2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThis coming election is a litmus test for America...
We can either elect Trump and confirm that America is truly a failed state by handing it over to a proven con man, white supremacist and profligate liar, basically endorsing every negative aspect of American ideology, or we can elect Hillary Clinton and tell the misogynists, racists, fetus worshippers, gun nuts, isolationists, cop-suckers and right wing nut jobs to go fuck themselves.
The choice is yours.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,988 posts)Trust Buster
(7,299 posts)I've been saying for months that the American people foolishly blame all of their problems on the government and on the media. Well, this November 8, the American people can't point to the government or the media. The American people know all they need to know about Trump. This November 8 is SOLELY on the American people and no one else.
Hekate
(90,627 posts)Did you catch Rachel Maddow's 15 minute US history lesson after Trump's frothing at the mouth hate rant when he got back from Mexico? We've been here before, by her count 3 times, when a major party decays and collapses. And this is what happens -- secret societies, the Know Nothings, the Klan, and now Trumpism. It's ugly as sin, what grows in that space when the center cannot hold.
But when I listened to it a second time, I found her words oddly consoling. We've been here before -- but the country has eventually righted itself, each time.
I don't know how long it will take, and as with the Bush Junior presidency, I think it's a test of our collective soul. It's possible we will fail the test. I hope we right ourselves in the end. I just hope, at my age, that I live to see my country find its center again.
bucolic_frolic
(43,123 posts)Which camp is undecided at this point? Independents. The choice
should even be easy for them.
Pakid
(478 posts)They will fail the test. There are more yard signs for Trump than there ever were for any of the other Republican candidates since I started paying attention to stuff like this back in the 80'S .
BumRushDaShow
(128,748 posts)for saving NW PA's butt then!
vlyons
(10,252 posts)but there will still be plenty of depraved, selfish money-grubbers and hate-mongers in congress and state legislatures. Just defeating Trump is not enough. We have to keep working to replace them with more progressive representatives.
lastlib
(23,202 posts)Trump will get his ass kicked electorally back to where it belongs, but his supporters will still be among us. As I calculate, they're three out of every eight people nationally. Three out of f**king eight! Yeah--we got a LOT of work to do.
classykaren
(769 posts)Wish you were invited to Morning Joe or CNN.
Granny M
(1,395 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)And tens of millions will vote for him.
In fact, he will, without a doubt, win a significant majority of white voters.
So even with a healthy victory for HRC, this is a problem that needs to be addressed.
Ron Green
(9,822 posts)in the first half of 2016.