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Little Star

(17,055 posts)
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 11:02 AM Sep 2016

Krugman Dismantles the Dangerously Lopsided Coverage of Trump and Clinton

Is the 2016 race a reboot of the Bush v. Gore election?

Krugman has a sick feeling of deja vu in the coverage of Clinton and Trump. True, some of Trump's dishonesty has been reported. But he is definitely being normalized and graded on a crazy curve. The minute he does not say anything deeply offensive for a whole day, he is hailed as pivoting and being presidential. Maybe he won't immediately round up 11 million undocumented immigrants. Good for him! Meanwhile, his latest apparent criminality, payoffs to state attorneys general to stop investigating his fraudulent University, is getting almost no attention.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/paul-krugman-dismantles-dangerously-lopsided-coverage-trump-and-clinton

Yep, another shoddy job by the media covering this race! I have just about lost all respect for any of them!

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Krugman Dismantles the Dangerously Lopsided Coverage of Trump and Clinton (Original Post) Little Star Sep 2016 OP
No one can explain why the news media is so easy on Trump UCmeNdc Sep 2016 #1
I will give you my opinion rurallib Sep 2016 #2
Agree about the horserace. I think money/ratings are the primary reason. Auggie Sep 2016 #14
I absolutely disagree that they want a horse race, world wide wally Sep 2016 #44
Bumper sticker: "The media is only as liberal as the conservative corporations that own it." CrispyQ Sep 2016 #18
It's all about the money tooeyeten Sep 2016 #28
Both NPR and PBS have sponsors now making sure they are not as liberal as they once were..... bettyellen Sep 2016 #40
that certainly is another factor, especially with Koch Industries among them. rurallib Sep 2016 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author mark67 Sep 2016 #48
MSNBC is not easy on Trump oberliner Sep 2016 #4
Try day time MSNBC... Little Star Sep 2016 #6
That's a shame oberliner Sep 2016 #8
yes but rtracey Sep 2016 #10
It's hard to imagine people on the fence between Hillary and Trump oberliner Sep 2016 #15
hmmmm rtracey Sep 2016 #21
Yep. Andrea Mitchell. And her little pal Kristen Welker. You need go no further. But I will! calimary Sep 2016 #16
Just getting into the Twitter thing. Granny M Sep 2016 #20
I believe it's a retweet when you click on the little two-arrow configuration below the tweet. calimary Sep 2016 #38
Thanks. I'll work on getting up to speed. nt Granny M Sep 2016 #47
tRump PAY? Scarsdale Sep 2016 #25
Yeah, agreed! But I want the recipients to start thinking about how this makes them look. calimary Sep 2016 #50
I thought MSNBC had the elections confessions thing turbinetree Sep 2016 #22
My opinion CajunBlazer Sep 2016 #9
And that may be true, but their refusal to cover ANYTHING good about HRC AllyCat Sep 2016 #23
Well, for what it''s worth.... CajunBlazer Sep 2016 #32
"Trump may be lousy for the country... WinstonSmith4740 Sep 2016 #17
Post removed Post removed Sep 2016 #26
Definitely money and ratings. Did you see the video of Soledad the other day? Native Sep 2016 #24
NY Times TimeToGo Sep 2016 #31
This one of my biggest fears. tinrobot Sep 2016 #3
Voters Don't Care About Immigration, Wages, Healthcare, Climate Change, Etc. TomCADem Sep 2016 #5
Yep. But Trump has a platform?.... Little Star Sep 2016 #7
+1 uponit7771 Sep 2016 #49
The media are serving their masters, not us. hay rick Sep 2016 #11
it's tough even for the Clinton campaign to hit the right note on him yurbud Sep 2016 #12
It has been really pathetic PatSeg Sep 2016 #13
Receiver? Scarsdale Sep 2016 #27
I thought that was 2004 PatSeg Sep 2016 #41
The only thing different though is that social media is almost bigger than MsM kimbutgar Sep 2016 #19
hillary is being GOREd. the gerbism of teevee gnewz likes SQUIRRELS for ratings. pansypoo53219 Sep 2016 #29
Krugman is right! red dog 1 Sep 2016 #30
He is the republican nominee Cosmocat Sep 2016 #33
Thanks for this Little Star. William769 Sep 2016 #34
Hillary is getting Gored The Wizard Sep 2016 #35
Excellent observation. ffr Sep 2016 #45
The MSM should be ashamed. SunSeeker Sep 2016 #36
Coward media scared of Trump lawsuits. He has sued them. Hillary doesn't sue. Bernardo de La Paz Sep 2016 #37
Good Point. Little Star Sep 2016 #39
I hate them (M$M) with a flaming white-hot fury. BlancheSplanchnik Sep 2016 #42
They need a horse race for ratings. I actually heard someone (can't remember her name or Upthevibe Sep 2016 #46

rurallib

(62,406 posts)
2. I will give you my opinion
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 11:21 AM
Sep 2016

1) All the commercial media is corporate and as such favor republicans, no matter who they may be. It should be apparent that Republicans only care about who is wearing their uniform, not what they stand for.

