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"I'm not Barack Obama. I'm not Bill Clinton" (Original Post) Rose Siding Sep 2016 OP
Thanks Rose. sheshe2 Sep 2016 #1
Hillary has great mentors, both Bill and Obama will be great sources of information. Thinkingabout Sep 2016 #2
I wouldn't call them mentors, maybe advisors or allies. nt geek tragedy Sep 2016 #3
There was a time when Hillary was a mentor to the president, sort of democrattotheend Sep 2016 #4
I'm not 100% positive Clinton would have beaten Romney, especially if she had Mark Penn & Co geek tragedy Sep 2016 #5
That's a good point democrattotheend Sep 2016 #6
I love her, too, Rose. calimary Sep 2016 #7
If we don't help her to win this election and add down ballot dems ffr Sep 2016 #8
That, ladies & gentlemen GWC58 Sep 2016 #9

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
2. Hillary has great mentors, both Bill and Obama will be great sources of information.
Thu Sep 8, 2016, 06:47 PM
Sep 2016

She will be a great president.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
4. There was a time when Hillary was a mentor to the president, sort of
Thu Sep 8, 2016, 07:44 PM
Sep 2016

When he first got to the Senate he sought out her advice about how to deal with coming to the Senate with celebrity status and avoid making enemies because of it. He followed her advice for the first two years, but then obviously things changed when he decided to run for president.

But I think he will be a mentor of sorts for her now, because he has been president and can offer her advice about the experience, as can Bill.

I have to admit, even though I supported Obama over Hillary in 2008, part of me wishes now that it had turned out the other way around, mainly because then Obama would probably be our nominee now instead of being term limited.

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
5. I'm not 100% positive Clinton would have beaten Romney, especially if she had Mark Penn & Co
Thu Sep 8, 2016, 07:46 PM
Sep 2016

advising her.

Losing to Obama made her a better candidate and manager--her campaign team in 2008 really was a trainwreck.

democrattotheend

(11,605 posts)
6. That's a good point
Thu Sep 8, 2016, 08:12 PM
Sep 2016

I forgot what a train wreck her 2008 campaign was. I definitely think she is a better candidate now than she was 8 years ago. I certainly respect her a lot more now for being a good soldier after losing and then getting up and trying again than I did 8 years ago when she acted like she was inevitable. I also think she will be a better president now that she has had the experience of being Secretary of State on top of the experience she had as a senator and as first lady (unlike some 2008 Obama supporters, I never discounted the latter).

Personally, I think I would have had a harder time supporting her if she had won 8 years ago than I did this time. After the way she conducted herself after losing in 2008, I found myself hoping she would run again. I was glad when she decided to, and I considered supporting her. But when Bernie got into the race I just had to support him, not because of opposition to Hillary but because I have admired him for a long time and I wanted to help prove that someone who calls himself a socialist and raises almost all of his money from small donors could mount a serious campaign for the presidency. I feel like Bernie accomplished everything I hoped he would when I decided to support him, and it wouldn't have been so hard to move on if the voters of Michigan hadn't gotten my hopes up that he could actually win. Damn you Michigan!

calimary

(81,110 posts)
7. I love her, too, Rose.
Thu Sep 8, 2016, 09:22 PM
Sep 2016

And she's SO spot-on about this. Younger women may not fully appreciate how hard it's been to have to live with this attitude, tolerate it, rise above it, work around it, ignore it, move through it, or whatever it takes to put yourself in a better position to deal with it.

Shit, this has been going on SO damn long, since I myself was a young woman. When Barbra Streisand embarked upon a film project called "Yentl" but not as the female lead. Not as the producer or executive producer. Not as the director. But all three. MAN was shit ever thrown at her! Almost too many versions of "Who the hell does she think she is?" to count. A man could be assertive, forceful, gutsy, bold. A woman doing the same things the same way the man did them was a bitch. I was even told, in my early days of trying to find a paying job in radio just out of college in the mid-70s, that "our listeners don't like the sound of a woman's voice on the air."

There's still such a damn double standard it just makes me want to scream sometimes. An old slogan for the women's movement back then was "you've come a long way, baby." It was popularized by a new brand of cigarette designed for women. With a ring of flowers at the mouth piece and a longer, slimmer look. But I look at that packaged processed slicked-up slogan and I think - in some ways, we haven't. In some ways, we still have a looooooooooooooonnnng way to go.

ffr

(22,665 posts)
8. If we don't help her to win this election and add down ballot dems
Thu Sep 8, 2016, 09:39 PM
Sep 2016

We obviously don't deserve all the good things she could have done for us.

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