2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHe is not a joke. Anyone who supports Trump is supporting monstrous evil.
Trump’s Mass Deportation Machine Would Create an American Police State Equal to Nazi Germany
Trump’s plan portends great civil strife, economic devastation and the imposition of a police state.
By Steven Rosenfeld / AlterNet September 1, 2016
Donald Trump’s pledge yesterday to speedily deport “anyone who has entered the United States illegally” would require the creation of a vast police state that harkens back to the early 20th century, with Nazi Germany’s roundups and deportations of millions of Jews and others deemed undesirable.
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JCanete
(5,272 posts)to a massive hold that fear and ignorance has on our voting populace, but I'm not going to give him credit that he isn't due. He's no mastermind. He's no master manipulator. He's not even a bulllshit artist. It is simply that his untested view of the world is shared by enough other ignorant people who have also not vetted their own beliefs against reality, in a society that has let that happen, all for the sake of the mighty green.
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(7,723 posts)JCanete
(5,272 posts)selfish, and I suppose that having only underlying selfish motivations, is the closest thing to my definition of evil, since those desires inform peoples beliefs, and give them incentive to ignore their hypocrisies. But I'm sure he justifies his actions to himself. I'm sure he thinks of himself as a swell guy.
The problem is that when you have the kind of money he has, American society confirms to him that he is that swell guy. People even want to believe it themselves about him and his like. It's better to believe that if somebody has a lot, he earned it, than to have to cope with the reality of an unfair world, and its also better to be friendly with somebody who might actually have money or influence that can rub off on you in some way or another. Not only are you a good person in this society if you have money, but you are also a wise and brilliant person, and people will want to be in your presence, and they will defer to you and your bullshit. For whatever reasons, Trump seems like the type who has been happy to surround himself in a bubble of sycophants, and that has allowed him to develop his own bullshit narrative that even he believes. If he's evil, he wasn't fashioned by the Devil, he was fashioned by good ol American Capitalism.
That said, would his "solutions" if realized add to more strife and suffering in the world? Yes, of course. I'd go along with you to say that his rhetoric and policies, do contribute to a definition we probably share about what evil looks like. I'm just not fond of trying to categorize people as good or evil, because I think it makes it harder for us to actually see them as the products that they are.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Obviously someone doing or proposing something evil is not the same as BEING evil.
I suppose it's too much to ask but I just wish people would think about the real evil of his immigration plan, which is the freaking centerpiece of his sick campaign for President.
treestar
(82,383 posts)them. Admittedly undocumented aliens are liable to deportation. But they way he was scapegoating them for our alleged ills - that was evil and wrong.
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cagefreesoylentgreen
(838 posts)That in lieu of creating massive government bureaucracy, his solution is to deputize private citizens to do the work of getting rid of "undesirables," and making brown shirts an official part of his platform.
He hasn't said it yet, but I know it's coming.
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