2) They need a horserace to sell all that commercial time to the campaigns. Political season is a huge profit time for the cable newsers, newspapers, radio and network TV companies. If it looks like a blowout, there will be a lot of inventory (time) left on the shelf.

3) NPR and PBS are special cases where they have been so bullied over the past 25 years by the likes of Gingrich and Boehner that they feel compelled to be "balanced." Reality or evidence based reporting must be balanced with the other side, evidence or reality be damned.

Reporters may be liberal, but the guy signing the paycheck isn't.

CrispyQ

(36,457 posts)
18. Bumper sticker: "The media is only as liberal as the conservative corporations that own it."
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 12:50 PM
Sep 2016

Saw that once & honked & gave a

tooeyeten

(1,074 posts)
28. It's all about the money
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 01:54 PM
Sep 2016

We saw it w/Romney & now MSM is doubling down to protect unearned 1%wealth garnered off backs of wage earners, real middle class, & poor.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
40. Both NPR and PBS have sponsors now making sure they are not as liberal as they once were.....
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 07:12 PM
Sep 2016

the whole playing field has shifted, and assholes like Bush and Palin made cruelness and idiocy normal and according to some- good.

Response to rurallib (Reply #2)

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
4. MSNBC is not easy on Trump
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 11:53 AM
Sep 2016

Rachel Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnell tear him apart pretty much daily.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
8. That's a shame
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 12:05 PM
Sep 2016

But you have to admit that their night time heavy hitters have done a good job of exposing Trump's BS.

 

rtracey

(2,062 posts)
10. yes but
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 12:15 PM
Sep 2016

Yes but, the democrats who watch MSNBC are not the ones that need to be convinced. Its the independents and the on-the -fence- republicans that may not watch either Fox or MSNBC. It is time the media on CNN, NBC, CBS, etc start telling the truth about Trump too. Yes he has committed fraud, payoffs, racketeering, etc, yet he is not renounced in the media.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
15. It's hard to imagine people on the fence between Hillary and Trump
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 12:39 PM
Sep 2016

But I guess they are out there.

 

rtracey

(2,062 posts)
21. hmmmm
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 01:12 PM
Sep 2016

well you may be right, but i think there are always someone during an election that is somewhat on the fence.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
16. Yep. Andrea Mitchell. And her little pal Kristen Welker. You need go no further. But I will!
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 12:40 PM
Sep 2016

Here's what I'm tweeting to everybody else:

Gotta say it. Trump fixation makes it look like YOU ALL are on his payroll. Negatives-only coverage of Hillary confirms it.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512397598#post15

Here's my earlier post (here) about it:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=8143943

And I upped the ante this morning, with Paul Krugman's latest. I've been sending THIS around:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/05/opinion/hillary-clinton-gets-gored.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0 STOP the negative bias! STOP leading us to suspect YOU are on Trump's payroll. That's how it looks.

Granny M

(1,395 posts)
20. Just getting into the Twitter thing.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 01:05 PM
Sep 2016

How do I retweet what you have tweeted? Do the media outlets see those tweets? I have heard it helps to get a lot of retweets?
I could probably get the 6 year old grandson to help.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
38. I believe it's a retweet when you click on the little two-arrow configuration below the tweet.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 07:07 PM
Sep 2016

Underneath whatever it the tweet is that you want to retweet, there are three symbols.

-- Farthest to the left, there's a little left-pointing arrow, that, if you roll your cursor over it, says "reply".
-- Then there's the middle one: two arrows together, one pointing to the right and down, on top of another that points to the left and up. Roll your cursor over that one and it'll say "retweet." There will be numbers next to this one, I think, to denote how many times it's been retweeted. THIS IS THE ONE I THINK YOU WANT.
-- Then, last, farthest to the right, there is a small heart icon which, when you roll your cursor over it, denotes "like". There will also be numbers next to this one so you can see how many likes there are, and if you click on the little heart, it'll go from gray to red.

Beyond that, the farthest over to the right, are three dots. Roll your cursor over that, and it'll denote "more."

