2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumFuck. There is video.
I don't care how our side tries to spin it, this is a gift to the GOP.
I know it's just a fainting episode, and people faint, but it plays right into their health BS. Need to change the subject, fast.
And hope that Trump camp overreacts in a way to create sympathy.
https://twitter.com/zgazda66/status/774993814025011200
TexasMommaWithAHat
(3,212 posts)Hillary is wearing clothing that is much too heavy to be outdoors for such a long time.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,674 posts)FDR got polio and had to use a wheelchair. Kennedy had Addison's disease. Ford fell down so often it became a SNL joke. All of these facts will be duly noted and the incident will fade away. Relax.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,674 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)citood
(550 posts)It started a whispering campaign that he really wasn't trying to get re-elected, because he was tired, etc.
Maru Kitteh
(28,339 posts)I heard nothing of the sort. Find an example, otherwise, just no.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Those other posters are selling BS.
Coventina
(27,101 posts)Sorry, I just can't help it, I'm a Simpsons fan.....
name not needed
(11,660 posts)Coventina
(27,101 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)molova
(543 posts)?
piechartking
(617 posts)And it backfires. Let's hope.
However, I think she kind of blew it by walking out of Chelsea's apartment and not answering any questions. She needs to be more accessible - if nothing happened, then why not take a few questions?
And this is why it's important for her to be even more open, now
1) Trump/Drudge/Breitbart have been laying the groundwork for this for weeks. Imagine if none of the conspiracies theories were out there. This would be nothing. Instead, this is all you're going to see for 3 days if not longer.
2) Not answering questions about it plays into the whole "She's untrustworthy and has something to hide" angle.
Maven
(10,533 posts)Have to ask. I don't put anything past those fuckers.
piechartking
(617 posts)If it was Trump's lackeys or something.
metroins
(2,550 posts)I'd take an ill Hillary over Trump but I think she might be actually sick.
emulatorloo
(44,115 posts)metroins
(2,550 posts)I'm no doctor so I'll take her word it is pneumonia.
This was worrying.
K & R !
citood
(550 posts)awake
(3,226 posts)citood
(550 posts)I Amy so glad she seems to be ok now. This will not play well though
Monk06
(7,675 posts)posts of Ding Dong the Witch is Dead and Weekend at Bernie references
Right Wingers will over play this and pay a hidden price in Nov
People don't like this kind of vicious personal attack. She needs to get the debates behind her to put this health bullshit to rest
Imperialism Inc.
(2,495 posts)citood
(550 posts)There are now 3 versions making the rounds of the net. Moot anyway - nobody in the campaign is claiming the video is fake.
bagelsforbreakfast
(1,427 posts)She appears to fall. Should have had an entourage encircling her and someone on each side. But if you've seen Trump without his business suit, he seems in worse shape. Could have a Rick Perry moment or two in the debates...
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)Regular people would leave before it came on, but she couldn't.
Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,844 posts)Stop putting that bullshit out there.
Maraya1969
(22,478 posts)BumRushDaShow
(128,844 posts)And I have also been in Cairo, Egypt where the temp was in the mid-90s with 80% humidity thanks to the damn Nile Delta AND in Abu Simbel, Egypt where the temp was 120F (thankfully only 10% humidity). I have been in Galveston, TX where the week I was there, it was mid-90s with 70% humidity every day.
I know what the hell hot and humid is. I live in Philly where it is just as hot and humid here (with 7x the population of little Orlando) .
NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)This morning when the ceremony was taking place, the dew point logged by the National Weather Service in Central Park was 72. That is considered "Very humid, quite uncomfortable". As anyone knows, the temperature is even higher in the buildings and concrete versus a thermometer in a vented white box surrounded by grass.
After the ceremony a front swept through, bringing in cooler drier air.
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)had her heat issue on the other thread...still peddling this?
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)posting false numbers
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)LeftRant
(524 posts)But pols have a tendency to cover things up if they even appear bad, so they don't get any traction.
And how can we know, unless we get more information from a doctor? This thing is going to get endless airplay and may lead to debate questions. I bet it even gets into an ad. And Fox News... jesus christ...
NewHampshiriteGuy
(95 posts)They would have taken her to the hospital!!!
I passed out at work once from low blood sugar and getting overheated because I didn't eat enough...it was 74 degrees in my office.
I'm not on my death bed!
