC lie after another and the crowd ate it up. American politics/Professional wrestling.

[Cryptoad]

17. The Future already exist,,,,,

sit back and enjoy the ride there is nothing u can do to change it!

[StevieM]

36. I appreciate you comments but some of us cannot sit back and enjoy until it is official that this

evil psychopath has been defeated.

[jtuck004]

18. We lived through the racist murderer Woodrow Wilson, maybe we can live through another. n/t

[lunamagica]

19. No no no, don't say that. He has to lose. We have to make it happen

[Upthevibe]

20. I just took a klonipin. Now it's time for Dick Van Dyke reruns. N/T

[redStateBlueHeart]

27. If there is any justice in the world, he will lose. And lose "bigly"

I'd love a 1964 style blowout, but with 3rd parties playing a bigger part this year I don't think it'll happen.

[lastlib]

43. FUCK, NO.

Pls see post #41

[font size=10] FUCKING FUCK, NOOO!!!!!!![/font size]

We. Are. NOT. Going. There. EVER!

[jtuck004]

58. Well, maybe your caps will beat their caps, rofl. n/t

[MFM008]

50. HOW can you make that comparison ????????????????

Look at the power todays president has WW didnt have in 1919.
The world may still not survive the Bush years, especially with him selling out the enviroment and world wide hate and discontent.
Wilson was NOTHING compared to what could come.

[jtuck004]

57. I'll bet the progressives he killed off or destroyed could make it very easily, those with the IWW

in particular.

Funny how so many people think they have it worse than anyone else.

[Il_Coniglietto]

87. Maybe YOU can.

But how kind of you to sacrifice the rest of us. I don't remember volunteering.

[jtuck004]

95. Lol. You get one shot and waste it as if you have the time. n/t

[ecstatic]

21. His "extreme vetting" of immigrants plan is very disturbing.

My mom is originally from South America. She emigrated here in the 70s. Would she and her family have passed Trump's test? I doubt it.

It's very odd that trump would take such an offensive stance considering that he is the son of an immigrant as well. But I guess immigrants from Scotland and other mostly white countries will be fast tracked. He's a disgusting bigoted asshole!

[Boudica the Lyoness]

60. I am an immigrant. I’m from England and 100% white.

I wasn’t fast tracked. I had to undergo police background checks from everywhere I’d lived. I had to answer many questions and prove I could support myself in the US. I had a medical exam and had to travel to the US carrying my chest x-rays.

On the other hand people who are refugees cannot be vetted very well because there are usually no records from a war zone.

[cwydro]

69. My parents came here in the 50s from England and Wales.

They weren't "fast-tracked" either.

The only immigrants that I know are "fast-tracked" are Cubans.

[ecstatic]

70. Umm, I'm referring to Trump's plan for America, not the

policies that currently exist.

[Boudica the Lyoness]

84. Please could you provide a link to Trump’s policy statements for

the fast tracking/non-vetting of white people so, I have send it on to white people I know in the UK. Thank you.

So you’re telling me the background checks, medical tests/X-rays, proof of financials is being dropped for white people if Trump becomes president, right?

[ecstatic]

98. Are you serious? You seem to have missed the point completely.

Trump has proposed "extreme vetting" of immigrants, despite being the child of an unskilled, poor immigrant himself.

My point was that a possible explanation for his hypocrisy is that, under his presidency, white people from mostly white countries might not be subject to the extreme vetting that Trump is proposing.

What explanation do you have for why he proposes a dramatic change in this nation's immigration process, despite being the child of an unskilled immigrant who came to this country without a pot to piss in?

Donald Trump's mother, Mary Anne Trump née Macleod arrived in New York from the desolate Scottish Isle of Lewis, with just $50 to her name, to pursue work as a 'domestic'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3602299/An-uncomfortable-truth-REAL-story-Trump-s-mother-climbed-penniless-Scottish-immigrant-wife-businessman-revealed.html

Clearly, Trump doesn't feel any cognitive dissonance because he does not view himself as someone who might have been affected by his "extreme vetting" idea. His "plan" is clearly directed towards people of color.

[ram2008]

23. Very scary indeed nt

[hibbing]

25. I don't care what the polls say

This scares the living heck out of me.

Peace

[ekelly]

26. I rarely post here, but this is a terrifying speech.

Do these rubes not understand that this jackass is essentially advocating for the removal of the very freedom they all hold so dear?

Additionally, when they showed a long shot of the stage during his speech it looked like there were 6 giant klaansmen standing behind him. Strange shape they chose to fashion using the American flag.

[redStateBlueHeart]

29. His convention speech was by far the most chilling IMO

Something about the way he says "Law and Order" creeps me the fuck out...I can't help but picture something like Erdoğan's brand of "Law and Order".