Pretty wordy but hey, I'm old and not 100% on these things. But I do have at least a minimal level of understanding. Then again, I'm really just getting started with the Twitter world. I recently realized that this is one way to communicate directly to these people I watch every day and who make me tear my hair sometimes.

ANYONE who'd like to join in? That'd be GREAT! And it would make all our efforts that much bigger, more noticeable, more impactful, and more effective.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
25. tRump PAY?
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 01:34 PM
Sep 2016

Surely you jest. He does not pay people, they donate to him and he passes the $$$ on to his family.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
50. Yeah, agreed! But I want the recipients to start thinking about how this makes them look.
Tue Sep 6, 2016, 01:57 PM
Sep 2016

Optics.

If you start thinking that your AUDIENCE is moving a certain way - in how they view YOU, that might leave a mark.

turbinetree

(24,695 posts)
22. I thought MSNBC had the elections confessions thing
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 01:14 PM
Sep 2016

and since they have this "thing" you don't hear anything of what the masses are saying or is it my imagination, why have it, just another gimmick, that make you feel good thing to them or you (is a ratings gimmick), when your day staff are doing exactly what-------------really nothing-------amazing.
Like why don't they have a citizen go up to the candidate and ask them a question, since they aren't doing it

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
9. My opinion
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 12:15 PM
Sep 2016

In Presidential races the media tries to be "fair" and "impartial", attacking both candidates equally. The problem is that Trump is a very non-traditional candidates who lies, distorts the truth and exaggerates every time he opens his mouth. His surrogates do the same. If the media addressed each of these occurrences, they would the vast majority of their time debunking Trumps lies and distortions, and spend little time on Clinton. They would be seen by the majority of their audience as taking sides. Don't forget that the media is in business to make money and can't afford to tick off a sizable share of its audience.

This reminds me of basketball teams who are known for their overly aggressive defenses. The mantra of their coaches is if you are continually streaking the rules, the referees can't call every foul.

AllyCat

(16,177 posts)
23. And that may be true, but their refusal to cover ANYTHING good about HRC
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 01:17 PM
Sep 2016

tells more. They are not doing their jobs.

CajunBlazer

(5,648 posts)
32. Well, for what it''s worth....
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 03:35 PM
Sep 2016

....they aren't saying anything good about Donald Trump either. "Media fairness" in their eyes.

I think we have a tendency we all have a tendency to get upset when the media doesn't spend its time praising our candidate and/or cursing her opponent. Trump supporters probably feel the same way.

WinstonSmith4740

(3,056 posts)
17. "Trump may be lousy for the country...
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 12:48 PM
Sep 2016

but he's great for ratings."
That was said during the primaries by one of the presidents of the Big 3, NBC if I'm not mistaken. That is what this is really all about. The media has to make a horse race out of this, otherwise people will lose interest and their ad revenue goes down. They're just whores.

Speaking of which...anyone know whatever happened to Media Whores on Line? We need them more than ever now.

Response to WinstonSmith4740 (Reply #17)

Native

(5,940 posts)
24. Definitely money and ratings. Did you see the video of Soledad the other day?
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 01:20 PM
Sep 2016

They all basically agreed, the three of them in the video, that Donald Trump is making them a hell of a lot of money.

TimeToGo

(1,366 posts)
31. NY Times
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 03:23 PM
Sep 2016

Here are the two top campaign stories in the digital edition of today's NY Times.


Election 2016

"Young Blacks’ Doubts About Clinton Worry Democrats"

"Donald Trump, Changing His Mind" (video)

tinrobot

(10,895 posts)
3. This one of my biggest fears.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 11:48 AM
Sep 2016

It has happened before - both Gore and Kerry were the recipients of this behavior.

TomCADem

(17,387 posts)
5. Voters Don't Care About Immigration, Wages, Healthcare, Climate Change, Etc.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 11:54 AM
Sep 2016

We want to hear about Hillary's e-mails 24/7 and more spin about how voters love Trump because he tells it like it is!

Likewise, shouldn't we have a whole forum on DU talking about evil in this country of Americans sending work related e-mails on their gmail accounts? Given the media focus on e-mails, we should add a topic on E-Mail Retention, because nothing quickens the pulse of the average American than e-mail retention.

This must be why the media does not cover and compare Clinton's platform on immigration, wages, healthcare, climate change, education, etc. versus Donald Trump. It is not like these actually affect most Americans.

hay rick

(7,605 posts)
11. The media are serving their masters, not us.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 12:19 PM
Sep 2016

The oligarchy can't afford a Democratic blowout, so Trump gets propped up and rumors and lies about Hillary get repeated endlessly.

yurbud

(39,405 posts)
12. it's tough even for the Clinton campaign to hit the right note on him
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 12:23 PM
Sep 2016

Trump is not even qualified to be criticized on the same terms as other REPUBLICAN candidates.