She's running for president, not in contention for the Olympic f-ing decathlon!
duncang
(1,907 posts)And what 88 f there? Even wearing the light grade kevlar stuff I had. You get hot real fast. We would use cool packs to help our body temp.
KewlKat
(5,624 posts)Freddie
(9,259 posts)The reason she wears boxy jackets is due to a bulletproof vest. Can't exactly be cool and comfortable.
KewlKat
(5,624 posts)I guess I just never gave it much thought.
duncang
(1,907 posts)You could see some outlining from the body armor. Since she is out in a very uncontrolled area I bet she had even a higher level of body armor on. I used to have to wear a kevlar flash suite. I had a 43 cal suite and a 100 cal suite. The 43 wasn't too bad. But the 100 was a killer. You couldn't keep the 100 on very long unless it was under 50 f. Kevlar doesn't breathe. Just wearing the jacket could keep me nice and toasty warm down in to the 40's leaving it partially open. The hour and half she was walking around would be tough for anybody.
renate
(13,776 posts)This seems like a very good and important point, and I haven't seen it anywhere else.
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MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Metric System
(6,048 posts)NewHampshiriteGuy
(95 posts)So if by "we" you mean the Trump campaign, then yes...I agree with you...he has lost the election.
So tired of these concern trolls!!!
maryellen99
(3,788 posts)grossproffit
(5,591 posts)Joe the Revelator
(14,915 posts)poorly.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)RonniePudding
(889 posts)Leave the fight in the hands of the non-panicked adults who have clean drawers in a crisis.
LeftRant
(524 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)nominee. That's the reality. Like it or not
Maven
(10,533 posts)Democat
(11,617 posts)You should change your post title to show less concern.
It's not a great day for the Clinton campaign, but Trump is behind in every poll.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,674 posts)I hope that was sarcasm.
awake
(3,226 posts)This is not good and there is no way to spin it. We need to change the story quick.
I am now afraid not just set for my country but for the planet, too many people feel that Trump can not win so they are not going to vote. The Media sees the next two months as a chance to cash in not to help elect the next president, if today's media was around at the time of FDR we would not of had him as President and therefore no Social Security.
This is a very big problem!
maryellen99
(3,788 posts)Of a heart attack and Stroke plus who is mentally unstable-got it! Good Grief.
Excellent response.
awake
(3,226 posts)This unfortunately will play right into Trumps message that he has been pushing.
awake
(3,226 posts)And too many other Americans will stay home not believing he could get elected. Like it or not the Media see the Clitons as a chance to make themselves a buck. Trump is so flawed but he is being given as free pass the press wants a horse race.
This is the worst new we could get today. Please do not fool your self this is a real "hiar on fire moment". Can we recover yes but we need to understand how bad this looks and it will hurt. I pray that Hillary is ok but she now needs a full court press to change the story fast! What ever dirt we have been holding about Trump need to come out now!
maryellen99
(3,788 posts)And that could have contributed to her overheating.
awake
(3,226 posts)Kathy M
(1,242 posts)floppyboo
(2,461 posts)It will back fire
awake
(3,226 posts)Her staff should have been doing a better job giving her water or better yet gater aid.
XemaSab
(60,212 posts)It's the elixir of life.
Rehydrates like Gatorade without all the sugar.
awake
(3,226 posts)XemaSab
(60,212 posts)Some brands are nasty.
RonniePudding
(889 posts)awake
(3,226 posts)And Fourty more years of a Republican Supreme Court
George II
(67,782 posts)CrawlingChaos
(1,893 posts)If the news media were doing it's job...
elehhhhna
(32,076 posts)And of course it is terrible to have a positive result on a medical test...
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)Please, get a grip on yourself will you. Find the planet Earth. She had heat exhaustion. It happens to EVERYONE.
awake
(3,226 posts)While I do not think she has a health problem we do have a media problem and this will not play well. Time will tell but we do need to change the story fast.
RonniePudding
(889 posts)If you're going to dissolve into a quivering pile of panicked goo at the first sign of trouble, at least be accurate historically.
awake
(3,226 posts)Do not fool yourself into thinking that this is not a problem. Pointing out what we need to be ready for is not the same as quivering in the corner in a pile of goo.
NHDEMFORLIFE
(489 posts)It will be a front-burner story for a couple of days, Trump and his thugs will hammer away to the point of over-kill, and it will fade away.
The handful of people who are truly undecided will not base their vote on this.
ram2008
(1,238 posts)It is a stark reminder that people we view as powerful are humans just like us as well.
