I am convinced that Ohio was stolen from Kerry in 2004
I say that because of how confident Rove and the Romney camp felt on election night even though the polls were saying something else. Like they knew that the OH Sec of State was going to deliver the victory as another Republican Sec of State did in 2004 despite the polls. And when all the networks called OH for Obama they were shocked and that is why Rove went on his rant and Romney waited to concede. They were shocked because it worked in 2004 and they thought they were going to get away with it again.
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Hear me out on this because it's kind of funny, or would be a form of poetic justice in a twisted way if it was to happen. Anyway I was once again pondering the inability of 'us' to look inside these voting machine's and their 'tabulators' because of their legal justification as 'proprietary software'. The manufactures of these machines, have 'legally' gone about thwarting our open democracy by claiming some right of the need to keep their 'innards' secret. It would be an 'infringement' on their corporate rights, profits, copyright protection, or what have you if the American public was to inspect the source codes in these things. 
At least that's the way they've gone about legally keeping us from inspecting these damn machines for years and I don't see that changing in the near future.
On the other hand our government now has the ability to spy on us, the American public in regards to the erosion of our 'rights' we as everyday citizens have lost over the last 12 years since 911. In the name of 'National Security' our cell phones can be monitored, e mails, texts, computer communications etc... etc... our privacy is basically gone. All of the above is one of the obvious paradox examples that corporate rights now officially trump citizens rights.
But then I got to thinking as Romney is known to say "Corporations are people my friend" ha here comes my epiphany ...
Soooo what if the Justice Dept. or the National Security Powers that be (now under the direction of the Obama administration) happened to turn these 'spying' tactics on this corporate electronic election system this past Nov 6th? Call it what you will, if someone were suspected of trying to subvert our democracy by manipulating the vote, wouldn't that be a National Security issue?
I believe President Obama is a really good man, with a very sharp team around him, they aren't stupid. I also believe that in 2004 President Bush and his cronies were crooks, but the federal government was in his hands then. So any possible corruption that may or may not have happened back then as it pertained to these electronic voting machines, tabulators and such, well we just couldn't do anything about it.
I remember reading that John Kerry of all people flew to Ohio right after the news came out about Husted's 39 county 'experimental' computer patches being installed, on Friday Nov 2nd just past. Hmmmm, and then Romney decides to fly to Cleveland Ohio on election day to be followed immediately by Joe Biden (unannounced) 20 minutes later both planes parked on the same tarmack. I took Biden's trip as a message to the Romney campaign as a possible 'we are watching you' moment, so 'don't even try it'.
Well anyway this could all be nothing but would sure be a great movie plot for Tom Cruise in his next Mission Impossible !!! LOL was fun thinking about while getting my yard work done earlier 
... ha! All the best.
Fuck you Rove. We thwarted your election stealing plan and now you are political toast. 
That came out the day after the election. He said Kerry really won Ohio and New Mexico, which would have given him the election. 
Kerry won. Here are the facts.
http://www.tompaine.com/articles/kerry_won_.php
mostly Democratic, were prevented from casting their ballots or didn't have their votes counted in Ohio. From his 2006 Rolling Stone article:
Notice that this includes 66,000 votes destroyed by faulty equipment, namely reliably unreliable punch-card machines:
In addition to problems with electronic machines, Ohio's vote was skewed by old-fashioned punch-card equipment that posed what even Blackwell acknowledged was the risk of a ''Florida-like calamity.' '(170) All but twenty of the state's counties relied on antiquated machines that were virtually guaranteed to destroy votes (171) -- many of which were counted by automatic tabulators manufactured by Triad Governmental Systems, (172) the same company that supplied Florida's notorious butterfly ballot in 2000. In fact, some 95,000 ballots in Ohio recorded no vote for president at all -- most of them on punch-card machines. Even accounting for the tiny fraction of voters in each election who decide not to cast votes for president -- generally in the range of half a percent, according to Ohio State law professor and respected elections scholar Dan Tokaji -- that would mean that at least 66,000 votes were invalidated by faulty voting equipment. (173) If counted by hand instead of by automated tabulator, the vast majority of these votes would have been discernable. But thanks to a corrupt recount process, only one county hand-counted its ballots.(174)
RFK Jr.'s conclusion: if those votes had been counted, Kerry would have won the presidency by 1,600 votes. Other estimates (Richard Charnin's for example) are higher.
-- "Was the 2004 Election Stolen?," by Robert F. Kennedy Jr., Published on Thursday, June 1, 2006 by Rolling Stone magazine, link: http://www.commondreams.org/views06/0601-34.htm