He lacks the experience, background knowledge, temperament, or even coherent policies to be considered for president or any national office.

The only less realistic candidate would Charles Manson.

I'm not sure how you could adequately communicate all that without elevating him a bit treating him like a real candidate.

PatSeg

(47,399 posts)
13. It has been really pathetic
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 12:29 PM
Sep 2016

I'd forgotten about the Gore-Bush race, but I really think this is far worse.

Scarsdale

(9,426 posts)
27. Receiver?
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 01:42 PM
Sep 2016

Remember the suspicious oblong object on Dubya's back during those "debares"? Lucky he was not a democratic politician, or that would have been investigated. It was ignored since it was on his back.

PatSeg

(47,399 posts)
41. I thought that was 2004
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 07:27 PM
Sep 2016

when he was debating Kerry. That was so bizarre and there was at least one time when it looked like he was talking to someone on the receiver. He absolutely hated the debates and for good reason, he sucked!

kimbutgar

(21,130 posts)
19. The only thing different though is that social media is almost bigger than MsM
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 01:02 PM
Sep 2016

A lot of young voters get their news from the Internet not MSM media. And cable is becoming more expensive and cost prohibitive to many people.

pansypoo53219

(20,972 posts)
29. hillary is being GOREd. the gerbism of teevee gnewz likes SQUIRRELS for ratings.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 01:58 PM
Sep 2016

RUMP is a ratings JACKPOT. THEY ARE THE ENEMY NOW.

red dog 1

(27,792 posts)
30. Krugman is right!
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 02:15 PM
Sep 2016

(From the Alternet article)
"Only one candidate in the (race) bilked students, stiffed workers, and from all appearances, failed to pay his share of taxes."

Also, only one candidate has had 3 different people claim that he either raped them or attempted to rape them.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1016166395#top


K&R, thanks for posting.

Cosmocat

(14,563 posts)
33. He is the republican nominee
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 04:31 PM
Sep 2016

the media has one dual set of marching orders:

1) as much as possible positively frame republicans
2) always marginalize and demean the democrat

Now, when the republican is really horrible, they have no choice but to in some way note it.

But, going back for YEARS there is always this frame to everything.

Something good happens for a D and it's "they better be careful to not over play their hand!" I mean, nearly everything is bad news for a D

Meanwhile, as they noted, this shit that Trump is doing is called "pivoting." Have you EVER fucking heard that term used for a D. Hell, they don't even have to actually do it and they get slammed for FLIP FLOPPING!

The Wizard

(12,541 posts)
35. Hillary is getting Gored
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 05:04 PM
Sep 2016

Remember what they did to Al Gore. Remember when they ran the Swiftboat ads as news. The Republican propaganda machine is shaping public opinion much in the same way Pravda, TAAS and Izvestia did in the Soviet Union.
The next time a Republican tells you how horrible Hillary Clinton is ask them where they get their information.

ffr

(22,669 posts)
45. Excellent observation.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 08:52 PM
Sep 2016

What I have found to be true for many many years. It's no longer news, it's entertainment, lead by the queen of entertainment news, Fox Entertainment.

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,988 posts)
37. Coward media scared of Trump lawsuits. He has sued them. Hillary doesn't sue.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 06:15 PM
Sep 2016

See David Cay Johnstone ( http://billmoyers.com/story/making-donald-trump-told-journalistic-nemesis/ ):

Vindictiveness is a point of pride for Trump, Johnston said. “His personal motto is ‘get revenge,’” said the reporter, who devotes an entire chapter to Trump’s speechifying and writings on the subject. Describing how Trump fired a female employee who, citing ethical qualms, wouldn’t call a banker friend on his behalf, Johnston quotes Trump’s own account from his book, Think Big:

“She ended up losing her home. Her husband, who was only in it for the money, walked out on her and I was glad… I can’t stomach disloyalty…and now [font size = "+1"]I go out of my way to make her life miserable.”[/font]

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
42. I hate them (M$M) with a flaming white-hot fury.
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 08:15 PM
Sep 2016

I don't watch any of them because I'd end up jumping off tall buildings, running through plate glass windows, and doing other things I'd regret later.

Upthevibe

(8,038 posts)
46. They need a horse race for ratings. I actually heard someone (can't remember her name or
Mon Sep 5, 2016, 09:44 PM
Sep 2016

which talking head show it was on) say that about the ratings (not that there was any doubt).

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