To see Hillary in a vulnerable state like that may remind people that she's just like us-- it is humanizing, albeit, I am a bit worried about her health now.
B2G
(9,766 posts)she needs to get checked out and release a medical evaluation report today. It's undeniable it could be a number of things, and none of us are doctors. Neither is she or her security detail.
It could be something else.
piechartking
(617 posts)If we're nearing 70, or 69 whatever age she is.
And whatever those results are need to be shared with the country. That has to happen to put the people at ease, and also to dispel some of this crap about her being "untrustworthy" and hiding stuff.
awake
(3,226 posts)If we do not see her soon the Repugs will beat us up with this.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Im feeling great, Mrs. Clinton said. Its a beautiful day in New York.
awake
(3,226 posts)The press will be sure to cover her if she does time to turn a lemon into lemonade
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)awake
(3,226 posts)The press did not show that before
Johnny2X2X
(19,038 posts)She was wobbly, but to say she fainted is not what is shown.
B2G
(9,766 posts)Let's not kid ourselves.
She needs to be seen by a doctor, stat.
FXSTD
(25 posts)I'm sure she is, but if that was my mom, I'd have taken her straight to the hospital to be sure. It's not like she hasn't had issues to deal with in the past.
awake
(3,226 posts)This looked bad. I was shocked by how it looked, we need to realize how this is going to used against her and be ready.
nashville_brook
(20,958 posts)kind of seizure-like, but as if her body was "seizing."
that kind of thing could be the result of medication, even as a heat-induced event.
BlueInPhilly
(870 posts)Enough drama!
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)Seriously...not important.
awake
(3,226 posts)please take a look. I a very very happy Hillary was back on the street looking well but this video will be used against her.
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)Now how about dropping the GOP talking point...she is too ill to be president posts? She is the nominee and such posts only harm our nominee.
awake
(3,226 posts)Knowing what the GOP is going to throw at us is not pushing their talking points and I have never said that "she is too ill to be president". My concern is first for Hillary's health and then that her staff is not fucking up by not making sure she is taken care of. I think this is an opening to help her get beyond the "something to hide" bull shit, I just hope that her advisers do not stone wall the press
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)awake
(3,226 posts)But as they say keep your friends close and your enemies closer
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)It doesn't mean, it is a good idea.
awake
(3,226 posts)Hillary has a choice she is "nice to them" i.e. grants access) or not, if not they will make a issue bigger than it is. Notice how much better her coverage got once they were on her plane. Most of the press is lazy when she takes a bit of time to talk to them she can set the agenda when she is silent the press will set the agenda.
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)She needs to stay away from them really. Look how they attacked her for being ill.
awake
(3,226 posts)That way her press coverage will improve- NOT
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)Kathy M
(1,242 posts)which she most likely was .
sarae
(3,284 posts)I get hot just looking at people in long sleeves in this weather.
DesertRat
(27,995 posts)No worries, she's fine.
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/774999149515313156
Kathy M
(1,242 posts)awake
(3,226 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)DesertRat
(27,995 posts)AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)That tinfoil hat is on so tight, it cut off the circulation to their brain.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)maryellen99
(3,788 posts)Someone posted on Daily Kos that Hillary should be replaced with Joe Biden.
piechartking
(617 posts)"Hillary is not John Kerry. Trump is....Trump.
Hillary is not John Kerry. Trump is....Trump.
Hillary is not...."
emulatorloo
(44,115 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)and Kaine, even if she's on life support.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)MFM008
(19,805 posts).....
Paladin
(28,252 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)QUOTE FROM CNN
"At about 11:40 a.m., Mrs. Clinton, wearing sunglasses, emerged from the apartment in New Yorks Flatiron district. She waved to onlookers and posed for pictures with a little girl on the sidewalk.
Im feeling great, Mrs. Clinton said. Its a beautiful day in New York.
awake
(3,226 posts)It has been reported that as she fell into the van she lost a shoe latter recovered. This could become a problem, I hope she talks to firefighters or the police about the hard work they did and that way get the story back to the heroes of 9/11 and off of her health
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)awake
(3,226 posts)My concern is that the right wing nuts will beat this to death.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)The Republicans beat everything to death and beyond. Fuck what the Republicans say, that 'Party' has no credibility anymore.