And as far as advocating removal of freedoms: isn't it ironic that the conservatives who support this guy who blather on and on about the constitution, personal freedoms and government tyranny are also the biggest authoritarians? It's creepy

[nikto]

28. Trump is not the essence of the problem

It's his followers, and their mindset.

Even if Trump loses big, an evil psychological force has been unleashed in this country,
and will not be going anywhere.

If history is any lesson, it will only start looking for a new hero to focus on.

[Maru Kitteh]

33. All the more reason for a united front behind the nominee to deliver a humiliating, clear rebuke

to that evil. They must receive the message clearly - their time is over.

[Person 2713]

35. Possibly someone worse i.e. Trump was too liberal etc. or in mid term mayhem

[anamandujano]

37. He's brought the boil to a head.

It will go away when he self destructs.

[lastlib]

45. DO not count on it.

It will have to be stomped into oblivion.

[anamandujano]

94. May I change my commentary to lance?

[Cosmocat]

71. Yep, hes not the cause

He is the symptom, the outcome from the complete detachment from reality for decades now by the republican party and collapse of the media to call out an endless stream of utter bullshit.

[locks]

34. I was so ashamed and embarrassed

for our country tonight. Not only by the screaming crowd but after it was finished the pundits who came on to tell us what a great speech Trump had just made. Our neighbors around the world must be saddened and shocked that this nation which is supposed to be leading the world could cheer on this hateful, ignorant man and his rhetoric.

[Nac Mac Feegle]

38. I'm probably not the first to say this, but

It probably sounded better in the original German.

[bora13]

48. it can't happen here

was already written and yes it can.

[liberalmuse]

51. Amen! I cannot watch this beast for even 30 seconds.

But I don't like what I'm hearing and reading about it. It's making my stomach churn and heart ache deeply.

My religious mom would have rebuked him in the name of Jesus were she alive today. I'm sad she passed, but thankful she didn't live to see this shit. She taught us kids about Nazi Germany. Our family knew a woman who survived it when her entire family didn't, and she had so many stories to tell. Never again!

[AliceSsquare]

53. The republican party is going down

With a bang.

[unitedwethrive]

54. And people actually choose him over Hillary because of a couple of mismarked emails? REALLY?!

I just don't understand.

[redStateBlueHeart]

59. Right?

I feel like we've officially entered the Twilight Zone...

[UCmeNdc]

65. It is the Press. They harp on Hillary's email but forget about Trump University Fraud.

The Press will harp on Hillary's emails but for never mention again Trump's Russian connections.

[napkinz]

74. he's speaking again, this morning

[calimary]

81. My husband keeps mumbling "that's what Hitler said." "Law and Order."

I'd started watching that speech in Arizona last night and just had to excuse myself. ENOUGH. Can't stand his voice. Can't stand what he has to say. Can't stand his twisted pretzel-think. Can't stand the idiot crowds who are roaring approval to some of the worst and most unworkably "ideas" I've heard in a long time.

And it seemed like there was no end to it.

Had to go do some crafting to get away from it and clear my head a little.

To anybody here who thinks - well, maybe we need to sink to this depth to shake ourselves out of it, PLEASE reconsider. We can't let this happen. We simply can't. It's WAY too big a risk, with all kinds of unanticipated complications and ramifications. And remember, THIS is the same guy who wonders, aloud, multiple times, "if we have nukes, why can't we use them?" Can anyone even minimally justify living in the kind of world after some swaggering snake-oil salesman decided to sit down at the poker game and start betting with nukes? Seriously???

[TheBlackAdder]

83. The same God that brought us him?

[CrispyQ]

85. I just watched part of the speech & then I read some of the comments.

Oh man, we have some seriously fucked up citizens in this country.

[El Shaman]

93. Hey!!

The one you 'trumpanzees' was awaiting on has arrived:
'AntiChrist' !

[Dalziel3979]

96. White Idi Amin

That's who he reminds me of even moreso than Hitler or Mussolini.

To quote James Mcavoy's character from the Last King of Scotland "You're a child. That's what makes you so fucking scary."

[tandem5]

105. There's a lucid dream test -- put your hand to your mouth and try to breathe...

if you can draw in air in spite of your hand covering your mouth you might just be dreaming. Suffice it to say I do that test a lot lately.

[adigal]

106. Even more frightening than Trump are his brown shirts cheering

at the hateful things he says at his rallies? These people are our neighbors. He is fueled by their cheers, and they are fueled by bigotry and hatred.

[BYJ439]

111. +1

The parallels with Hitler are truly eerie. It's like history is repeating all over again, and the cycle of violence and destruction rages on.

Scary times we are living in. Hopefully sanity will be restored in America when HRC wins.