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)How about you link to the video you saw? Nothing we can do about what right wing nuts do.
awake
(3,226 posts)Divine Discontent
(21,056 posts)as we saw, she left Chelsea's under her own power, looked firm and in control and even allowed a girl to come take a photo. Nonetheless. I think she wanted to get out of there asap. We can't deny what that 5 seconds of video will do for their campaign to paint that she's oh so sick. F*CK I'd vote for her in an Iron Lung over Drumf! However, she's not that bad, and most likely was just heat exhausted wearing that bulky clothing, not drinking coconut water, or wearing a hat in that city heat and humidity. The sharp reactions some give you and anyone who rationalizes what they saw is standard for boards. Just shake it off politely. Point being, this was a scary moment as she stepped, after head wobbling a couple times, into the the SUV, and thank God she came out of the apartment just a couple hours (right?) later just fine, and looked fine, and sounded fine! I would release a medical report tomorrow, and hopefully they will.
golfguru
(4,987 posts)She did not even have a coughing fit today.
awake
(3,226 posts)her staff should have know that she was ill and made sure she had water and electrolytes, I am gald she is getting well needed rest and is felling better
musicblind
(4,484 posts)Sit back and realize that the OP is not expressing concern that Hillary is dying, he is expressing concern about the way the media will seize on this video and run with it.
Matt Lauer's BS "forum" is all the proof we need that the media is not on the side of reality.
If we are complacent, then their attacks will take us by surprise. I see no harm in expressing concern over this video. You KNOW it is going to be distorted like a National Enquirer headline.
piechartking
(617 posts)To act like this will be nothing is to assume that the nurturing universe we occupy here in Democratic Underground represents the voting population at large.
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)plus maybe having low blood sugar from not eating enough this morning/not having gotten enough sleep last night/being a bit dehydrated are all perfectly reasonable explanations for a basically healthy person experiencing a morning fainting episode, as appears to be on the video.
The difficulty in this particular case is that Hillary has that history of serious blood clots, is on Coumadin (blood thinner), and also has that history of a serious faint in the past. So it might not be that she just had a simple faint for the common reasons basically healthy people faint.
Until she's had a chance to be examined by a competent medical professional, she isn't really in a position to know what the cause(s) of the episode were and what they imply.
On the other hand, if she and the campaign just try to act as if nothing happened, they will just be making things easier for Trump.
With only single digits separating them in swing state polls, she can't really afford to do anything that plays to an advantage for Trump.
Rex
(65,616 posts)SO they go for something easy, people faint. It happens. Fuck the GOP we will not play into their pathetic hands.
awake
(3,226 posts)Did you view the video yet?
Rex
(65,616 posts)Until then, no. The video lol...so what. She fainted. Next.
awake
(3,226 posts)I suggest you watch the video because it is what will be used against Hillary, it does not look good a bit scary if I do say so. The problem is her staff should have been more on top making sure she had water and that she was taken care of.
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)Marthe48
(16,935 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)backscatter712
(26,355 posts)RonniePudding
(889 posts)I'd guess your washing machine is working overtime today given from the shrieking terror and panic that emanates from your OP.
awake
(3,226 posts)Than with somebody who wants to put their head in the sand and not be aware of what is going down. The press has propped up Trump and wants a close race to make a buck it only takes a unforeseen event and we could be screwed. The OP is important so we are aware of what will be coming at us this week.
RonniePudding
(889 posts)Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)awake
(3,226 posts)Knowing what will be coming at us will help us be prepared to respond
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)If it had been dehydration...it happens...but as it turns out it is an illness.
DFW
(54,342 posts)If it's 95° and sunny out, I'd be asking to sit down. I'm no martyr.
doc03
(35,325 posts)health issues thing. That is all we will see this week with questions about her health. It's going to be a bad week.
Just sayen the media is going to be on this like flies on shiite.
BlueInPhilly
(870 posts)Is the number of news outlets asking permission to broadcast the video. Fuckers!
Posting it without confirmation and passing it on as news.
vadermike
(1,415 posts)Can try to overplay their hand on this won't help them I think Hillarys campaign may do a presser which would be good but cmon so now trump wins because of this even I don't think that
piechartking
(617 posts)Hiding at home just contributes to the narrative that she's "untrustworthy" and "hiding something".
If there's nothing there, then get out there and talk to folks. Maybe she feels like 9/11 shouldn't be about politics, ok I get that.
Tomorrow do something. Sign up for a 5K, do some jumping jacks, just do something!
awake
(3,226 posts)She would get press coverage and could speak to the importance of this day.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)The second video, posted in this thread, is much more revealing. In the first one, I thought she was getting out of the car.
https://mobile.twitter.com/oooobear/status/775002396514803713/video/1
awake
(3,226 posts)The other "health issue" videos the GOP has pushed are clearly bull shit but this event will not look good, Hillary is clearly not doing well in thee video clips. If you are not able to see that maybe you want to look again, we need to be ready for more "Health" talk this week.
Kansaskid
(17 posts)When she met with the press last week following her national security round table, I noticed that she looked very flushed. When the camera shot was from the side, she looked worse. They moved to a frontal shot, and she looked better. I thought that it might be the camera angle. I noticed this because of the attention being paid to her health. I support her and am concerned about the impact of this on the election.
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NutmegYankee
(16,199 posts)world wide wally
(21,740 posts)Now I have no choice but to vote for the loudmouth, obnoxious, racist cocksplat with half a brain cell.
Damn.
Sarcasm (for the synapsicaly impaired)
TheDormouse
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NWCorona
(8,541 posts)TheDormouse
(1,168 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)Those who plan to vote for Hillary will be unaffected...and those who would care were never voting for her anyway... a hot humid day...big deal. After a bit of Gatorade she was fine.
DawgHouse
(4,019 posts)Clinton supporters are intelligent enough to know this is a minor episode. Good grief.
smorkingapple
(827 posts)This is why this shit matters. Look at all the threads being pulled now!!!
http://cnn.it/2cF3rHW
concern noted.
concern over concern noted.
Now what did that accomplish?
DonCoquixote
(13,616 posts)That a mushy middle with no spine often become the deciding vote, and they are swayed by this.
LeftRant
(524 posts)But this is why the conspiracy theories are so damaging. If something you've been ranting about seems to get a shred of credibility, you suddenly seem like you were right all along.
And changing the subject isn't the answer. We're going to need more information from a doctor. There's no way she didn't see one, apartment or not.
And they must have tied Trump to a chair to keep him from tweeting about this so far :p
BainsBane
(53,031 posts)She felt unwell. She has been working extremely hard. She's a human being, not a robot.
erpowers
(9,350 posts)This is bad for Hillary Clinton, but I blame her campaign team. Clinton looked to be in bad shape. None of them thought to either find a quiet place at the 9/11 memorial and let her sit down while someone else went to get her some Gatorade, or some other energy drink. Also, nobody thought to try to find a place where there were no cameras, or video cameras to bring the van to pick her up. What were they thinking.
radius777
(3,635 posts)All of this could've been avoided if her campaign team managed this properly.
Her campaign team is terrible, imo, strategy wise also, too wimpy and laid-back, which is historically how Dems lose, by allowing the right and the media to control the narrative.
Bill Clinton and Obama won because they had a campaign team that was smart, but also tough and relentless.
Hillary's team (Mook, Podesta, Palmieri, Fallon) are overly polished and laid back, and imo, clueless in thinking that a conventional 'contrast of ideas' will work against the fascist clown and his army of deplorables, who know how to control the media.
erpowers
(9,350 posts)They could really be hitting Donald Trump hard.
nruthie
(466 posts)It looks terrible, frankly. This is a fact.
BlueMTexpat
(15,366 posts)BlueStateLib
(937 posts)Its not like she barfed into someone lap and ended up unconscious on the floor or fell of the stage
Demsrule86
(68,552 posts)she was able to keep such a tough schedule with such a debilitating illness...she must be made of iron.
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okasha
(11,573 posts)Watch the damn video. If Hillary "fainted," so did the Secret Service guys helping her into the van. They were going down steps; the one on her right obviously came up the steps to help her.
Get a grip.
still_one
(92,136 posts)rest, and back on the campaign trail in no time, and be the next President
betsuni
(25,464 posts)were obsessing about "a mysterious piece of metal" that supposedly flew out of Clinton's pants when she was getting into the van. Naturally, this confirms she's a jellyfish because of all her serious illnesses and must wear a full-body brace. This from people who worship FDR. I was trying to understand the point of the big conspiracy, and it turns out they think Clinton is covering up being on death's door because she wants to be in the history books, wants to "die in office and be immortalized like JFK." Oh, come on, that's it? Needs work.
Puzzledtraveller
(5,937 posts)Perception is everything in politics.